If only there was something we could do...

[Tap]

Yeah, we’re still waiting for a “good guy with a gun” to stop one of these massacres. What a bullshit rationale.

[Cono Este]

Mark me as a gun owner who wants change. I just want people who know what they are talking about making the change. Not shotgun joe or some other idiot more worried about the next election.

I know this is not popular, but banning AR’s is not enough. Weird to say that, but everyday it’s handguns that kill people.

Ban gun show and private sales.
Register all weapons.
Make Ar’s at least NFA items, if not ban them.
Ban the cops from selling the evidence locker weapons and dept guns.
Add tax to upgrade background checks and registry.

Amongst other common sense shot, the most important, if you commit a crime with a gun, or get caught with an unregistered gun, or are a felon in possession of a gun, mandatory sentencing. No early release. No fucking $100 bail like we have in St. Louis. It’s the same criminals and repeat offenders.

I’m sure someone will have a problem with all that, but it’s a two or three prong approach including enforcement. We have no enforcement so it all means shit until we do.

[mcski]

All of that. Yes, the quiet part that does not get said enough is that hand guns are worse than assault weapons in many, many ways

[Bunion 2020]

I support the last 2 posts.

[riser4]

Guns are always the answer: https://www.wcax.com/2023/05/05/mont...eway-shooting/

[SumJongGuy]

Cash bail at any level is inherently unfair to poor people.

[TBS]

Same question when it comes to teachers putting themselves between a shooter and your kids. The only people who get recruited, trained and paid to do that are cops.

Police are definitely not trained to stand between shooters and civilians

I used to work in the hunting industry which obviously had a lot of overlap with a portion of the gun industry.

I think you'd be surprised. I knew gun store owners who strongly supported rigorous background checks.

This is encouraging. ID has an initiative process, no? Could take it out of the legislature’s hands…

But then, it only takes one activist judge to gum up the the will of the people.

Example Oregon - initiative from the voters passed to limit magazine size to 10 rounds(*), dig deeper on background checks, and require certification that people know how to responsibly use and store the firearm purchased.

Bunch of County sheriffs were refusing to enforce it because the extra background checks and competency tests fall on their shoulders, and they don’t want the extra work. You’d think they would want to be proactive about minimizing the number of crazy gun owners, but no…

Then the 2A crowd found a judge in a county with more cattle than people to grant a stay on enforcement. So now we wait to implement. Pisses me off.

(*) Both my dad and grandfather always ranted “WTF do people need with huge magazines. If ya can’t kill your target in two rounds, you need to spend more time at the range”. But when I came up I had to go thru Hunter Safety training every year until like 16 to get my license.

Ironically, training was thru NRA, with volunteer instructors. Those guys took it seriously.

[ex-powderbroker]

“I was on the phone with 911 and I was telling them we have a mass casualty incident," he said. "The first girl I walked up to was crouched down covering her head in the bushes, so I felt for a pulse, pulled her head to the side and she had no face."

from USA Today

[J. Barron DeJong]

I’d just like to point out that when people like Gov. Abott say the real issue is mental health, they’re just throwing out bullshit to distract.

Texas is one of 10 states that hasn’t taken up the Medicaid expansion that was passed under Obamacare. It’s virtually free to the state.

If the concern was addressing mental health, it would be a no brainer to support it and push to get it passed. But the people who blame mental health don’t actually care to do anything about mental health, they just want to make sure nothing is done about guns.

[The Reverend Floater]

Police are definitely not trained to stand between shooters and civilians



This is encouraging. ID has an initiative process, no? Could take it out of the legislature’s hands…

But then, it only takes one activist judge to gum up the the will of the people.

Example Oregon - initiative from the voters passed to limit magazine size to 10 rounds(*), dig deeper on background checks, and require certification that people know how to responsibly use and store the firearm purchased.

Bunch of County sheriffs were refusing to enforce it because the extra background checks and competency tests fall on their shoulders, and they don’t want the extra work. You’d think they would want to be proactive about minimizing the number of crazy gun owners, but no…

Then the 2A crowd found a judge in a county with more cattle than people to grant a stay on enforcement. So now we wait to implement. Pisses me off.

(*) Both my dad and grandfather always ranted “WTF do people need with huge magazines. If ya can’t kill your target in two rounds, you need to spend more time at the range”. But when I came up I had to go thru Hunter Safety training every year until like 16 to get my license.

Ironically, training was thru NRA, with volunteer instructors. Those guys took it seriously.

The Oregon initiative was indeed foolish in that it put the administration on law enforcement. You're talking about a major metropolitan area that doesn't have enough man power to police the streets to any sort of reasonable degree as it stands and is regularly called out accordingly. Personally, I can't see how expecting the Multnomah County, Clackamas or Washington County Sheriff to process tens of thousands of applications was going to work.

Good intentions, but not even vaguely pragmatic. But, such is Oregon. Always has been, probably always will.

Idaho will never willingly pass meaningful gun reform at a state level. Too many chucklefucks here who absolutely devour stupidity. I could see Ada county and perhaps Blaine and/or Teton but even those are long shots.

[SumJongGuy]

Addressing the mental health issues with actual government paid professional healthcare makes it easier to document the red flag situations and adding mental health evaluations to CCW/CCW requirements documentation. The people throwing the biggest fits objecting to "common sense" regulation are also the ones most likely to fail those mental health evaluations. Abbott is working the cold dead hands crowd as he and the are the polar opposite to Beto's progressive position

[TBS]

The Oregon initiative was indeed foolish in that it put the administration on law enforcement. You're talking about a major metropolitan area that doesn't have enough man power to police the streets to any sort of reasonable degree as it stands and is regularly called out accordingly. Personally, I can't see how expecting the Multnomah County, Clackamas or Washington County Sheriff to process tens of thousands of applications was going to work.

The sheriffs are allowed under the law to charge enough for the checks and certifications to cover their costs.

And it’s not the big counties that are saying they won’t enforce it. It’s the tiny counties. And again, they can charge enough to cover their costs. But they wanted to be all MAGA…

Who would you have do the background checks and certs?

[The Reverend Floater]

The sheriffs are allowed under the law to charge enough for the checks and certifications to cover their costs.

And it’s not the big counties that are saying they won’t enforce it. It’s the tiny counties. And again, they can charge enough to cover their costs. But they wanted to be all MAGA…

Who would you have do the background checks and certs?

I'm not an expert but I'd assume the State Police might be a better option.

[Cisco Kid]

IME the biggest hurdle in adding another duty to an already understaffed/underfunded unit in the org chart. Small sheriffs office hasn't even got time for crime these days.

Idaho Background Check Unit maybe
https://healthandwelfare.idaho.gov/bcu

[TBS]

Staties could be a good option, if there’s sufficient coverage - there’s only 17 staffed OSP command posts covering 36 counties.

And for the millionth time, the law enforcement agencies can hire extra people to do this - paid for by permit fees. The whole “overburdened law enforcement” schtick is Union bullshit

The big issue is that the 2A crowd found a judge in the hinterlands willing to put the breaks on this because plaintiffs claim the 10 round limit and having to subject to more rigorous background check violated their rights under OR constitution, to wit “The people shall have the right to bear arms for the defence [sic] of themselves, and the State”.

As Tap pointed out above, assault rifles are not legitimate civilian defensive weapons. I think the same could be said for say, a 19-round Glock 19.

But the 2A crowd wants unfettered immediate access for people incapable of wiping their own ass, (as Bunion so eloquently pointed out upthread.

They’re like a bunch of evangelicals

[ex-powderbroker]

They’re like a bunch of evangelicals

no, they are literally the evangelicals.

[riser4]

no, they are literally the evangelicals.

Praise the baby Jesus and pass the ammunition.

[Peruvian]

It's almost as if the Federal and State Constitutions can't be amended or something......

[zion zig zag]

And for the millionth time, the law enforcement agencies can hire extra people to do this - paid for by permit fees. The whole “overburdened law enforcement” schtick is Union bullshit

Oh shit, is it that easy, just hire some more people? I’ll run over to the local PD that hasn’t been fully staffed for the last three years and tell them they can just hire more people.

[gaijin]

Wow, I’m post # 5371.

If only there was something you could do.

5000+ posts and you guys are still yelling at each other.

Well played.


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[TBS]

Oh shit, is it that easy, just hire some more people? I’ll run over to the local PD that hasn’t been fully staffed for the last three years and tell them they can just hire more people.

Our local PD just increased their headcount by 50%…paid for by a property tax levy

Inability to hire officers reflects shitty leadership (management and union) or the taxpayers unwillingness to fund services

[Meadow Skipper]

Inability to hire officers reflects shitty…taxpayers unwillingness to fund services

Because they don’t want checks or to register their guns, among other things.

[zion zig zag]

Our local PD just increased their headcount by 50%…paid for by a property tax levy

Inability to hire officers reflects shitty leadership (management and union) or the taxpayers unwillingness to fund services

And as soon as the department next door pays a dollar an hour more, you’ll lose 35% of those new hires and several tenured people.

See how enthusiastic the taxpayers are to raise their taxes again this time next year for another pay increase.

[TBS]

Pussy excuses.

So, how would you go about expanding background checks and ensure gun purchasers have the skills to handle firearms?

Or do you not give a shit? Because you’ve never struck me as that kind of person…

[Bunion 2020]

Raise the taxes on ammo and weapon sales, clearly these are already plenty cheap. Time to start taxing them at a higher rate to cover the cost of their impact on society.