If only there was something we could do...

[bennymac]

The whole “you don’t have a perfect solution that will prevent all unnecessary gun deaths so come back when you do” is a perplexing stance

[SumJongGuy]

great, i agree. if the violence is going to slow it has to be much harder to acquire weapons. fortunately there are many ways to skin this cat, none of which are "banning guns" or debating nuances of mental illness that no one will ever agree on and would take doctors, specialists, and intrusive databases that may or may not be constitutional.

raise the age
require insurance
require storage
require training
ban gun shows and person to person sales
gun owners must have permits
no one with criminality not limited to domestic disputes, serious driving infractions, etc should have guns
anyone discharged or not fit for service can't have guns
assault rifles specially permitted like machine guns
etc and etc


lots of friction and removing guns from people who possess them that then disqualify themselves.

We'll need to carry out a massive education campaign to inform people (and remind SCOTUS) of that the original intent of the 2nd A was and still should be. That's the sticky wicket to all of this

The Hidden History of Guns and the Second Amendment: Understanding America's Gun-Control Nightmare

[sb]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zOJLGpfnX34

[ex-powderbroker]

is that video about simps getting in line to suck off a rapist?

[::: :::]

We'll need to carry out a massive education campaign to inform people (and remind SCOTUS) of that the original intent of the 2nd A was and still should be. That's the sticky wicket to all of this

The Hidden History of Guns and the Second Amendment: Understanding America's Gun-Control Nightmare

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zOJLGpfnX34

^^^ there’s your first candidate for the education program

[riser4]

Definitely need moar guns on the streets. https://www.wcax.com/2023/05/09/burl...town-shooting/

Burlington is turning into Beirut.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zOJLGpfnX34

I don’t think that video is targeted at the people you think it is. There’s more conformity, exclusion, repression and control projected by the white supremacist freedom loving ammosexuals than everyone else.

All I see is fear in a segment of white males that everyone will gain the same footing in society that they’ve enjoyed since the beginning. There are no inalienable rights, there are words written down by white males in power 250 years ago. The only rights we have are the rights granted by the society we choose to live in.


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[J. Barron DeJong]

I don’t think that video is targeted at the people you think it is. There’s more conformity, exclusion, repression and control projected by the white supremacist freedom loving ammosexuals than everyone else.

All I see is fear in a segment of white males that everyone will gain the same footing in society that they’ve enjoyed since the beginning. There are no inalienable rights, there are words written down by white males in power 250 years ago. The only rights we have are the rights granted by the society we choose to live in.


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Maybe someone can draw a Venn diagram of 1) die-hard 2A supporters and 2) people who will vote in favor of the ex-president who urged his followers to undermine the transfer of power in fair elections, to help explain the situation?

[sb]

is that video about simps getting in line to suck off a rapist?

How nice for you to share your deepest fantasy with the board.

Everyone creates their own hell and you have only just started.

Congrats!

[Ted Striker]

Need a better ignore function on this forum. For someone I’m trying to ignore, Leroy is really taking up a lot of screen real estate.

Like a blind squirrel that finds a nut, he was espousing the virtues of democratic socialism, without ever coming around to seeing it.

[leroy jenkins]

What's the current rationale for not putting armed security guards in schools? I think that's a great step to take NOW, whether or not additional restrictions on gun ownership are implemented.

I'd gladly pay the additional property tax or whatever to fund that. What parent with kids in school wouldn't? The kids already have to think about these things and practice for the worst--It's an unfortunate reality, and seeing a security guard isn't going to make them feel less safe at this point??

Because of the amount of guns of all types out in the wild currently, this problem will continue long after gun control legislation is enacted, if we don't protect/secure schools better.

I'm not saying this is the only thing we should do, but let's do THIS now!! There's no sticky constitutional issues to overcome and it should have an immediate effect on deterring these douche bags.

"It's not enough" is a stupid argument because it is something, which is more than nothing, which is what is currently being done.

Security gaurds is a great idea.

the rationale for not putting cops in schools is that if they have nothing to do but wait around, they'd just start focusing on the kids who aren't going to be mass shooters, and start proactively involving them in the prison industrial system from an early age because cops are often somewhat brainwashed into viewing that as a good thing. Lets just get em ALL in the system where we can keep an eye on em, except that even involvement with the system for very trivial things has a negative often destructive effect on kids and their ability to function.

But security guards I'm all for.

I also think a lot could be done to just minimize access to schools through certain checkpoints without making the kids feel they're being educated in Auschwitz. Many of the schools that have had school shootings didn't even have basic fences. A basic fence combined with some cameras and one dude stationed at the access point to get through the fence who's watching the cameras to see if anyone is climbing them and can call the cops, would prevent plenty of mass shootings, without traumatizing mass numbers of kids as a side effect.

[leroy jenkins]

you specifically keep bringing it up when no one else does

Banning guns? I mean the ideal number of laws restricting firearms is always status quo + few new ones, so yea, I don't think I'm far off. Besides, some of you are bringing it up.

Also, none of you seem to want to talk about much else besides restricting firearms. this is largely not a discussion in search of solutions, but a place to cope with the harshness of reality by just blaming guns because thats simple and easy for you guys. Simpler than reality, because its incredibly divicive and isn't going to solve the problem, or even be possible to restrict guns enough to solve these problems if thats your only focus.

[leroy jenkins]

There are ~100k public schools in the US, 2 armed officers in each school making 100k a year = 20 B / year. You think we could afford it?

Maybe if we stopped giving huge tax breaks to corporations. Maybe if we stopped imprisoning so many people for petty bullshit. Absolutely seems worth it to me. We could probably afford another 20b to pay our teachers better, and another 20b to federally fund education in poorer districts, but our entire society is so short sighted we don't view education as a valuable investment en masse.

As I said previously, it wouldn't even need to be 2 guards at a lot of schools. Just a fence, cameras, and one full time guard and maybe one part time.

[leroy jenkins]

Like a blind squirrel that finds a nut, he was espousing the virtues of democratic socialism, without ever coming around to seeing it.

Democracy is a wonderful ideal and socialism is a spectrum. We already have socialism in this country. The question is just what kinds and how much are ideal.

If you're trying to call me a nazi, the nazis were neither democratic nor socialists.

[leroy jenkins]

We'll need to carry out a massive education campaign to inform people (and remind SCOTUS) of that the original intent of the 2nd A was and still should be. That's the sticky wicket to all of this

The Hidden History of Guns and the Second Amendment: Understanding America's Gun-Control Nightmare

Back in the day civilians were allowed and encouraged to own fully functional warships and all the armament that went along with them.

[leroy jenkins]

You keep going on about how the discussion isn't happening instead of actually talking about real policy implementations that would put a dent in the issue.

You seem to have lots of words, if it hasn't been discussed adequately feel free to post something about these issues that generates a discussion.

I could monologue about my ideas, but I'm not omniscient. A democratic discourse involving more people than just me to brainstorm ideas IS an idea that I do believe in. If I'm the only one doing it it's going to be useless. The discourse and the common willingness to engage in it are themselves essential. Its not just about the ideas, but about people en masse being willing to focus on what can be agreed upon and not just what can be fought over. One person doing it is a lecture or a monologue not a discourse.

But yea, especially when some of you guys criticize pro 2a people for not being willing to have that conversation I will point out that I am totally willing and some of you seem not to be.

I have touched on things I think would help. If anyone is willing to interact with those ideas we can go more in depth and see what solutions can be found, but the unity is just as necessary as the ideas.

If anyone really can't focus on anything but gun restrictions I think that is because of their fear and hatred driving them more than any sort of compassion.

[leroy jenkins]

Would those guys that have been blasting kids in their yards and driveways been screened out for mental reasons? Cleveland TX? The Uvalde shooter? Sandy Hook? Nashville? Louisville? I could go on.

Yes some would. if not for mental health diagnosis, then for a history of making obvious threats on social media straight up saying they were about to kill people.

We don't need to violate hippa or the 2a to do something about those people. I do fear various slippery slopes but everyone knows if someone makes threats about assassinating politicians especially the president online they're going to get a visit from the secret service. Why is it that different for someone to say they're going to shoot up a school? It does not seem like a slippery slope to me really. There is a certain line that it would verge into some sort of precrime bullshit, but it seems like in many cases that line has been far from the reality of how law enforcement has handled these things.

there is also just the fact the world isn't perfect, and a free society needs to err on the side of letting some guilty go free rather than sending some innocent to jail, and this also applies to letting some potentially dangerous stay free rather than sending innocent not potentially dangerous to jail and thats something we all need to accept unless we're willing to just accept tyranny.

Mass shooting recently in germany, with very strict gun control laws. You'll never make the world a safe place, but you can make places like schools less easy targets, and give people the freedom to protect themselves.


Besides, wasn't Louisville the guy who said he did it to get gun control passed? Hard to imagine a more hateful irrational self defeating motive than that.

[mcphee]

Lol. Lmao.

[riser4]

Funny, my view looks like that too.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Auschwitz, I think you could have found a better metaphor LeRoi


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[PNWbrit]

Auschwitz, I think you could have found a better metaphor LeRoi

Leroy's grandfather died at Auschwitz.

He fell out his guard tower.

[Ted Striker]

Literally lol'd at that one.

[Cisco Kid]

Mass shooting scorecard 2023 ytd

Germany 1 - USA 202

[riser4]

Mass shooting scorecard 2023 ytd

Germany 1 - USA 202

Woot woot! We're winning!

[mcski]

Lol. Lmao.

I was wondering how many pages got filled w that message earlier lol. Thx!