Police Behaving Badly

[shafty85]

The big takeaway from this is that America needs more guns. Period.

Are any of you ever embarrassed to be from the good ol US of A? I, for one, am constantly shaking my head in disbelief at not only what goes on there, but the attitude of so many people and representatives in government.

[JimmyCarter]

This will be a turning point in the war on American citizens being waged by police across the country.

Time to wake up! You will not be allowed to continue to assassinate innocents, without repercussions.

These first two points are spot on. Just not in the way you think.

[BmillsSkier]

Not sure how you get that someone from the Caucus Mountains is not a Caucasian, but whatever....

Seriously dude? Who mentioned Caucasians? Take your shit to polyass. Since you're hell bent on picking some polyass argument let me help you out : MPPG was dead set that it was a white extremist 'right wing nutter' when Boston was happening - which was wrong. I then made a comment about his guess that this was 50/50 a white guy starting a race war - a silly assertion similar to the last one. He and I agreed that it's just speculation and moved on. No harm no foul.

You swoop in with some nitpick shit about caucasians and whites? Come on man, take that shit to the forum you guys like so much. I'm positive you're a nice guy, but I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

Lets get back to the topic at hand.

[stfu&gbtw]

I'm pretty well known as being sceptical of "institutional racism" in circumstances that aren't related to LE, but I'm on the record saying that as a rule LE and the justice system in general absolutely treat people of color, and poor people, far differently than middle and upper class white people. It is interesting to see how this perfect example of exercising one's 2nd amendment rights is viewed so negatively when it isn't white guys defending their white families from the Feds.

So some black dudes have gotten tired of being harassed and having people of their race targeted and shot by cops and start shooting back... Sure, a manhunt for the murderous cops would have seem more appropriate, but that's kind of the point. Cops all over the country have decided to murder random people because of the color of their skin. Now people with that skin color have decided to randomly murder people carrying badges and guns. Not all cops are bad, not all black people are bad, but apparently we have a war on our hands and there's going to be more collateral damage in the form of dead good cops and dead public school employees before it's over. It's insane, but not as insane as the cops thinking this wouldn't ever happen.

[neufox47]

These first two points are spot on. Just not in the way you think.

Yep. Pieces of shit like this are already calling for a war.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2703883

And he was a former congressman.

If it true that the perps are black and were motivated to "kill white people and especially white police officers". All hell will break loose. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a retaliatory shooting by the end of the weekend. America is going to bleed.

[Tippster]

Yep. Pieces of shit like this are already calling for a war.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2703883

And he was a former congressman.

If it true that the perps are black and were motivated to "kill white people and especially white police officers". All hell will break loose. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a retaliatory shooting by the end of the weekend. America is going to bleed.

That guy is psychotic. Hope the USSS is knocking on his door as I type.

[Bobby Stainless]

Thanks Obama.

[Cono Este]

I'm pretty well known as being sceptical of "institutional racism" in circumstances that aren't related to LE, but I'm on the record saying that as a rule LE and the justice system in general absolutely treat people of color, and poor people, far differently than middle and upper class white people. It is interesting to see how this perfect example of exercising one's 2nd amendment rights is viewed so negatively when it isn't white guys defending their white families from the Feds.

So some black dudes have gotten tired of being harassed and having people of their race targeted and shot by cops and start shooting back... Sure, a manhunt for the murderous cops would have seem more appropriate, but that's kind of the point. Cops all over the country have decided to murder random people because of the color of their skin. Now people with that skin color have decided to randomly murder people carrying badges and guns. Not all cops are bad, not all black people are bad, but apparently we have a war on our hands and there's going to be more collateral damage in the form of dead good cops and dead public school employees before it's over. It's insane, but not as insane as the cops thinking this wouldn't ever happen.

I like guns and Im not usually a fan if cops.

But We have a very large problem. Everyone is armed to the teeth and Cops are poorly trained. But even if you train them properly, they will always be paranoid when assholes are open carrying assault weapons or they are responding to calls where firearms are present, or when everyone could have a concealed weapon.

The average cop in the world, outside if Fallujah, does not have to worry about that on every traffic stop.

[skifishbum]

Yep. Pieces of shit like this are already calling for a war.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2703883

And he was a former congressman.

If it true that the perps are black and were motivated to "kill white people and especially white police officers". All hell will break loose. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a retaliatory shooting by the end of the weekend. America is going to bleed.

jesus somebody send the bomber over to beat that sad asshole sensless with a ’57 Gretsch

[Cono Este]

Cops need better training and civilians need none to buy a gun.

Its like South Park. Get rid of the cellphones!

[1080Rider]

if there was an e-cunt Olympics
you may not medal
tgr sure sure send you to represent
hows come the reporter didn't ask
reguardess of the law do you question the wisdom of attending a peaceful ralley protesting fucked up use of po po deadly force
dressed in camo carrying your assult gat?
#wisdommatters

QFT!

[1080Rider]

I'm pretty well known as being sceptical of "institutional racism" in circumstances that aren't related to LE, but I'm on the record saying that as a rule LE and the justice system in general absolutely treat people of color, and poor people, far differently than middle and upper class white people. It is interesting to see how this perfect example of exercising one's 2nd amendment rights is viewed so negatively when it isn't white guys defending their white families from the Feds.

Do you know anyone in law enforcement? Are you friends with any prosecutors. Do you ever sit down and talk to those people? Or is this just shit you read on the interweb?

[My Pet Powder Goat]

Do you know anyone in law enforcement? Are you friends with any prosecutors. Do you ever sit down and talk to those people?

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[riser4]

Could everybody just stop shooting everybody? Please?

[Tippster]

The Reverend Dr. Bearded Skinny White Guy just got me to turn off the TV.

[Bromontana]

Do you know anyone in law enforcement? Are you friends with any prosecutors. Do you ever sit down and talk to those people? Or is this just shit you read on the interweb?

Due to fallacious nature of this post, it likely won't get a response.

[frorider]

Thanks Obama.

Dude's trying to keep things civil. He knows there's a powderkeg waiting to go off.

But he cautioned that the group's leaders had been too dismissive of elected officials. "Once you've highlighted an issue and brought it to people's attention ... then you can't just keep on yelling at them. And you can't refuse to meet because that might compromise the purity of your position," Obama said.

Obama met with civil rights activists, including representatives of the Black Lives Matter movement, in February at the White House to discuss criminal justice reform. Aislinn Pulley, one of the co-founders of the group's Chicago chapter, declined the invitation. "I could not, with any integrity, participate in such a sham that would only serve to legitimize the false narrative that the government is working to end police brutality and the institutional racism that fuels it," Pulley wrote in an op-ed for Truth-Out.org.

Obama didn't mention Pulley on Saturday, but he criticized some Black Lives Matter activists who, he said, were unwilling to negotiate with elected leaders.

"The value of social movements and activism is to get you at the table, get you in the room, and then to start trying to figure out how is this problem going to be solved," Obama said. "You, then, have a responsibility to prepare an agenda that is achievable, that can institutionalize the changes you seek."

The president also noted that he was speaking from experience. "I started as a community organizer trying to pressure politicians into getting things done," he said. "And now I'm on the other side."

[stfu&gbtw]

Do you know anyone in law enforcement? Are you friends with any prosecutors. Do you ever sit down and talk to those people? Or is this just shit you read on the interweb?

For cops, a matter of fact - a few hundred. Wouldn't dare get drunk with 95% of them. They're loose canons, looking for somewhere to go off. Bunch of little dicked dudes walking around looking to have their authority respected. I know several good cops - a tiny percentage of the total number of cops I know personally. A couple I'd even call friends.

And the evidence is overwhelming that being poor, black, or worse yet poor and black leads to much harsher penalties - on top of higher rates of being arrested, tried, and convicted - for crimes that are universally committed, like marijuana possession.

Edit to add - I also have first hand knowledge and experience of being processed through the same CJS as a white dude earning $150k+/year, sitting in Central Booking right next to poor black dudes charged with the exact same, or lesser crimes. And while we were all guitly, the fact is that I watched every single one of those brothers walk through the hearing room and on to the Tombs to wait for trial, and I walked out the front door and went home. And when it came time for sentencing - I ended up with a slap on the wrist - small fine, no jail - and I'm sure a bunch of those dudes ended up serving time.

[summit]

Damn is right. I guess its within the rulebook, but thats a first I think.

No... just the first time it was robot delivered... in 1985 they dropped a door breach charge from a heliocopter some black nationalists who were holed up in a row house shooting at the cops.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing

but it burned down the whole hood and killed 11... oops

I'm not sure if I'm just paying better attention but this this country is crumbling and its becoming obvious. I fear for the world my kid has to live in the future.

Oh we aren't to the level of the 60s yet... simultaneous riots in multiple cities burning dozens and dozens of city blocks of multistory buildings at a time with protestors using 50cal crew served machine guns and fragmentation grenades and the national guard rolling in with main battle tanks.

[PNWbrit]

Do you know anyone in law enforcement?

Blue friends?

[My Pet Powder Goat]

Dude's trying to keep things civil. He knows there's a powderkeg waiting to go off.

it's his fault because he's, you know, black. And racist hate blacks. iit's been driving a segment of this country absolutely batshit crazy for 8 long years.

Just look at FB comments nowadays, it's not even subtle anymore.

[Bromontana]

it's his fault because he's, you know, black. And racist hate blacks, it's driving a segment of this country absolutely batshit crazy for 8 long years.

Just look at FB comments nowadays, it's not even subtle anymore.

Yep,

Thanks Obama

[1080Rider]

For cops, a matter of fact - a few hundred. Wouldn't dare get drunk with 95% of them. They're loose canons, looking for somewhere to go off. Bunch of little dicked dudes walking around looking to have their authority respected. I know several good cops - a tiny percentage of the total number of cops I know personally. A couple I'd even call friends.

And when it came time for sentencing - I ended up with a slap on the wrist - small fine, no jail - and I'm sure a bunch of those dudes ended up serving time.

Then you live in a pretty fucked up state... here, we have sentencing guidelines, you get the same amount of time for the same crimes. Did you wait around to find out what happened in their cases? Did you know their criminal histories, which determines what sort of bond they get? I take it you don't have a long criminal history, that means your not a threat to the community and you are likely to show up for future court hearings, thus, a judge would likely release you, just like he/she would do to a minority.

You can argue that blacks are arrested disproportionately than other groups, and there's a good amount of evidence to that argument, but after years of being poor, blacks live in the most crime ridden areas, the areas that are patrolled more heavily and have more contact w/ police. It's to be expected. We need to fix the economy as much as the police.

Our police force has about 300 officers. I have had contact w/ a handful, I'd say 30, and I'm friends w/ a few. I've encountered exactly one officer that fits your description...

The other thing that needs to be taken into account when discussing the "system" is how policing is carried out. In bigger cities officers "walk the beat" and in places like NYC they have the freedom to randomly fuck w/ people. It seems they tend to fuck w/ minorities more in places like that. In smaller communities, officers respond to 911 calls, there's no racial bias here, they just go where the emergency is... I suggest giving the men in blue the benefit of the doubt. It's a shitty, shitty job.

As I said earlier, none of these cops should be given leeway if they have violated someone's rights, the Mini shooting was waaaaaay wrong from what I've seen. The Baton rouge shooting looks like terrible tactics but when confronting a known felon who is reported to be armed (and turns out to be armed) officers are going to be real jumpy. That's why I say tactics, they should have stayed back and kept a safe distance til they could get the guy to comply, going hands on was going to end up badly for someone and in the end I suspect the officers will end up in jail...

Edit to add- just so we're all clear, we have a bigger issue w/ white crime in american than black crime. Whites commit waaaaaaay more crime, the stats bear in out.

[FLS]

Oh the sweet days of 2009

[stfu&gbtw]

Then you live in a pretty fucked up state... here, we have sentencing guidelines, you get the same amount of time for the same crimes. Did you wait around to find out what happened in their cases? Did you know their criminal histories, which determines what sort of bond they get? I take it you don't have a long criminal history, that means your not a threat to the community and you are likely to show up for future court hearings, thus, a judge would likely release you, just like he/she would do to a minority.

You can argue that blacks are arrested disproportionately than other groups, and there's a good amount of evidence to that argument, but after years of being poor, blacks live in the most crime ridden areas, the areas that are patrolled more heavily and have more contact w/ police. It's to be expected. We need to fix the economy as much as the police.

Our police force has about 300 officers. I have had contact w/ a handful, I'd say 30, and I'm friends w/ a few. I've encountered exactly one officer that fits your description...

The other thing that needs to be taken into account when discussing the "system" is how policing is carried out. In bigger cities officers "walk the beat" and in places like NYC they have the freedom to randomly fuck w/ people. It seems they tend to fuck w/ minorities more in places like that. In smaller communities, officers respond to 911 calls, there's no racial bias here, they just go where the emergency is... I suggest giving the men in blue the benefit of the doubt. It's a shitty, shitty job.

As I said earlier, none of these cops should be given leeway if they have violated someone's rights, the Mini shooting was waaaaaay wrong from what I've seen. The Baton rouge shooting looks like terrible tactics but when confronting a known felon who is reported to be armed (and turns out to be armed) officers are going to be real jumpy. That's why I say tactics, they should have stayed back and kept a safe distance til they could get the guy to comply, going hands on was going to end up badly for someone and in the end I suspect the officers will end up in jail...

Surely, I managed to find the one example. I'm a fucked up guy, living in a fucked up state, who managed to stumble upon that one fucked up set of circumstances that just happens to anecdotally corroborate about 10 million pages of documented research on the subject. Whatever dude. Keep on believing it's just a few bad apples. As for me, I don't have a problem with people returning fire, and this is not an issue about specifics. Cops want to randomly kill brothers? Don't be surprised when brothers start randomly shooting cops. Maybe that will finally motivate "the vast majority" of the police force to exercise some internal control over these "few bad apples" and this shit will stop happening. Ball's in the cops court.