If only there was something we could do...

**californiagrown** · 05-09-2023, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by byates1

Let's get back to the original topic, how taking away guns from all responsible citizens

How stupid and irresponsible do you have to be in order to not be allowed guns?

to paraphrase George Carlin upthread, imagine how stupid and irresponsible the average american is. Now realize that half of americans are stupider and more irresponsible than that.

**Cisco Kid** · 05-09-2023, 10:04 AM

Pro tip from a salesman.

It's very poor salesmanship to constantly be telling your customers how smart and rich you are as a reason to buy what you are selling.

Oregon 2023
"The state House on Tuesday passed a firearms bill that would ban untraceable guns, raise the minimum age from 18 to 21 to purchase powerful firearms like semiautomatic weapons and allow local agencies to ban firearms on government property."

**CarlMega** · 05-09-2023, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by californiagrown

How stupid and irresponsible do you have to be in order to not be allowed guns?

I wonder if one of the ultra-pro gun people would like to take a flyer on explicitly detailing who shouldn't be allowed guns?

This is usually expressed from control side exclusively - but I think seeing the pro-gun list would be enlightening.

**byates1** · 05-09-2023, 10:09 AM

Anyone who plays call of duty 30 hours a week in a dark room would be a good start..

**CarlMega** · 05-09-2023, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by byates1

Anyone who plays call of duty 30 hours a week in a dark room would be a good start..

Sounds enforceable. But if you are mandating and opening the door for comprehensive investigation into personal behaviors and demonstrable mental suitability as a gate to purchase a firearm, let's say I'm intrigued.

**Ted Striker** · 05-09-2023, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by byates1

I certainly think we will see stronger gun laws coming in the future in blue states. Maybe a touch stronger in red states.

The larger issue is the crumbling and fracturing of society at large. Noone has any money. The middle class does not exist.

IMO, the dichotomy will grow with red states eventually having literally no gun laws, while blue states will have lots of stuff go through the legislators only to die on the chiefs' & sheriffs' desks.

As for the country as whole, there will be a tipping point from which it'll go full Australia or Venezuela.

**skaredshtles** · 05-09-2023, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by CarlMega

Sounds enforceable. But if you are mandating and opening the door for comprehensive investigation into personal behaviors and demonstrable mental suitability as a gate to purchase a firearm, let's say I'm intrigued.

Probably a good start would have been to simply put a fence around these people and escort them straight to the pokey:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/acride...57712757349667

**byates1** · 05-09-2023, 10:38 AM

I agree these ppl are wack jobs but unlike the 60 thousand drug addict homeless petty crime ppl in LA, they don't have any criminal record.

Here's a dark thought: direct all mass shooters to the homeless people. 2 birds one stone.

**CarlMega** · 05-09-2023, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Probably a good start would have been to simply put a fence around these people and escort them straight to the pokey:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/acride...57712757349667

I predict a lot of these people have linked a video making fun of 'low iq' ppl.

**Ted Striker** · 05-09-2023, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by skaredshtles

https://www.flickr.com/photos/acride...57712757349667

Literally every sign could just read I'm with stupid.

**skaredshtles** · 05-09-2023, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Ted Striker

Literally every sign could just read I'm with stupid.

Or, perhaps, more accurately:

**jackstraw** · 05-09-2023, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by byates1

Here's a dark thought: direct all mass shooters to the homeless people. 2 birds one stone.

You're a complete douchebag.

**Flounder** · 05-09-2023, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by byates1

Here's a dark thought: direct all mass shooters to the homeless people. 2 birds one stone.

Is this what they call compassionate conservatism? It’s not a “dark” thought, it’s actually pretty disturbing thought to not only have it but then also think it’s a good idea to post it on a public forum.

**byates1** · 05-09-2023, 10:55 AM

I said it was a dark thought.
I'm an addict in recovery and lean libertarian.

If I chose to continue drinking until I was shittng on your property, breaking into your car to fund my addiction, go ahead and put me out of my misery.

**mcphee** · 05-09-2023, 10:59 AM

^you’re doing a great job!

**Cisco Kid** · 05-09-2023, 11:21 AM

AA was helpful but not helpful alone.

**californiagrown** · 05-09-2023, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by CarlMega

I wonder if one of the ultra-pro gun people would like to take a flyer on explicitly detailing who shouldn't be allowed guns?

This is usually expressed from control side exclusively - but I think seeing the pro-gun list would be enlightening.

Reposted, because i would like to see this answered as well.

**From_the_NEK** · 05-09-2023, 12:18 PM

To continue the trend in older white guys shooting with reckless abandon for apparent slight transgressions:

Damn kids get off my lawn!
https://abcnews.go.com/US/14-year-gi...ry?id=99165059

14-year-old girl shot in head by neighbor after playing hide-and-seek on his property

**bennymac** · 05-09-2023, 12:25 PM

People are dumb. Therefore these hide and seek playing kids shoulda been armed!

Or at least have armed bodyguards around who can shoot first ask questions later.

That’s the solution apparently- because of some old guys from a time where women were too dumb to vote and black people could be owned and tortured - follow the wisdom of those dudes at all costs.

**riser4** · 05-09-2023, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by From_the_NEK

To continue the trend in older white guys shooting with reckless abandon for apparent slight transgressions:

Damn kids get off my lawn!
https://abcnews.go.com/US/14-year-gi...ry?id=99165059

14-year-old girl shot in head by neighbor after playing hide-and-seek on his property

Shit. We played green eyed ghost all over a rural neighborhood when I was 12. Total stealth, black clothing, all over everyone's property, including uninvolved civilians. Even in people's houses with them home without their knowledge. Glad I didn't get shot.

**ex-powderbroker** · 05-09-2023, 12:33 PM

This is what the founding fathers wanted, please respect their divine wishes.

ETA: infallible too

**TBS** · 05-09-2023, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by CarlMega

Sounds enforceable. But if you are mandating and opening the door for comprehensive investigation into personal behaviors and demonstrable mental suitability as a gate to purchase a firearm, let's say I'm intrigued.

A can of worms indeed.
How deep a review into their medical records will legislators and voters accept?

Recent history of restraining orders or domestic violence is a no-brainer. But how far back should investigators look?

How about voluntary commitment [some arbitrary number of] years ago?
Is an Rx for anti-depressants disqualifying? Bi-polar meds? Schizophrenia?

Must applicants undergo a battery of psychiatric tests?

What kind of (increased) responsibility will mental health providers have to report people they think may be a danger to themselves or others? They are mandatory reporters in OR, not sure about other states.

And what is the procedure for getting yourself off “danger” status?

**Ted Striker** · 05-09-2023, 01:10 PM

He saw "people running away" and shot. Brought to you by Carl's Jr

**californiagrown** · 05-09-2023, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by TBS

How deep a review into their medical records will legislators and voters accept?

Recent history of restraining orders or domestic violence is a no-brainer. But how far back should investigators look?

How about voluntary commitment [some arbitrary number of] years ago?
Is an Rx for anti-depressants disqualifying? Bi-polar meds? Schizophrenia?

Must applicants undergo a battery of psychiatric tests?

What kind of (increased) responsibility will mental health providers have to report people they think may be a danger to themselves or others? They are mandatory reporters in OR, not sure about other states.

And what is the procedure for getting yourself off “danger” status?

At least as deep as the military reviews medical records.

Anything more recent than 18 years ago (a "lifetime") should count.

Need a track record of SUCCESSFUL mental health treatment going back at least 5 years, and need a Dr's note every 3 months going forward. For any mental health issue.

No need for a battery of tests. A 20 minute interview should suffice. Something a little longer and a little more involved than the interview and paperwork needed to get TSA PreCheck or a NEXUS pass.

Healthcare providers should report dangerous individuals.

Getting off the "danger" list varies. For crime its 18 years clean. For mental health its showing a proven track record of succesful treatment, and showing continued successful treatment is being obtained.

Ill add that i think a physical fitness test should be required to own any non hunting specific firearm, or snubnose revolver. We want to make sure our militia is well regulated and in shape, right?

**J. Barron DeJong** · 05-09-2023, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by californiagrown

Ill add that i think a physical fitness test should be required to own any non hunting specific firearm, or snubnose revolver. We want to make sure our militia is well regulated and in shape, right?

Maybe just exclude everyone over 50. I mean, what kind aid half-assed militia would be recruiting geezers? (No offense to 90% of the people on here

.)