Trucks.

**The Tortoise** · 12-23-2016, 11:51 AM

One thing I like about the Tundra is that the crew cab isn't a large as the F-150. It's basically a slightly larger extended cab without the suicide doors.

**Bunion 2020** · 12-23-2016, 11:53 AM

Truck shopping for a new vehicle has been a PITA.

I wanted a Mid-sized Extended cab, V6, 4wd with a manual 5 or 6 speed. AFAICT there isn't one made.

Bueller?

**klauss** · 12-23-2016, 11:58 AM

I have a sequoia with the 5.7. Obviously a few differences to the tundra, notably the rear suspension and wheelbase, making the tundra a better tow vehicle. That said, I tow around 6000k often enough and it really sucks gas down compared to folks I talk to with the newer F150s across the motor options. It has enough power at least.

I really like it though. I would likely go f150 over the Tundra if it were me, but it would be a close call between those two for me.

**Supermoon** · 12-23-2016, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by The Tortoise

One thing I like about the Tundra is that the crew cab isn't a large as the F-150. It's basically a slightly larger extended cab without the suicide doors.

we have a 2016 Tundra Crew Cab, and the back seat actually has more leg room than the front. It doesn't feel like it's really that much longer than my old 2001 Tundra Extended Cab when I'm driving it, but it's definitely harder to park (we don't really off-road it too much, but I imagine the extra length and width would be a factor there, too). It's hands down the most comfortable ride of any car or truck I've ever owned on top of the towing and hauling performance it has.

ETA: we looked at F150s when we were buying it, and they were actually more expensive for similar specs and don't seem to hold their value as well as the Tundras do here in Oregon. A 2 year old Certified Tundra was only about 2-3k less than we got ours for new. Throw in the Toyota Care that takes care of maintenance for 3 years and I feel like it was a much better value than a Ford would have been.

**XXX-er** · 12-23-2016, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Big Steve

Helpful responses so far. Thanks. FTR most I'll haul is my FWC Hawk @ 1200 lbs. wet and loaded (other than an occasional short run)e.

I was towing a 1400 lb boler with my Ranger and it was fack all, the highway mpg went from 25 to 18 but even the old Ranger (Old tech) handled it all fine

**GeezerSteve** · 12-23-2016, 01:08 PM

The local dealer just got in a 2016 5.0L F150 from another dealer. Sales mgr says I can get if at invoice minus $5700 of rebates, which indeed puts it a few Ks below Tundra pricing for equivalent truck, and within our budget. I'm heading over there in a few.

**BmillsSkier** · 12-23-2016, 01:24 PM

You should look at Silverados/GMC No shortage of articles on Jalopnik and the like about how bad GM is looking to dump inventory and are giving away tens of thousands off msrp/invoice.

**GeezerSteve** · 12-23-2016, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

You should look at Silverados/GMC No shortage of articles on Jalopnik and the like about how bad GM is looking to dump inventory and are giving away tens of thousands off msrp/invoice.

There's reason for that. As I said above, AFM spooks the hell out of me, especially because we plan this as a 10 year/150K mile purchase. AFAICT, AFM is a fundamental engineering fuckup and has caused GM to lose lots of previously loyal customers. Google >AFM engine problems< and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Off to the local Ford dealership.

**iceman** · 12-23-2016, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by bunion

Truck shopping for a new vehicle has been a PITA.

I wanted a Mid-sized Extended cab, V6, 4wd with a manual 5 or 6 speed. AFAICT there isn't one made.

Bueller?

tacoma if you call it mid-sized http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...al-test-review

Also Nissan Frontier, according to the article.

**PNWbrit** · 12-23-2016, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by iceman

tacoma if you call it mid-sized http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...al-test-review

Only double cabs.

**snoqpass** · 12-23-2016, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by iceman

tacoma if you call it mid-sized http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...al-test-review

Also Nissan Frontier, according to the article.

It's almost impossible to find one with a stick, I tried two years ago and there was maybe one in the state and it was red, got an auto for the first time ever and ain't going back

**iceman** · 12-23-2016, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Only double cabs.

Not completely true. The TRD Sport is available with "Access Cab", V6 and manual, I just went though the build tool on their site. As snoqpass said just above it's probably hard to find one.

jgb@etree · 12-23-2016, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by bunion

Truck shopping for a new vehicle has been a PITA.

I wanted a Mid-sized Extended cab, V6, 4wd with a manual 5 or 6 speed. AFAICT there isn't one made.

Bueller?

Nissan Frontier Pro 4X?

**frorider** · 12-23-2016, 09:32 PM

Steve, I also stayed clear of the GM cylinder deactivation issue when I was truck shopping last year. Fwiw there are aftermarket Ecu tunes that turn off the afm 'feature'.

What's more concerning, statistically, is the chevy shake driveline issue.

**Mazderati** · 12-23-2016, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by frorider

What's more concerning, statistically, is the chevy shake driveline issue.

I've seen driveline vibrations mentioned for the 2500 and 2500 trucks. Does the issue run into the 1500 as well?

**Sirshredalot** · 12-23-2016, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by bunion

Truck shopping for a new vehicle has been a PITA.

I wanted a Mid-sized Extended cab, V6, 4wd with a manual 5 or 6 speed. AFAICT there isn't one made.

Bueller?

Doesn't the current-gen Colorado tick those boxes or are you hunting for something larger when you say mid-sized?

**Bunion 2020** · 12-24-2016, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by iceman

Not completely true. The TRD Sport is available with "Access Cab", V6 and manual, I just went though the build tool on their site. As snoqpass said just above it's probably hard to find one.

According to Nissan, 2wd only.

The Colorado is available in manual for the Diesel, not gasoline. I am considering that route.

**Bobby Stainless** · 12-24-2016, 06:18 AM

I would do the diesel Colorado anyhow.

I've got a 12 PRO4X Titan with 62k miles, I am ready to let go of.

**t-the-east** · 12-24-2016, 07:36 AM

I'll throw in my vote for a tundra. After years and years of having f-150s (had 5 at one point for my landscape biz) seemed like I had one in the shop at all times. They weren't old pieces of shit either, relatively new, all under 80k miles. Something was always wrong, front end parts wear out constantly, u-joints, brakes, those damn coil packs, exhaust issues, you name it. Of course, I was using them for work trucks, and they did have lots of different people driving them, but still, they are not the most reliable.
After having friends with Tacomas and Tundras that seemingly NEVER had a problem and were never in the shop, I went for a Tundra, could not be happier. Smoother, more comfortable ride. When comparing prices the Tundra and F150 were very similar, on top of that the dealership threw in a 3 year 36k bumper to bumper warranty and 2 years of oil changes, on a used 3 year old vehicle.

I've never had a red truck though. I've heard they are the best.

Good luck in whatever you purchase!

**bagtagley** · 12-24-2016, 07:59 AM

For reliability/longevity I'd get the Tundra, but the F150 will have the better payload. The service manager doesn't give a shit if you bought from them, so not a whole lot of point buying local, Steve. Why not email every dealer within 100+ miles? I was seeing as high as 22% off MSRP when I was shopping Ford. Somewhere in the neighborhood of $9-10K off invoice?

You have a Hawk shell? 1200 lbs sounds...optimistic.

**Bobby Stainless** · 12-24-2016, 08:01 AM

With the way these are falling, I'll probably end up in one. This color.

obligatory.

**XXX-er** · 12-24-2016, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by frorider

Steve, I also stayed clear of the GM cylinder deactivation issue when I was truck shopping last year. Fwiw there are aftermarket Ecu tunes that turn off the afm 'feature'.

What's more concerning, statistically, is the chevy shake driveline issue.

I wondered about the AFM?

The neighbor has bought a couple of the new GM's and he sez the mileage is amazing

After a big raise and an inheritance I was lusting after a new truck but then I realized I don't need a new truck, if I did need a full sized truck it would be a close race between tundra and f-150 with probably the tundra winning out

**GeezerSteve** · 12-24-2016, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by t-the-east

those damn coil packs

Common problem with the Triton engines (although cheap to fix), but haven't heard about coil pack problems with the 5.0L Coyote.

Originally Posted by bagtagley

You have a Hawk shell? 1200 lbs sounds...optimistic.

FWC spec is 1075 dry weight.

Per Fuelly and other sources Al alloy body F150 5.0L gets 3-4 better MPG than Tundra.

**basinbeater** · 12-25-2016, 12:02 AM

Why you would buy any type of truck (except for the big diesel boys) other than a Toyota, is crazy to me. I've had 3 Toyota 4runners (truck hardware in suv form) in a row, ad sold each at about 190k miles, and never had a problem with any of them. And I beat on them. My current Toyota Land Cruiser has 160k on it. And I beat on it.
Keep buying those ford's and chevies, and when you decide to get the best, (and longest lasting)... You know what to buy.