Police Behaving Badly

[2FUNKY]

Yet blacks commit over 52% of crimes. 58% homicide 67% robbery.

[My Pet Powder Goat]

You need multiple threads for that?

One can just imagine you angrily pecking at the keyboard, hitting send after every vitriolic sentence. Nazi flag flying high on the wall behind you. I hear standpoint is lovely this time of year?

[2FUNKY]

You need multiple threads for that? Try to keep your worthless monkey shit confined to one post. Thx!

Didn't start any threads. Can't disprove the facts so you go into retard mode? Typical.

[MTT]

No comment on good or Bad.

Just a little reality check on What Is.

[east or bust]

All lives matter, but some seem to matter less to a very small percentage of cops.

FIFY

In a lot of ways, cops are not that different than many of us. Having worked in IT my whole life, I've met hundreds of guys who become jaded as technologists, and who let themselves forget that the computer network exists for the users, not in spite of them. They get to feeling that their job would just be so much easier were it not for these people with their needs, wants, mistakes, malfeasance, etc. But IT is not computer science, and we only build.networks so that people can use them for reasons that are largely a mystery to the technical people. That dynamic is fine to some degree, but as soon as someone starts thinking that their system is self-justified, it's time to hang up the keyboard. No different with police. Police are there to protect and assist society, not the other way around. And when the cops start deciding that we're all here to respect their authority first, and to live our lives second, it's time for them to find something else to do for a living.

Completely agree.

[My Pet Powder Goat]

What am I trying to prove? we're both accurate, statistically speaking. It just happens that Your preferred stats make you come off like a racist asshole

[2FUNKY]

They're not my stats, FBI. Racist? That's fucking rich.

[My Pet Powder Goat]

Goddamn you're dense.

[2FUNKY]

Goddamn you're dense.

More name calling, I expect nothing else from you. That's all you ever have, childish retorts.

[jono]

FIFY

What percentage of cops willingly lie to protect that small number? What percentage advise each other to be extra careful around those urban types that are looking to take out cops? The culture instructs.

[digitaldeath]

They're not my stats, FBI. Racist? That's fucking rich.

Uh ya. Duh
Any institution as old as the fbi is fundamentally racist

[My Pet Powder Goat]

More name calling, I expect nothing else from you. That's all you ever have, childish retorts.

Why bother; I'm not going to change your racist worldview, so Might as well have a little fun.
This thread is about out of control police brutality against All Americans; A previous post was a video of a women getting punched in the face while handcuffed. The fact you have to throw out numbers spewed from some bootlicker site to justify and deny police violence, especially against minorities, incapable of even acknowledging the deep disparity in black deaths, tells me all I really need to know about you. And I choose to use that time to call you an asshole. Can't win them all....

[FLS]

"All lives matter, but some seem to matter less to a very small percentage of cops."

Not true. Not when you have departments that are silent and complicit. From the cop on the street to the chiefs, to the "Internal Investigators", to the "Justice system". Thick blue line.

"Police are there to protect and assist society, not the other way around"

Supreme Court thinks otherwise.

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/po...o-protect.html

[2FUNKY]

Again with the racist bullshit. I am far from racist man. If behaving like a 13yo girl is your idea of fun, carry on. I believe All Lives matter. I quoted tippster, didn't respond to a video. Not all my numbers were from the FBI, sorry they don't fit your fantasy world, you're cool with the whites being killed by police? I'm not, nor any other race being killed by the police that don't deserve it, yes some do. Keep fucking that goat man, it's all you've got.

[digitaldeath]

All lives matter is kkk propaganda

[jono]

All lives matter is kkk propaganda

Differentiating lives by race is the most insidious form of racism. Black lives are human lives and vice versa. You wanna fix the po po you gotta fix that shit for everybody.

[old goat]

From statistics, you are obviously talking about white males. Since 238 whites vs 123 blacks have been killed by cops in 2016. In 2015, 50%of police killings were white while 26% were black. #whitlelivesmatter

They're not my stats, FBI. Racist? That's fucking rich.

Bullshit. First of all the FBI does not keep statistics on people killed by police. The DOJ is mandated to do that, but it doesn't.
In 2015, the organization killedbypolice.net identified 1,186 people killed by police--each case is listed on the web site with the corroborating source. Of these, 500 were white, about 310 were black (estimated from a bar graph), so less than half were white, more than half non-white. The statistics for 2016 are incomplete as in a large percentage of cases the race of the victim has not yet been identified.
Now frankly, most of the people killed by police were probably killed justifiably, and when a police killing is unjustified it is horrible regardless of the race of the victim. That does not change the fact that minorities, and especially blacks, are targeted by police for traffic stops, illegal searches, unjustified pretrial incarceration (which frequently costs innocent people their jobs and turns them into criminals), and death. In some cases the cause is overt racism, in some it is the general societal fear of young black men that makes even prosperous older black people cross the street. The difference is important; the overtly racist cop can usually be identified and dealt with. The cop who, like all of us, harbors prejudices that he is not even aware of, is a tougher problem, because you can't deal with a problem when the person who has the problem isn't aware of it. The Freddie Gray case shows that even black cops are biased towards blacks.
And yes, you are a racist. You obviously don't think so, but it's as plain as the nose on your face to others. You go looking for bullshit sources of bullshit statistics that suit your preconceived bias--a textbook definition of racism, as our Speaker likes to say.
http://killedbypolice.net/

[frorider]

Again with the racist bullshit. I am far from racist man.

Cool, we are stoked to hear that. Pro tip: to avoid convincing people you're sorta racist, maybe you should avoid regurgitating email chain statistics that show you haven't thought this through very well.

[jono]

Some very cogent thoughts on the race issues on last week's Democracy Now radio show. STFU's IT comparison fits a hell of a lot better than "white supremacy" especially since police spend so much time literally making snap decisions which tend to encourage the use of prejudicial shortcuts. Still, it seemed like progress at the time.

http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16374

NERMEEN SHAIKH: Well, you’ve also said that in cases like Alton Sterling, and, of course, Philando Castile now as well, that it’s often true that police officers are afraid, but it’s not of the weapon, if there is one, but of black men.

MARC LAMONT HILL: Yeah, that’s part of the problem. We don’t need to always have a demon. We don’t always need a villainous cop. There are instances like in Charleston with Walter Scott where he’s running away and he gets shot in the back, that is somewhat of an outlier. The more ordinary type of state violence that we see, that is still fueled by white supremacy, is when the officer sees a black body and is afraid or a citizen like George Zimmerman sees a Trayvon Martin and is afraid.

I don’t doubt that George Zimmerman really thought that Trayvon Martin was violent and dangerous. The problem is there was no reason to. But, what happens is, when we see someone with Skittles and a hoodie and we decide that they’re dangerous, or we see someone with their hands up and we decide that they’re dangerous, or we see someone with CDs in their hand and we decide that they’re dangerous, we simply reinforce the idea that black bodies themselves are inherently dangerous, and then when we let them off as jurors, or as grand jurors, we ultimately normalize and codify irrational white supremacist fear of black people.

[digitaldeath]

Differentiating lives by race is the most insidious form of racism. Black lives are human lives and vice versa. You wanna fix the po po you gotta fix that shit for everybody.

It's not broken for everybody

Your entire comment is convoluted and meaningless.

"Differentiating lives by race" is what police do, institutionally. The courts do, institutionally. You clearly do.


institution

2.
an established law, practice, or custom.
"the institution of marriage"
synonymsractice, custom, convention, tradition, habit; More

[Bromontana]

Differentiating lives by race is the most insidious form of racism. Black lives are human lives and vice versa. You wanna fix the po po you gotta fix that shit for everybody.

The complaint from BLM folks is that there are unique structural injustices that black folks face every day in their interactions with law enforcement officials. They are more likely to be killed. They are more likely to receive longer sentences. They are more likely to be pulled over, etc. While it is certainly true that all lives matter, black lives matter is focused on calling attention to these injustices and demanding change and accountability. So BLM folks understandably get annoyed when they say "look, there are real structural injustices that black folks face every day that we need to change!" And the response is "yes, yes, quite right, all people's lives matter" because it seems like a way of dismissing their concerns by saying something that is literally true but beside the point.

-anonymous

[jono]

To clarify the convoluted truth for dd: encouraging division along racial lines among people of the lower socio-economic strata has long been a way to keep them from making common cause against their common oppressors. It's insidiously racist because it has racist effects, being disproportionately anti-black. Encouraging division has the effect, whether you intend it or not, of harming black people by enabling and justifying that shit.

BLM is right that black people face more of the injustice of this system than non-black people do. Read the quote I posted above from Marc Lamont Hill; I quibbled with his choice of phrasing a little, but I agree with him 100% (I think his meaning with "white supremacy" is a little different from, say, an Arian Nations meaning and I don't think he's wrong, just outside the norm of the language).

The point in my statement that you quoted is the last sentence: as long as cops are making life and death decisions based on the balance of their fear, assumptions, a feeling of unquestioned authority (and a right to that) and the idea that they are separate from and above the citizens they exist to protect, we have a problem. That problem will continue to manifest itself in tregedies and trampled civil rights and those results will continue to fall on black citizens as long as they have disproportionate interactions with police or are viewed as powerless or more likely to be criminals by those police (even if you could somehow even out the number of interactions). You can try to fight the racism without fighting the use of prejudice and assumption as a heuristic method but you won't succeed because most cops (black ones included) don't think they are racist. They just think they're making reasonable assumptions based on observed patterns on an individual basis. When those assumptions scare them they react to that fear. The fear isn't even the root problem, though, the root problem is the baseless assumption that precedes it and that problem cannot be solved one race at a time, it has to be addressed across the board.

[TomCrac]

Please shut the fuck up already about skittles and a hoodie. Look up what Purple Drank is. Two assholes met each other that night and they fucked each other up.

There are (disgustingly) too many other victims to get behind.

Reacting to police brutality and the corrupt "Justice" system purely as a racial issue is what divides us and makes it more difficult for any real change to happen.

There are plenty of instances all around to start.

[frorider]

This wapost article is the best summary of the various statistics involved that I've encountered: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.45e3c7ba6559

[Rip'nStick]

In a lot of ways, cops are not that different than many of us. Having worked in IT my whole life, I've met hundreds of guys who become jaded as technologists, and who let themselves forget that the computer network exists for the users, not in spite of them. They get to feeling that their job would just be so much easier were it not for these people with their needs, wants, mistakes, malfeasance, etc. But IT is not computer science, and we only build.networks so that people can use them for reasons that are largely a mystery to the technical people. That dynamic is fine to some degree, but as soon as someone starts thinking that their system is self-justified, it's time to hang up the keyboard. No different with police. Police are there to protect and assist society, not the other way around. And when the cops start deciding that we're all here to respect their authority first, and to live our lives second, it's time for them to find something else to do for a living.

:-). Have seen other posts from you in which you seemed completely unaware of this. Much respect for the self awareness. And spot on