Trucks.

[XXX-er]

Ranger is pretty small & low tech its ok but after 5 years it's time to consider either spending some money for all the shit that happens due to regular wear n tear or upgrading but I haven't completely decided either way

[frorider]

Got money burning a hole in my pocket

Have you considered sponsoring DD? For just $37/day -- the price of a fast food meal in Canuckistan -- you'll help him upgrade his Sonata with chrome wiper blades from Pep Boys, pay off his petty crime fines, and pay back that money his mom loaned him for the Japanese robot girlfriend.

[Bobby Stainless]

Huh. I personally like having a truck that does what I want, is paid for, and doesn't cost me any money to keep on the road.

Different strokes I guess.

Good thing for me, the majority of Americans aren't like you.

[Skidog]

Yeah well I am more of a minimalist not towing boats maybe a boiler so probably look at the 4.6 . The price isn't that far from the Tacoma wondering what the mpg difference is, there is a little more size to deal with, probably would get the one with the smaller back doors

might be time to turn over the ranger before I need to spend money on it, spent zero in 5years

Got money burning a hole in my pocket

Mpg diff is negligible when comparing size and power. The v8 is strong and with the older models you can get a true 4 doors and a 6'5" bed. It is fucking big though.

[ncskier]

925 lbft of torque in the new Ford Super Duty lineup. Damn...

http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/the-20...orq-1784091297

hell yeah. I have a 2017 superduty lariat ultimate on order since August. Just about every option box checked. Its a tank and luxury all at the same time. I have been jonesing for a 6.7 powerstroke for a while.
As for the vaunted relability of FCA my 2015 Jeep Wrangler 4 door would be proof. Its been at the dealership for the past 23 days due to a weird vibration that so far has had the following done.
New Transmission mounts
New engine mounts
New body bolts and sleeves
New Torque convertor
New harmonic crankshaft balancer
New exhaust hangers
Now they used a fancy device to measure the sound makes your ears and chest want to explode at idle. For the record it has 8000 very gentle miles on it. By law I could force FCA to buy it back, however, I just want it to work. Sucks because its paid for and I cant use it. The weather this month is perfect for jeep weather. yeah i know first world problems.

[Vt-Freeheel]

O-boy, Benny will flip when he notices you are buying a 70k truck.

Should be awesome, I borrowed a friends 17 King Ranch for an afternoon and it was pretty impressive.

[TNKen]

FYI, GM has year end discounting available on some of its vehicles up to 20%.

I hated this truck ever since it came home. It was a 2013 GMC Denali HD2500 pickup with its 6.0L gas engine. Would pass everything but a gas station. Around town or highway of 11-12 mpg. Had a 4:10 gear in it. And it rode like a sled with no suspension.

This past spring, I dragged the squirt boat down to Nashvegas for a striper trip. About 5 hours of driving. Even in tow mode, it strained the entire way, and managed a whopping 6.99 mpg average. Boat weighs probably 4,600 pounds.

Last fall the NASCAR race had been in town. Chevrolet sponsors the local track, and they always order a bunch of display trucks and trucks to haul the drivers around for the pre-race ceremonies. I drive by the local dealership every day to work. Last year fall race used full sized Silverado's for the show, and there were four diesels sitting on the lot. I watched them, thinking I should stop and check one out, but never did.

This spring's race produced more trucks and, I stopped. Black, four door 2500 High Country with the 6.6L diesel engine. 397 horsepower, 765 foot pounds of torque, six speed transmission, engine brake. It followed me home.

Around town, I'm getting about 15mpg, highway about 24mpg. My best average, which was coming home from our little ski hill and several segments of long downgrade has been 31.3 for a 25 mile average. Pulls the boat like it wasn't there and still gets about 13mpg. Tons of power and pulls great. Ride could be a little better, but not bad for a 2500 and much better than the GMC for some reason, probably the extra weight of the diesel.

http://bestride.com/reviews/new-car-...duramax-diesel

[XXX-er]

Mpg diff is negligible when comparing size and power. The v8 is strong and with the older models you can get a true 4 doors and a 6'5" bed. It is fucking big though.

Yeah the guy who's tundra I'm driving is a contractor down in Truckee, SEZ the smaller 4.6 is easier on fuel & he has never got < 15mpg US, I don't drive much and a bigger truck in the small town shouldn't be a problem

More room might be nice

[ncskier]

FYI, GM has year end discounting available on some of its vehicles up to 20%.

I hated this truck ever since it came home. It was a 2013 GMC Denali HD2500 pickup with its 6.0L gas engine. Would pass everything but a gas station. Around town or highway of 11-12 mpg. Had a 4:10 gear in it. And it rode like a sled with no suspension.

This past spring, I dragged the squirt boat down to Nashvegas for a striper trip. About 5 hours of driving. Even in tow mode, it strained the entire way, and managed a whopping 6.99 mpg average. Boat weighs probably 4,600 pounds.

Last fall the NASCAR race had been in town. Chevrolet sponsors the local track, and they always order a bunch of display trucks and trucks to haul the drivers around for the pre-race ceremonies. I drive by the local dealership every day to work. Last year fall race used full sized Silverado's for the show, and there were four diesels sitting on the lot. I watched them, thinking I should stop and check one out, but never did.

This spring's race produced more trucks and, I stopped. Black, four door 2500 High Country with the 6.6L diesel engine. 397 horsepower, 765 foot pounds of torque, six speed transmission, engine brake. It followed me home.

Around town, I'm getting about 15mpg, highway about 24mpg. My best average, which was coming home from our little ski hill and several segments of long downgrade has been 31.3 for a 25 mile average. Pulls the boat like it wasn't there and still gets about 13mpg. Tons of power and pulls great. Ride could be a little better, but not bad for a 2500 and much better than the GMC for some reason, probably the extra weight of the diesel.

http://bestride.com/reviews/new-car-...duramax-diesel

very nice. I considered the 6.2 gas for about 2 seconds on the 17 Super duty but then remembered "buy once cry once". Buddy had one in a raptor that weighs 2000lbs less and was lucky to crack 13mpg. I figured I would be pissed saving the 7 grand on diesel. To be honest on my plan it was about $5500. I considered the GMC denali 2500HD with duramax however the rear seats were way smaller then the Fords new cab and the lack of rear AC vents was a deal breaker. A sweaty test drive with my two growing sons in Mid-July sealed the deal.
Oh and Benny can go Ef himself. I buy what I can afford, Period. The fact that I can throw down 70k for a truck will have no material bearing on my lifestyle or target retirement dates.

[Sirshredalot]

very nice. I considered the 6.2 gas for about 2 seconds on the 17 Super duty but then remembered "buy once cry once". Buddy had one in a raptor that weighs 2000lbs less and was lucky to crack 13mpg. I figured I would be pissed saving the 7 grand on diesel. To be honest on my plan it was about $5500. I considered the GMC denali 2500HD with duramax however the rear seats were way smaller then the Fords new cab and the lack of rear AC vents was a deal breaker. A sweaty test drive with my two growing sons in Mid-July sealed the deal.
Oh and Benny can go Ef himself. I buy what I can afford, Period. The fact that I can throw down 70k for a truck will have no material bearing on my lifestyle or target retirement dates.

FV of 70k after 30 years at a real 5 percent is $302,536. If that doesn't make a big difference in your retirement plans, you could probably examine your annual run rate and think about what is important and whether you want to retire much sooner. If I could realize annual savings > 70k, I would be retired by 40.

[Skidog]

Yeah the guy who's tundra I'm driving is a contractor down in Truckee, SEZ the smaller 4.6 is easier on fuel & he has never got < 15mpg US, I don't drive much and a bigger truck in the small town shouldn't be a problem

More room might be nice

I do mostly city driving now since I work from home. I get 14-15mpg, 18mpg highway.

The extra room is nice.

[funkendrenchman]

Real or photo shopped?

Thinking of the Tacoma but then driving a couple of tundra's this week on fishn shuttles and I'm thinking why not the bigger truck with a real steel box that I could maybe throw a minimal camper on ?

Yeah you take a milage hit but I don't drive much anyhow

If you're thinking of buying new, I would avoid the new automatic Tacomas. I have a manual and really like it, but the auto's shifting is all of over the place. There are 100 threads about it on Tacomaworld. Also, the couple people I know with the auto hate the transmission.

The Tundra's cab is a lot more comfortable and it definitely has more power.

[bagtagley]

I have a '17 Tacoma. The auto is a little annoying at first, but gets much better as it "learns". Hitting the ECT power button eliminates all annoyingness, as does the manual shift mode. It's like most new cars I've driven, where everything is programmed for fuel economy. My wife's Odyssey is the same. With the truck, it was a bit excessive for the first 500 or so miles, but like I said, it's gotten much better as it learns the terrain and my driving habits. I'd rather have a manual, but nobody had one, and the wife can't drive stick, so auto it is. There's nothing about it that would prevent me from buying one again. My suggestion would be to avoid any forums if you're looking to buy new. Toyota, Chevy, Ford, and Nissan forums are all packed with "don't buy" threads.

I've spent the past few months testing the "might as well go full-size" argument. I think it has some merit, but is really dependent on what you're using the truck for, and what you want out of it. Personally, I don't think mid-size trucks are as similar to full-size as the internet says. I've driven a ton of trucks recently, and decided that a full-size was more truck than I need. The four door long bed Tacoma is a long truck, no doubt, but it's still a much smaller vehicle than a comparable full-size. Mileage is a tough one because it's dependent on the truck, engine, configuration, region, driver, etc. Overall, I'm doing at least a couple mpg better in my Tacoma than the more fuel efficient big trucks I drove. I didn't buy a truck for fuel economy, but I'll always take a couple extra mpg.

If you're only interested in looks, though, the GMC Sierra is the obvious choice. Damn, that's a sexy truck.

[ncskier]

FV of 70k after 30 years at a real 5 percent is $302,536. If that doesn't make a big difference in your retirement plans, you could probably examine your annual run rate and think about what is important and whether you want to retire much sooner. If I could realize annual savings > 70k, I would be retired by 40.

Thank you Dave Ramsey, but im doing just fine and can jump out of the rat race at anytime. I actually like what I'm doing and I'm playing with house money at this point. I have a great job, awesome compensation, very flexible home life balance, with dinner with the kiddo's almost every night of the week. Plus I get to travel a lot and 0 debt. I'm very, very lucky. Early retirement is not enticing to me with school age kids. I'm not of the cloth where I would pull the plug and home school from an RV. So while I can cash out now, I might as well feather the nest more while I have kids in school. Public school for the record. I may waste money on a truck but no way am I paying for private school.
I've spent way more skiing for my family of 4 then I spend on transportation. Truth is I'm not stopping either. It's definately a want and not a need, but the real delta is the difference of driving a 30k used truck or spending the extra 30k for something I really want and will use. Used truck prices are insane. I'm selling my 2010 F150 Super crew for only a few thousand less then I paid for it used in 2011 when I purchased it on a vacation in Florida with 11k miles. It only has 80k miles now so someone will get a lot of life out of it. Just seems like prices have really rebounded since the recession.
Yes I'm extremely lucky and I know it. Having a Ford A plan and $1750 in rebates sweetened the deal since dealers are not really dealing on a brand new model.
I do think the upper end of this pricing is getting ridiculous now. The MSRP was a touch under $71k which considering the average american family is lucky to make $53k seem ludicrous. However, they are 12 weeks out on orders so somebody is buying them. Again I will reiterate I am very lucky and not taking this for granted.

[snapt]

I just got a GMC 1500 for work, with the 5.3 Eco I'm averaging 23 mpg. Nice truck.

[ncskier]

I just got a GMC 1500 for work, with the 5.3 Eco I'm averaging 23 mpg. Nice truck.

Those are the arguments for why the Mid-Size market is so tough. that is probably better then a Tacoma.

[glademaster]

A Tacoma is a silly purchase compared to a full size truck these days. A full size will be far more capable and comfortable, while getting very similar if not slightly better mileage, for about the same cost. I guess the Frontier makes some sense as you can get a strong deal on one, but Tacomas are too pricey for what they offer compared to full size trucks these days.

[Mazderati]

Toyota trucks have never been remarkably fuel efficient. What they have been is reliable, well-built, value-holders as compared to American trucks up to the late '90s. That argument seems more blurred now. I bought a new Tacoma in 2000 and even then a regular cab full size truck could be purchased for the same money.

[TAFKALVS]

A Tacoma is a silly purchase compared to a full size truck these days. A full size will be far more capable and comfortable, while getting very similar if not slightly better mileage, for about the same cost. I guess the Frontier makes some sense as you can get a strong deal on one, but Tacomas are too pricey for what they offer compared to full size trucks these days.

The new Toyotas are more or less a full size truck but with a gutless v6. I don't get it.

[::: :::]

The new Toyotas are more or less a full size truck but with a gutless v6. I don't get it.

sorry, just doesn't pass the smell test (or the sit in them/lie in the bed test)
japanese trucks are small, but NOW with bigger body panels
even the tundra/titan is not quite 1/2 ton size

[TAFKALVS]

sorry, just doesn't pass the smell test (or the sit in them/lie in the bed test)
japanese trucks are small, but NOW with bigger body panels
even the tundra/titan is not quite 1/2 ton size

That's my point, you're getting a truck that is as "big" on the exterior and as heavy as an American truck but way smaller interior and a less powerful motor.

[Bobby Stainless]

sorry, just doesn't pass the smell test (or the sit in them/lie in the bed test)
japanese trucks are small, but NOW with bigger body panels
even the tundra/titan is not quite 1/2 ton size

Not the case with the new Titan.

1/2 size with 3/4 towing.

5 year 100k bumper to bumper warranty is nice too.

[GeoMatt]

hell yeah. I have a 2017 superduty lariat ultimate on order since August. Just about every option box checked. Its a tank and luxury all at the same time. I have been jonesing for a 6.7 powerstroke for a while.

You'll like it. I just ran a 2017 F250 CC longbed with the 6.7L hard for two weeks on a exploration trip to Nevada and back. Really nice ride hauling and towing, power to spare, and a smooth ride empty. Truck garnered alot of looks and comments over the 5,000 mi I put on it. Averaged 15-17 mpg, and with a 46 gallon tank the range was incredible.

[ncskier]

You'll like it. I just ran a 2017 F250 CC longbed with the 6.7L hard for two weeks on a exploration trip to Nevada and back. Really nice ride hauling and towing, power to spare, and a smooth ride empty. Truck garnered alot of looks and comments over the 5,000 mi I put on it.

Great first hand review. Now im really pumped.

[bagtagley]

That's my point, you're getting a truck that is as "big" on the exterior and as heavy as an American truck but way smaller interior and a less powerful motor.

His point was that, just because it looks "big", doesn't mean it is. The outside dimensions of a Tacoma are noticeably smaller than a comparable full-size. Don't take my word for it. Go drive one, park them side to side. That's what I did. Like I said, the Tacoma isn't really comparable to the full-size trucks I drove.

Ford comes pretty close on weight, thanks to the aluminum, but they're still heavier. The rest are a good bit heavier.

ncskier: Every Ford dealership I talked to was knocking at least 18% off MSRP on 2016s, before we even started talking turkey. Some were as much as 22%. It was similar with the F250s. Not sure about the diesel trucks, as I wasn't shopping those, but I know they had incentives for them. I know they're not doing shit with 2017s, but they will. Most dealers said March for Ford incentives on '17s, plus whatever you can get the dealer to do. Most were willing to "deal" on special order trucks, too, before they stopped producing '16s. Tell them you changed your mind and wait. If you desperately need a truck, buy a used beater and sell it when you get the new one. You'll still come out ahead.