Police Behaving Badly

[digitaldeath]

Hacked BLM accounts reveal the nefarious goal of marshal law and keep obama in office


Unverified and likely anti blm propaganda

Pretty sure marshal law would affect poor communities the most and their plan would backfire. Obama would no longer be commander in chief

[BmillsSkier]

BREAKING: Authorities: Man called 911 in south Georgia to report break-in, then ambushed, shot officer who came to investigate.

Add Missouri to list of shootings targeting police today.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...07-08-17-04-05

Fuck this shit, I may stay buried on the beach for a while before heading back to the city. I sure as shit won't be getting near any crowds, protests, or standing near cops at events for a while.

[MTT]

Nixon's domestic-policy adviser, John Ehrlichman, in an interview published posthumously in Harper's this year, revealed the true aim of the Drug War was to criminalize the administration's "two enemies: the anti-war left and black people." As Ehrlichman explained, "We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings and vilify them night after night on the evening news."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...#ixzz4DqzWY4l0

And this is the thing, Government programs and causes. Grow organically. They end game is never to slay the beast and then disband.
It just keeps getting bigger. It becomes insane.

It has invaded and affected every Americans life (NOT IN A GOOD WAY)

[Bromontana]

What I'm telling you is that the criminal justice system is not so easy to analyze as to read about it in a magazine. Are you involved with the criminal justice system? Can you tell me how many bodycams you have looked at? Do you know how recently bodycams have become "the norm" for many police departments? Do you know how much it costs for a police force to buy bodycams and the hardware to keep that much data? Do you have explicit proof of officers manipulating reports or bodycams?

There is a shift towards transparency. Who do you think is doing this? In many instances its the police departments themselves. They don't want bad cops, they don't want a bad name, they don't want to be shot in dallas because some asshole in ohio killed a guy for no reason. In other cases its the city goverment that's tired of getting sued for cops being assholes.

Have cops killed people and gotten away with it, they must have based on the statistics. What do you want to do? Throw out our criminal justice system that has evolved over 200 years? Or keep the evolution process going in the right direction. I think it is going in the right direction... maybe not fast enough for your liking though.

I would like to start with agreement that they CJS suffers from systemic and, to-date, intractable failure and inability to self-manage. If the collective sentiment among a populace agrees on both the nature and priority of a problem, it paves the way to dialogue and corrective action. That corrective action is underway on paper, but is being largely ignored based on my view of the news cycle.

You can rest assured I've studied the subject more than you. Not to discount your right to contribute or for me to be a dick, but let's be honest about knowledge here. Seattle PD was studied in 2011. I read the report in 2015. Here it is https://www.justice.gov/sites/defaul...r_12-16-11.pdf

To the Mayor of Seattle, dated 12/26/2011:
- Investigation focused on whether Seattle PD (SPD) engaged in a pattern or practice of unconstitutional policing through 1) the use of excessive force; or 2) discriminatory policing.

"Our investigation finds a pattern or practice of constitutional violations regarding the use of force that result from structural problems, as well as serious concerns about biased policing." (#1 above confirmed to be a systemic problem within SPD, #2 concerns but less evidence)

Use of Force – We find that SPD engages in a pattern or practice of using unnecessary or excessive force, in violation of the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution and Section 14141. Deficiencies in SPD’s training, policies, and oversight with regard to the use of force contribute to the constitutional violations. Officers lack adequate training or policies on when and how to report force and when and how to use many impact weapons (such as batons and flashlights). We also find that, starting from the top, SPD
supervisors often fail to meet their responsibility to provide oversight of the use of force by individual officers. Command staff does not always provide supervisors with clear direction or expectations of how to supervise the use of force.

• When SPD officers use force, they do so in an unconstitutional manner nearly 20% of the time. This finding (as well as the factual findings identified below) is not based on citizen reports or complaints. Rather, it is based on a review of a randomized, stratified, and statistically valid sample of SPD’s own internal use of force reports completed by officers and supervisors.

• SPD officers too quickly resort to the use of impact weapons, such as batons and
  flashlights. Indeed, we find that, when SPD officers use batons, 57% of the time
  it is either unnecessary or excessive.

• SPD officers escalate situations and use unnecessary or excessive force when
  arresting individuals for minor offenses. This trend is pronounced in encounters
  with persons with mental illnesses or those under the influence of alcohol or
  drugs. This is problematic because SPD estimates that 70% of use of force
  encounters involve these populations.

• Multiple SPD officers at a time use unnecessary or excessive force together
  against a single subject. Of the excessive use of force incidents we identified,
  61% of the cases involved more than one officer.

• In any given year, a minority of officers account for a disproportionate number of
  use of force incidents. Over the more than two-year period reviewed, 11 officers
  used force 15 or more times, and 31 officers used force 10 or more times. In
  2010, just 20 officers accounted for 18% of all force incidents. Yet, SPD has no
  effective supervisory techniques to better analyze why these officers use force
  more than other officers, whether their uses of force are necessary, or whether any
  of these officers would benefit from additional use of force training.

Discriminatory Policing – We do not make a finding that SPD engages in a pattern or practice of discriminatory policing, but our investigation raises serious concerns on this issue. Some SPD policies and practices, particularly those related to pedestrian encounters, could result in unlawful policing. Moreover, many community members believe that SPD engages in discriminatory policing. This perception is rooted in a number of factors, including negative street encounters, recent well-publicized videos of force being used against people of color, incidents of overt discrimination, and concerns that the pattern of excessive force disproportionately affects minorities. This perception can significantly undermine the trust necessary for SPD to conduct effective policing in minority communities. The City and SPD need to thoroughly examine the issues raised, address the policies, procedures, and training that contribute to the problem, and conduct more sustained and effective community engagement.

[frorider]

Pretty sure you mean martial law DD.

Btw whatever happened to marshalolson here?

[Game Over]

And this is the thing, Government programs and causes. Grow organically. They end game is never to slay the beast and then disband.
It just keeps getting bigger. It becomes insane.

It has invaded and affected every Americans life (NOT IN A GOOD WAY)

The #1 goal of any bureaucracy is to stay on the tit

[1080Rider]

Fuck this shit, I may stay buried on the beach for a while before heading back to the city. I sure as shit won't be getting near any crowds, protests, or standing near cops at events for a while.

No shit, a guy started shooting people in cars driving by in tenn, totally random, aiming for whites. It's a good weekend to stay home!

[Dantheman]

Stealing money from citizens who have not been charged with crimes.

This is also not an exaggeration, nor even illegal.

[1080Rider]

I would like to start with agreement that they CJS suffers from systemic and, to-date, intractable failure and inability to self-manage. If the collective sentiment among a populace agrees on both the nature and priority of a problem, it paves the way to dialogue and corrective action. That corrective action is underway on paper, but is being largely ignored based on my view of the news cycle.

You can rest assured I've studied the subject more than you. Not to discount your right to contribute or for me to be a dick, but let's be honest about knowledge here. Seattle PD was studied in 2011. I read the report in 2015. Here it is https://www.justice.gov/sites/defaul...r_12-16-11.pdf

Fair enough, we had a DOJ investigation more recently: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/depar...ents-use-force

It seems it was easier for our department to change direction and implement the policies and procedures to make things better. That only makes sense though that a smaller police force can implement changes more rapidly...

[digitaldeath]

Pretty sure you mean martial law DD.

Btw whatever happened to marshalolson here?

Yes of course. Thank you

Dumb as propaganda got my spelling fucked

[GeezerSteve]

You're gonna hate this one big steve, another opinion I have as a libertarian is that every federal law should have a sunset clause.

Every? Bank robbery, interstate sex trafficking of minors, kidnapping, child pornography, counterfeiting, hijacking airplanes, mail fraud, wire fraud, money laundering, etc., etc.?

[stfu&gbtw]

Too soon?

[1080Rider]

Every? Bank robbery, interstate sex trafficking of minors, kidnapping, child pornography, counterfeiting, hijacking airplanes, mail fraud, wire fraud, money laundering, etc., etc.?

[hijack] It's just an idea I have but, yes, it would keep congress/senate busy and would make them prioritize what to address next. Instead of spending time on frivolous endeavors they would need to address any laws that were approaching sunset. The examples you laid out would be pretty quick and easy discussion/votes, don't you think?

Edit- big steve, I told you you'd hate me idea
[//end hijack]

[east or bust]

Every? Bank robbery, interstate sex trafficking of minors, kidnapping, child pornography, counterfeiting, hijacking airplanes, mail fraud, wire fraud, money laundering, etc., etc.?

Do you have an inkling that any of those things would be counteracted upon review?

^beat me to it

[riser4]

Too soon?

Yo moose, stop the car right here.
Alright, give it here, give it here.
No man let me do it, cool ice.
Stay in the car man, stay in the car. stay in the car.

Uh, hi officers, um, we had a flat tire back there.
Do you think you guys could help us out?
'naw, that's not my job. my job's not to help your fuckin' ass out.'
I mean, um, you know I don't have any other way to get home.
'that's not my job, asshole.'
Well uh, could you tell me what your job is?
'right now my job is eatin' these doughnuts, or maybe...
Hey, wait a minute. aren't you--'

Yup.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

You're kidding, right? It's accepted history that the original purpose of criminalizing the use of marijuana (then known as "the Negro drug") was to give the cops an excuse to arrest black people.

You're forgetting the Jews, homosexuals and commies. According to study commissioned by the Nixon: "Marihuana's (sic) relative potential for harm to the vast majority of individual users and its actual impact on society does not justify a social policy designed to seek out and firmly punish those who use it."

But Nixon was unconvinced, demanding a "Goddamn strong statement about marijuana ... that just tears the ass out of them."

more gems from Nixon:

"Homosexuality, dope, immorality in general. These are the enemies of strong societies. That's why the Communists and the left-wingers are pushing the stuff, they're trying to destroy us."

"You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob? What is the matter with them? I suppose it's because most of them are psychiatrists."

From John Ehrlichman, who served as Nixon's legal counsel: "You want to know what this was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the anti-war left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

[BobMc]

The Dallas dude was obviously guilty, but is anyone else somewhat bothered that they sent in a bomb strapped robot and blew up a guy they had cornered?

[PNWbrit]

The Dallas dude was obviously guilty, but is anyone else somewhat bothered that they sent in a bomb strapped robot and blew up a guy they had cornered?

Yep.

Definitely not right.

Probably in the bigger picture will be unhelpful.

[stfu&gbtw]

Dude, apparently cops will shoot you for being a black public school employee in a car at night with (or without maybe) a broken tail light. I'm surprised they didn't call in an airstrike.

[east or bust]

While undoubtedly unprecedented, what else were they supposed to do?

From my air chair it sounds like the guy was holed up for a couple hours in a place where any direct contact would have involved walking into the line of fire.

If someone has more scoop please enlighten me.

[PB]

Really, I'm not seeing the difference between blowing some one up and swiss-cheesing them with high velocity rounds, big picture wise, except that the autopsy's little simpler

Oh, and no chance of recovering sperm for maintaining the line


"but it doesn't give he perp a fair chance" -

[I've seen black diamonds!]

While undoubtedly unprecedented, what else were they supposed to do?

From my air chair it sounds like the guy was holed up for a couple hours in a place where any direct contact would have involved walking into the line of fire.

If someone has more scoop please enlighten me.

Why not... wait?

[Bromontana]

Why not... wait?

Gotta wrap it up, people need to go home and eat, let the dog out & whatnot.

[stfu&gbtw]

While undoubtedly unprecedented, what else were they supposed to do?

From my air chair it sounds like the guy was holed up for a couple hours in a place where any direct contact would have involved walking into the line of fire.

If someone has more scoop please enlighten me.

Well, they could have waited him out and arrested him... Last I checked, apprehending the criminal is the cops' job. They keep this shit up and they're going to put the executioners out of business. I'm betting they just figured he was probably wearing a hoodie.

[BobMc]

I'm also wondering why a police force has a nearby "bomb" available to send on in. Is there a bomb closet in the precinct house?