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    Quote Originally Posted by phUnk View Post
    How the hell are you going to use that for self-defense? Tell the bad-guys you're calling a timeout while you put your gun together and load it?
    depending where you put them, and as long as you keep them all in one piece, the upper and lower receiver take about 2 seconds to slap back together, and another second or two to load your clip and chamber a round.

    that's how.

    I have my gun right at my bedside, loaded and hot (with safety on), but I don't have kids.

    It was just a suggestion...honestly, it'd take about a second longer along with hiding the ammo. Just how far you want to disassemble and scatter is up to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeti View Post
    I'm surprised to hear so many people here have been held up or burglarized in person. I can easily see how that would increase your threat attentiveness. I grew up with handguns that we used solely for target practice. They were kept locked in boxes away from the living space, with ammo not loaded but in the same boxes. Had there been an intruder in the house, we would not likely have been able to get to the firearms without being detected. That wasn't their purpose, though.

    Question to those who've been robbed. If you'd been packing (for holdups) or had your gun accessible and ready (for burglaries), would you have drawn? Would you have fired? Would you have been ready to shoot for your target immediately, or would you have tried a non-firearm alternative first (e.g. yelling)? What sort of training do you have in target recognition and acquisition? If you missed or your shot was ineffective, would you have been ready for your subject to return fire? What training do you have in defensive tactics?

    Second, suppose you decide that the everyday threat level of your job/living situation is such that you need to carry or have a weapon accessible and ready at all times. Does everyone agree that this means that there is a greater likelihood that your firearm will be discharged? (Obviously if there is no gun in the house, you or your kid isn't going to fire it at a person.) How do you evaluate your own ability in assessing the relative risks posed by intruding assailants versus accidental discharges?
    The way the laws are in Minnesota, if they enter the house,and pose a threat then you can shoot. But you had better kill them because if you don't they can sue you for their injuries. However, their family can't sue you fortheir death. So if someone, God forbid breaks in my house, I will kill them. I have two beautiful little girls and will do anything to protect them. I shoot a fair amount, not as much as I would like, but I don't ski as much as I would like either. I keep the gun locked, in my bedroom, and only my wife and I know how to access the gun. Honestly, she doesn't stand a chance, so if I'm not home I can only hope the dog will put up a good fight.

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    as they say: better to be judged by 12 than buried by 6.

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    I don't have the patience to read the whole thread, so my apologies if this has been covered: More people with guns are shot by burglars than those without them (as a per cent). The reason is that most people can't just bring themselves to shoot an intruder. Instead, they yell "Halt" or "Freeze" or whatever and then of course the burglar blasts them before they can get a shot off.

    So guns are fine for home protection, but only if you are brave/heartless/smart enough to just fucking shoot them and put them down for good. Are you willing to put a bullet in them without warning, Gordy?

    If not, a stout lock on your bedroom door and a quick call to 911 is a lot better way to go.

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    The ultimate in home protection:

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    AZ Daily Star
    Resident wounds, kills home invaders
    By Dale Quinn
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    Tucson, Arizona | Published: 01.04.2007
    advertisementA Southwest Side man shot two men Tuesday night, killing one and wounding another, after a group of men burst into his home and broke down the door to the bedroom where he had been sleeping.
    The armed invasion is the third time in a week armed men have broken into Southwest Side homes threatening the occupants.
    In the latest incident, the occupants of the home — three adults and one child — were not injured, but concern about possible retaliation from the armed robbers or their friends has the family thinking about moving.
    Philip M. Mendoza, 22, shot the intruders with a shotgun after they had rushed into the house, forced his family to the floor and attempted to break into the bedroom, said Sgt. James Ogden, a spokesman for the Pima County Sheriff's Department.
    The day after the shooting, Mendoza said he didn't know why the invaders chose his family's house, but that his mother no longer feels safe there.
    "I'm pretty sure we're going to get out of here," Mendoza said. "My mom is scared. My mom is terrified."
    He said people had already driven by his house saying they'd known the men who'd been shot at the home.
    Anthony Ralph Amavisca, 32, of the 700 block of North San Rafael Avenue, died at the scene and Carlos Jesus Alcaraz, 31, was taken to a hospital in critical condition.
    Many invasions unreported
    Tucson police are investigating a possible link between two earlier home invasions — one that occurred Tuesday morning and one Dec. 27 — that happened near South Midvale Park and West Drexel roads.
    Sheriff's Department investigators have not yet determined whether the latest home invasion has anything to do with the previous two. The fatal shooting happened about five miles from the previous two incidents.
    "It doesn't look like it is connected, but it's still in the early stages of the investigation," Ogden said.
    Tucson police will work with the Sheriff's Department to see if the crimes are linked, said Sgt. Mark Robinson, a police spokesman. He said there hasn't necessarily been a rising trend of home invasions and sometimes the crimes are never reported to police.
    Historically, victims of home-invasion robberies are sometimes involved in illegal activity such as drugs or people smuggling and "do not report these types of incidents to the authorities," Robinson said. "Local authorities learn about them from neighbors or witness reports."
    Invaders flee with wounded
    According to the Sheriff's Department, the latest case began after 10 p.m. Tuesday as a woman was doing laundry near the back of a house on West Valencia Road near South Mark Road.
    Six men, some of whom were armed, entered through an unlocked rear door. The men yelled at the people in the home and ordered them on the floor.
    The noise awakened Mendoza, who was sleeping in a bedroom. He said he then locked the door to his room and got a loaded shotgun that was in his room.
    He saw the doorknob turn and then one of the men kicked down the bedroom door. Mendoza said he fired the shotgun, wounding the man. Then a second man appeared in the door, and Mendoza shot again, killing the man.
    The home invaders picked up the wounded man and fled in a dark-colored sedan, according to the Sheriff's Department.
    Mendoza called the police at about 10:40 p.m.
    A few minutes after Mendoza's call, sheriff's deputies received a second call about a shooting victim and went to a residence nearby in the 5000 block of West Corona Road. There they found a man with what appeared to be a gunshot wound and saw a dark-colored sedan in the driveway.
    Four men in the house were detained and questioned. Deputies released two of the men and arrested Philip Nidez Valencia, 28, of the 800 block of West Calle Ventura, and Robert Sanchez Escobedo, 25, of the 1400 block of West Sonora Street, on suspicion of first-degree murder in connection with the home invasion, according to the Pima County Sheriff's Department.
    The men were arrested under the felony-murder rule, which allows an individual to be charged with murder when someone dies during the commission of certain crimes, even if the individual is not directly responsible for the death.
    Ogden could not say what the home invaders expected to find when they entered the house, citing the early processes of the investigation.
    No decision yet on charges
    The Sheriff's Department will present the evidence to the Pima County Attorney's Office, which will decide if Mendoza will face charges for shooting the home invaders, Ogden said.
    According to court documents Sanchez has been arrested several times on charges including weapons misconduct and possession of drug paraphernalia. Alcaraz also has past arrests on drug charges, court documents show.
    In the Tuesday morning home invasion, several men forced their way into a home in the 1600 block of West Maplewood Drive and demanded valuables. On Dec. 27, just two doors down in the 1500 block of Maplewood, assailants invaded a home in a similar manner.
    ● Contact reporter Dale Quinn at 629-9412 or dquinn@azstarnet.com.
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    Now that is quite a fucking MMD law:

    homeowner kills intruder(s)
    undead intruders charged with fellow intruders death
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    Quote Originally Posted by lemon boy View Post
    Now that is quite a fucking MMD law:

    homeowner kills intruder(s)
    undead intruders charged with fellow intruders death
    Actually that is just application of what is known as "felony murder", which is part of common law and that of most states. If, during the comission of a felony, someone dies as the result, a person(s) comitting the felony, whether or not they in fact caused the death, is subject to 1st degree murder charges. It applies between co-felons also.
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    total sweetness!
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    In a state full of unusual politicians, you’re going to wind up with some unusual laws. Down here there’s a law called the “stand your ground law “

    In a nutshell “A person, in any place that a person has a right to be, HAS NO DUTY TO RETREAT and may meet force with force including deadly force.

    It’s also known as the “shoot first law”

    Even with all the rednecks down here you hardly ever see public arguments.

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    For you to get arrested for killing someone that enters your house is ridiculously absurd.

    Are they just going to take the silver, or did they come here trying to rape your wife? Who the fuck knows.. They are getting a round in the head/chest in my house.

    Can someone find a case for me where a homeowner was prosecuted for killing an unarmed intruder ( again, how do you know if they are armed? Shoot fist, questions later.)

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    I remember a case a few years ago in NY where a man was charged for shooting an intruder. From the case details I remember, he was an ex-marine who had recently moved to NY. Apparently a man was in his daughters room. He warned the man. The man rushed him, and he shot the guy in the leg or something(non-fatal). As I recall he was charged because he had not had his gun registration go through yet in the state of NY(he had moved to NY from another state where it was registered).

    I don't know what the outcome was, but it was on the news and stuff and the state DA was not backing down on the charges.

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    I prolly live in one of the safest areas around and there isn't a room in my house without a loaded firearm. i'll skip and whistle unarmed through the roughest neighborhoods like a little twinkie. But when it comes to my home and family, i have no problem "thinning the herd" when someone decides to enter without knocking. and my 10 year old daughter knows more about gun safety and proper firearm handling than most hunters I know.

    cops don't stop crimes, they show up after a crime has been committed. don't rely on them to protect you. they just notify your next of kin.

    a polite society is an armed society and i think it is the responsible thing to do for every citizen to arm themselves to avoid being victims of crime.

    and lock your fuggin car/house doors! you're far more likely to be the victim of a petty crime of opportunity than a felonious assault involving a shooting.

    crap, my soapbox just broke under all the weight i gained over the holidays

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    Here in St. Louis we had a case where an elderly landlord evicted one of his tenants. The guy came to his house and ended up assaulting him. The old guy shot him ionce with a 22 that jammed afterwards, so he grabbed another pistol from another room and shot him again. Im not sure wether the guy was still after him or not, but since by leaving the room he proved he could have fled, he was sent to jail.

    I think we need that stand your ground law here, but something to think about none the less.
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    BUMP for another law abiding gun owner saving the day

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    March 5, 2007

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    A death averted

    Passer-by uses gun to halt attack

    By Nicklaus Lovelady
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    Brian Albert Broom/The Clarion-Ledger

    Police place Henry Watson, 42, of Jackson into a cruiser Sunday afternoon after he allegedly attacked his wife, Gracie Watson, reportedly stabbing her then pouring gas on her and trying to set her on fire outside Family Dollar at the intersection of Hanging Moss Road and Nakoma Drive.

    As customers watched in horror Sunday afternoon, a man stabbed a woman and attempted to set her on fire in the parking lot of a Jackson store, witnesses said.

    The attack was stopped by a passer-by, who held the man at gunpoint until police arrived, witnesses said.

    The suspect, Henry Watson, 42, was arrested and is expected to face aggravated assault charges, Jackson Police Department Cmdr. Lee Vance said. Watson's wife, Gracie Watson, 42, was transported to the University of Mississippi Medical center, where she was listed in good condition.

    "It wasn't five minutes from when she had left my line when I heard a scream outside," said Theresa Stuckey, a cashier at the Family Dollar at 516 Nakoma Drive in Jackson. "I looked out, and (the attacker) was on top of her stabbing her, and stabbing her and stabbing her.

    "She was screaming, 'Help, he's trying to kill me!' She was rolling on the ground, trying to get out of the way, but he kept stabbing her. He stabbed her about 20 times in the neck, back and arms."

    As the attack continued, people were yelling at the man to stop and honking their horns, Stuckey said. She said she called 911.

    "He was just standing over her hacking away," said Dolly Baker, who had just left the Save-A-Lot store next door when she saw the attack.

    Baker said she watched the man pour gasoline on the victim then try to strike a match.

    "He was literally trying to kill that lady in broad daylight," she said.

    Baker said a passer-by stopped the attack.

    "He told the man, 'Stop, or I'm going to shoot. And if you run, I'm going to kill you,' " Baker said.

    The man held Watson at bay until police arrived at the scene.

    "Right now, all we know is that (Watson) attacked his wife. For what reason, we don't know," Jackson Police Department Sgt. Eric Smith said.

    Police said they are looking for the passer-by who stopped the attack and would like to talk to him but don't know who he is or where he went.

    The incident occurred about 3:50 p.m.

    Smith said he did not know exactly how many times Gracie Watson was stabbed but said it was more than 10 times.


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    Honking their horns? Thank god for the gun owner..

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    Fuck guns! I want one of these for home protection.

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    Honking their horns? Thank god for the gun owner..
    It took you 3 months to dig another story of a "law abiding gun owner saving the day" ?
    Wow. I've changed my mind on gun control...
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    Holy crap! See the kind of shit that happens outside Family Dollar? I avoid that place like the plague. You'd never see that in front of the Neiman Marcus. The worse you'll see men in suits sitting around crying into their lattes while their wives shop for shoes.

    While I agree that Arty is the *ultimate* weapon, I personally prefer to keep lots of heavy objects good for serious bludgeoning around the house within easy reach.

    Nothing says "You are so fucked, buddy" like an angry little cuban chick swinging heavy objects around, chasing you, and screaming expletives.

    The expression on the face is worth the extra effort involved, totally. Plus it's a good workout to boot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P_McPoser View Post
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    Honking their horns? Thank god for the gun owner..
    law-abiding? they're still looking for the dude.

    besides, that wasn't home protection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowsprite View Post
    Nothing says "You are so fucked, buddy" like an angry little cuban chick swinging heavy objects around, chasing you, and screaming expletives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philippeR View Post
    It took you 3 months to dig another story of a "law abiding gun owner saving the day" ?
    Wow. I've changed my mind on gun control...
    Actually the monthly magazine they send you when you join the NRA has a section where they list these types of stories and they generally have at least 6-10 of these stories every month. You know, in case you were looking for more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blashyrkh View Post
    Man, you guys have either got it pretty rough or you are over-compensating for something...
    I have to agree with this (the over-compensating part). Most of you guys live in the safest burbs in the country/world. What are you afraid of?

    Sex predators?
    Most kids get snatched outside the home, better to teach them self defense and to scream and fight any strangers who try to abduct them. Get your woman into a self defense course and encourage her to grow some biceps.

    Robbery?
    It's just material things that can be replaced. Get a good homeowners/renters insurance. Backup your computer, and get a safe.

    Quote Originally Posted by hutash View Post
    Get a Chesapeake bay retriever, he/she will do a lot more damage then a hand gun...
    Any breed over 45 pounds will give a burglar pause.

    Quote Originally Posted by powder11 View Post
    alarms, locks and well trained dogs are more noticable to the burgler than a pistol locked in a safe. training a dog to protect your family is alot more fun and productive than having a loaded pistol under your pillow. everyone wants to blow away the fucker who breaks into the house, but its just not practical. train a police pedigree german shepherd instead. Ive seen these dogs in action. anyone stupid enough to break into your house will wish you had the pistol.
    ^^ Quoted for truth. If you have kids, participating in the training and care of a dog will enrich their lives in many more ways than target practice.

    Mc Posers story is more of an issue with people failing to act, than some hero with a handgun. If 1 or 2 people just bumrushed the guy, it would have given the wife a chance to flee. Instead they stood by, just looking.
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    What you want is a Mossberg 500 pump. Cut the barrel down to about 2inches past the magazine. 00 buckshot. (This may be illegal, look up shotgun barrel length requirements federal and state firsthand...but as short as possible) There is nothing better for home defense. Period. You simply can not miss, and hopefully you never have to fire. Avoid that .22 idea. The last thing you want is someone that's been shot 13 times with your .22 beating you to death before they call the ambulance. Do not use a high powered hand gun such as a .357 or .44 magnum. You've got family, and you've got walls in your house, a magnum pistol doesn't care too much about walls.

    Loaded or unloaded? Depends. It will take you longer to get it loaded in the event of an emergency, but on the other hand nothing gets a thief running like the sound of a shotgun being filled with shells and ratcheted. With kids in the house the most important thing is that they understand what firearms are, what they do and what the consequences of their misuse are.

    A child that's only seen a firearm on television may pick up and play with a handgun that he/she finds simply because they don't understand their purpose and the danger they pose. A child that's been raised with gun-safety in mind and understands how to use and respect a firearm is much less likely to hurt themselves or another playing around. It's a tough judgement call.
    So I guess in my opinion: Cut down shotgun (don't leave the house with it, not entirely legal) up high away from a child's reach with ammo close by but also high up and secure. Children in the house should know: Where it is, that it is not to be touched and what the consequences of pointing a firearm at another human being are. Once again playing devil's advocate to myself here...if you yourself are new to firearms introducing one to your house may be a bad idea in general.

    Also, check your local/state laws regarding the use of guns in home defense.
    I live in Massachusetts, in this state we are under "Duty to Retreat" law. If someone breaks into my house, and they start raping my wife, it is my duty to retreat. I'm not married, but that's an example.

    To harm a person that has broken into your home regardless of their actions or intent:
    "The defendant had first avoided conflict and secondly, had taken reasonable steps to retreat and so demonstrated an intention not to fight before eventually using force."

    More reasonable states have what's called "castle law" where you are allowed to stand your ground if being threatened in your own home, car or place of business. It'd be a good idea to find out where your state stands on this issue, as it'll make a difference should worse come to worse someday.
    My thoughts anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philippeR View Post
    It took you 3 months to dig another story of a "law abiding gun owner saving the day" ?
    Wow. I've changed my mind on gun control...
    No. I just happened upon it. Why would I dig for these? Gun owner =! Gun Nut...

    Maybe if you frenchmen acquired some firearms you wouldn't have to surrender or lose almost every time conflict erupts.

    Tracy, I agree, this was posted more out of my disgust over the inaction of the bystanders, rather than respect for the gun owner, but, without the gun owner, the outcome doesn't sound very positive.

    Your scenarios are logical, but what you have to remember is that when someone enters your home, you don't have a "magic preview" button to see what their intentions are. Personally, I would rather kill the intruder and face the judgment of the law, than take my chances trying to determine what his plans are.

    13, why would they need to find him? Sometimes a hero doesn't want recognition for doing the right thing.

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