Thinking about getting a gun for family protection

**Free Range Lobster** · 12-05-2006, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by irul&ublo

You could turn him into some wickid chowda.

He'd make better bait.

**EPSkis** · 12-05-2006, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by likwid

I have more guns than you and a dog that will take you apart before you can blink. I bet I can fit your carcass in an offshore lobster trap.

We have ways of taking care of bodies.

WHAT? The Commonwealth hasn't collected yours yet? Just sit tight, I'm sure the stormtroopers will be along shortly to correct the situation.

At 6-7 years old, I was attacked by a guard Shepherd named Satan.(seriously.) It became a test of wills as to whether he was going to stop biting, or I was going to stop punching. I won. I no longer fear dogs.

When you talk about "taking care of bodies", I can't help but think you mean it in a:

kind of way.

**Buzzworthy** · 12-05-2006, 01:25 PM

We have a 9MM. We have a kid. I have it locked, in a special spot we can access easy at our height, keep 10 in the clip, clip in the gun. NO BULLET in chamber though.

My wife actually bought it when we moved into Utah, for home protection and hiking. We also had two Great Danes at that time, now have only one and he is getting old. However he will bark his brains out and warns us if ANYONE is coming.

When we had Taylor, we seriously thought about selling it. 2 years later we still have it and she went through a training course. She shoots very well BTW. I have been shooting for over 15 years.

Controversial subject, but to each his own.

And I never have wanted a shotgun, but that is how my dad went.

Now, my brother and his wife in Philly have concealed weapon licenses and he carries a .40 and she carrys a 9mm every day. Car, holster, whatever. He has had 4 breakins and has taken a shot. This person was armed coming in his window. Said dude is now in the state penn, with a bullet scar.
Keep in mind, this is Philly. And I am certainly not my brother and I do not live in Philly or anyplace remotely resembling Philly.

He has now upped the arsenal:

**Free Range Lobster** · 12-05-2006, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by EPSkis

WHAT? The Commonwealth hasn't collected yours yet? Just sit tight, I'm sure the stormtroopers will be along shortly to correct the situation.

I'm related to the storm troopers.

**EPSkis** · 12-05-2006, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by likwid

I'm related to the storm troopers.

Heh - me too. Crime Lab. There's only 1 weapon I couldn't have shipped down, and there was no way in hell I was putting it in the trunk...It's got a bit of a "sordid history".

**phUnk** · 12-05-2006, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Jumper Bones

Also if you're really concerned about kids somehow getting into the safe, and you're going to separate the ammo anyway...they why not just field-strip the gun and scatter the parts? Yeah it's hard to fire a gun with no ammo, but it's even harder to fire if you're missing some critical parts. it could even be as simple as hiding the upper receiver in one place, the lower receiver in another, and the ammo someplace else.

How the hell are you going to use that for self-defense? Tell the bad-guys you're calling a timeout while you put your gun together and load it?

Originally Posted by lemon boy

Phunk-

as stated, handgun safes are designed to be opened very quickly by the authorized party

Str8line got a regular safe, not a gun safe (as I read the OP.)

**phUnk** · 12-05-2006, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Buzzworthy

When we had Taylor, we seriously thought about selling it. 2 years later we still have it and she went through a training course. She shoots very well BTW. I have been shooting for over 15 years.

Dude, I don't think it's cool that you made your baby take a gun training course. I don't care how good of a shot she is...

Originally Posted by Buzzworthy

Now, my brother and his wife in Philly have concealed weapon licenses and he carries a .40 and she carrys a 9mm every day. Car, holster, whatever. He has had 4 breakins and has taken a shot.

That's the universe's way of saying, "Get the fuck out of Philly.

"

**lemon boy** · 12-05-2006, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by phUnk

Str8line got a regular safe, not a gun safe (as I read the OP.)

yeah...he didn't say he was going to keep the gun in there he indicated that buying a safe was part of the impetus for the question.

A keypad long gun safe should be about a 10sec to open affair and a biometric/combo handgun safe should be about 1 sec. That's pretty fast.

**Gripen** · 12-05-2006, 02:39 PM

These work pretty well...

On a seriuos note, i think guns should only be used for protection from deadly bodily harm. Its not worth shooting someone over property, thats what insurance is for. I would never, never use a weapon in a home invasion situation unless faced with injury. I would proably beat a hasty reatreat out the window and call the cops. Not worth the reprussions of shooting someone in a robbery like that.

**str8line** · 12-05-2006, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by lemon boy

yeah...he didn't say he was going to keep the gun in there he indicated that buying a safe was part of the impetus for the question.

A keypad long gun safe should be about a 10sec to open affair and a biometric/combo handgun safe should be about 1 sec. That's pretty fast.

It is a keypad safe. I bought it to protect things from fire, etc. As my kids get older I'm sure it will double as a porn storage device too. Then I thought that if I got a pistol it could reside in the safe and be accessible quickly. Since I'm thinking shotgun now I will probably just use the safe for its original intent.

**Peewee** · 12-05-2006, 03:35 PM

One way you could keep you shotgun ready for use but inoperable for children is to use one of those free cable locks that gun companies and the government give away. Load your magazine then slide the action half-way open and loop the cable through the bottom and out the side. The action will still slide a little bit, but not far enough to chamber a shell. Keep the key on your bed stand, and still keep the shotgun out of reach so it can't be knocked over.

**MakersTeleMark** · 12-05-2006, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Peewee

One way you could keep you shotgun ready for use but inoperable for children is to use one of those free cable locks that gun companies and the government give away. Load your magazine then slide the action half-way open and loop the cable through the bottom and out the side. The action will still slide a little bit, but not far enough to chamber a shell. Keep the key on your bed stand, and still keep the shotgun out of reach so it can't be knocked over.

Those things are a joke. My buddy was hunting one early morning this year and didn't notice he still had his gun locked until a few miles in. It took him two minutes to break the lock, and it was a step up from the crappy plastic free ones.

**lemon boy** · 12-05-2006, 04:12 PM

For young kids they're fine and to make a nice one would cost exactly $4.89 in aircraft cable, swages and padlock.

**Peewee** · 12-05-2006, 04:14 PM

Yes, they are a joke- they're free. But they'll keep a little kid from putting a round in the chamber. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.

**MarsB** · 12-05-2006, 04:46 PM

These work pretty well...

Do you headbutt them with the foam tanker helmet before or after you throw the LSAT prep book at them?

And I am truly suprised with the number of people here using .22s for home protection....

**Buzzworthy** · 12-05-2006, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by phUnk

Dude, I don't think it's cool that you made your baby take a gun training course. I don't care how good of a shot she is...

Prodigy child!

Originally Posted by phUnk

That's the universe's way of saying, "Get the fuck out of Philly.

"

That is why I did. Not sure why he has not used his brain yet.

**Free Range Lobster** · 12-05-2006, 05:47 PM

Just remember, shoot a perpetrator and you're probably going to jail.
And kill them or not, be prepared for the impending civil suit.
It may cost you more than they planned on stealing.

**shmoesmith** · 12-05-2006, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by likwid

Just remember, shoot a perpetrator and you're probably going to jail.
And kill them or not, be prepared for the impending civil suit.
It may cost you more than they planned on stealing.

Indeed!

My friend (same 'hood' here in Utah that I was held up in) had an individual break into his home while he was there. Now my friend is just one of those paranoid guys that has a gun in every room of the house(little whacko, but good guy none the less). Anyway, the guy that broke into his home was some drunk dude with a shotgun. The guy saw my friend and took a shot at him. In his drunken state, he missed. My friend put 6 hydrashock .45 rounds into the guy, killing the man.

The police on the scene did nothing to my friend, but took the report..they werent concerned about the killing of the home invader since there was shotgun shot plastered into the wall. The story gets wierd when later my friend was formally charged with excessive force. The state was not at all concerened that he killed the man. They said he was justified in defending himself with equal force. The problem they had was that he put 6 rounds into the guy(they said he didnt need to unload his gun on the guy, and that he could have killed him with less shots, and that he had an anger management problem and had used excessive force)

It took about 1 year of legal bullshit and an attorney, but eventually all charges were dropped by the state. My friend is alive, and a free man, but I think his attorney's bill ended up being about 1 years worth of wages for him.

**str8line** · 12-05-2006, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by shmoesmith

Indeed!

My friend (same 'hood' here in Utah that I was held up in) had an individual break into his home while he was there. Now my friend is just one of those paranoid guys that has a gun in every room of the house(little whacko, but good guy none the less). Anyway, the guy that broke into his home was some drunk dude with a shotgun. The guy saw my friend and took a shot at him. In his drunken state, he missed. My friend put 6 hydrashock .45 rounds into the guy, killing the man.

The police on the scene did nothing to my friend, but took the report..they werent concerned about the killing of the home invader since there was shotgun shot plastered into the wall. The story gets wierd when later my friend was formally charged with excessive force. The state was not at all concerened that he killed the man. They said he was justified in defending himself with equal force. The problem they had was that he put 6 rounds into the guy(they said he didnt need to unload his gun on the guy, and that he could have killed him with less shots, and that he had an anger management problem and had used excessive force)

It took about 1 year of legal bullshit and an attorney, but eventually all charges were dropped by the state. My friend is alive, and a free man, but I think his attorney's bill ended up being about 1 years worth of wages for him.

No shit he's got an anger management problem, some fucker broke into his home and shot at him! The dude definitely deserved a wedgie and a swirlie on TOP of getting 6 shells pumped into him.

BTW, what neighborhood do you live in in case someone I don't like asks where's a good neighborhood to live in?

**shmoesmith** · 12-05-2006, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by str8line

No shit he's got an anger management problem, some fucker broke into his home and shot at him! The dude definitely deserved a wedgie and a swirlie on TOP of getting 6 shells pumped into him.

BTW, what neighborhood do you live in in case someone I don't like asks where's a good neighborhood to live in?

I lived in South Salt Lake..just off of State Street. We had break-ins, rapes, and tons and tons of meth busts over there. Now I live in a much nicer section of the valley

**Blashyrkh** · 12-07-2006, 05:48 PM

Man, you guys have either got it pretty rough or you are over-compensating for something...

I live in downtown Calgary and my locks don't even work properly.

(and no, you can't have my address)

**Gripen** · 12-07-2006, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Blashyrkh

Man, you guys have either got it pretty rough or you are over-compensating for something...

I live in downtown Calgary and my locks don't even work properly.

(and no, you can't have my address)

I'll sell it to interested parties....

**Blashyrkh** · 12-07-2006, 05:53 PM

Fucker!

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**hutash** · 12-07-2006, 06:43 PM

Get a Chesapeake bay retriever, he/she will do a lot more damage then a hand gun, but not the shot gun. Plus you have the added benefit of fewer lawsuits. I pity the fool who breaks in my house when Coot is on duty.

I am not a gun control freak, but I would not trust kids, especially teenagers when they get that old. They manage to find things like this, especially if you keep it with you porn stash, and then do stupid things.

**powder11** · 12-07-2006, 07:19 PM

alarms, locks and well trained dogs are more noticable to the burgler than a pistol locked in a safe. training a dog to protect your family is alot more fun and productive than having a loaded pistol under your pillow. everyone wants to blow away the fucker who breaks into the house, but its just not practical. train a police pedigree german shepherd instead. Ive seen these dogs in action. anyone stupid enough to break into your house will wish you had the pistol.