ON3P SKIS Discussion

[PowTron]

damn, we haven't talked skis in a minute. are you referencing the first pair you grabbed a few years back? i didn't think you were too into it at the time.

i like my caylors enough that the k106 may be my next buy after my cochise die.

It is a K108 now and is a much better all around ski from the K106 in regards to rocker profile and tip and tail taper.

It's quickly become our best selling ski. You wouldn't be disappointed at all on a pair.

[auvgeek]

^^I'm actually a little annoyed I bought a backup pair of extra-stiff 191 BGs now. Those sound pretty sick!

[PowTron]

^^I'm actually a little annoyed I bought a backup pair of extra-stiff 191 BGs now. Those sound pretty sick!

Still great skis. These may or may not ever become available so not a bad call to have backups [emoji106]

[Bruce Springskiin]

https://youtu.be/sh2M3Buiauo

Spotted some ON3P on the tube this morning
I did not catch the skiers name or recognize him, but a little exposure to a new crowd

[PowTron]

https://youtu.be/sh2M3Buiauo

Spotted some ON3P on the tube this morning
I did not catch the skiers name or recognize him, but a little exposure to a new crowd

That's Karl Fostvedt.

[Bruce Springskiin]

That's Karl Fostvedt.

Ah ha, probably should have known that.

[Drunken Shytbird]

^^Looks sick. I bet it's really similar to my old 191 Billy Goat but with slightly more effective edge.

Also, I've been meaning to post this, but I'm still head over heels for my extra-stiff 186 Jeffrey 110s. I skied them nearly every day last week in Wolf Creek. No speed limit that I can find (and I've tried), progressive mount, just an awesome ski. I bet an extra-stiff K106 would be similarly stoke-inducing. They work really well for the lighter pow of a continental snowpack, and despite the resort getting quite a bit of snow, I never grabbed my Billy Goats. I could easily ski them as a one-ski quiver there.

I don't really like them in heavy, deep, cut-up pow/chop, but that's because the balance point is weird with such a progressive mount. I grab my Billy Goats for those conditions anyway, since they're the best ski for those conditions I've found. The K106 and Billy Goat would make the perfect two ski quiver, IMO. (Both extra-stiff, if you like 'em that way.) Edit: If you don't care about landing switch, the Wren 108 probably makes more sense than the K106.

Do you mean a K108??? Yeah, with a -4.25 factory mount I've found the same issues with heavy, deep cut up chop, but you get used to it. I've also found that the K108 is a pretty damn decent pow ski. The softer tips really wanna float. Kinda surprised me really with that mount point and only a 186 that its such a good pow ski (for what it is).
Kinda wondering how good a resort deep chop/pow ski the K116 would be mounted back -5 to maybe -6 for a 2 ski quiver with my K108. Also, thinking about just going back to a Bibby because I know those will mach through deep chop and I'm used to a more center mounted ski now and don't want to have to transition from more center mounted to traditional mount points like a BG. Never skied a BG though, so maybe I would love it.

[Sessiøn]

Do you mean a K108??? Yeah, with a -4.25 factory mount I've found the same issues with heavy, deep cut up chop, but you get used to it. I've also found that the K108 is a pretty damn decent pow ski. The softer tips really wanna float. Kinda surprised me really with that mount point and only a 186 that its such a good pow ski (for what it is).
Kinda wondering how good a resort deep chop/pow ski the K116 would be mounted back -5 to maybe -6 for a 2 ski quiver with my K108. Also, thinking about just going back to a Bibby because I know those will mach through deep chop and I'm used to a more center mounted ski now and don't want to have to transition from more center mounted to traditional mount points like a BG. Never skied a BG though, so maybe I would love it.

I ski the K116 on the line. I fucking love it, and this is coming freom someone who spent a few years on the BG. I'm going to be getting a K108 as a DD.

They changed up soome things from last year that really improves the Kartel lines all mountain performance.

[Drunken Shytbird]

I ski the K116 on the line. I fucking love it, and this is coming freom someone who spent a few years on the BG. I'm going to be getting a K108 as a DD.

They changed up soome things from last year that really improves the Kartel lines all mountain performance.

Yeah, I'm on the new 186 K108 and I really like it. At first, I maybe wished it was a little stiffer in the tips, but then it wouldn't float pow as well.
How does your K116 do in deep resort chop & pow compared to a Goat, or maybe you've skied a Bibby as well and you can compare it to that. You will like the K108, it does everything so well, except maybe tracked out deeper chop. It doesn't do badly by any means, but it doesn't eat it up like a OG Bibby. Sometimes the Bibby in a 190 can be a bit much though when you get tired. At least for my 53 yo ass. Never felt that on my Kartel. Ski it hard or back off and its still a super fun ski. Oh, and it's durable as fuck. Ran over 3 rocks today and when I checked, I almost shit...nothing. No damage!

[nyskirat]

Skied the Steeple 102 w/ Kingpins for the first times in JH the last few days. Really fun ski to tour on. Performed great in about 10-14 inches of pow, some chunder on the run outs, windbuff, and in the narrowest couloir I've ever skied (Son of Apocalypse in GTNP)

[auvgeek]

Do you mean a K108???

Yes, updated all my posts to reflect that. Sorry for any confusion. I demoed the new K108. I've never skied the K106.

Re the tips: I like to ski reasonably fast, and I can't stand stuffing a tip at speed, which is why I can't stand soft tips.

I also didn't love the 190 OG Bibby compared to the BG. Not nearly as confidence inspiring at speed as my stiff BGs in pow or tracked pow. My pair of extra-stiff Jeffreys is like the OG Bibby 10 mm narrower and a bit stiffer.

[Bruce Springskiin]

What is up with these traditional (-4&6) mounts? I have put my boot on the line where ON3P suggests and do not have any regrets. All of the skis like to be skied with some forward pressure, and some like the Wren are less forgiving for hanging in the back seat. I am of the impression ON3P puts a lot of thought into the suggested boot center mark. So what are you trying to gain with a -4 mount

[auvgeek]

What is up with these traditional (-4&6) mounts? I have put my boot on the line where ON3P suggests and do not have any regrets. All of the skis like to be skied with some forward pressure, and some like the Wren are less forgiving for hanging in the back seat. I am of the impression ON3P puts a lot of thought into the suggested boot center mark. So what are you trying to gain with a -4 mount

I'm pretty sure that's referring to the location of the factory mount from the true center of the ski. -4.25 cm from true center is pretty progressive. Why anyone would buy a jibby ski with the intention of mounting -4 to -6 from recommended instead of buying a ski with the sidecut centered farther back is beyond me, though shroom had a fair amount of success mounting his JJ's really far back because he already had them and didn't want to spring for new sticks. He might still be skiing them...

[Bruce Springskiin]

Thank you for the clarification. I should have thought about it more, and it would have made sense.

[Drunken Shytbird]

I'm pretty sure that's referring to the location of the factory mount from the true center of the ski. -4.25 cm from true center is pretty progressive. Why anyone would buy a jibby ski with the intention of mounting -4 to -6 from recommended instead of buying a ski with the sidecut centered farther back is beyond me, though shroom had a fair amount of success mounting his JJ's really far back because he already had them and didn't want to spring for new sticks. He might still be skiing them...

Well, since the K108 is becoming their most popular ride, I guess not everybody agrees. I too was a traditional mounted Guy, but after getting on first a Bibby and then a PB&J, I decided they were more fun and I didn't really give up anything with a ski mounted at -4.25 (PB&J & K Series) to -6 (OG Bibby). The K108 doesn't have "soft tips"- just soft enough to plane up in pow. I'm 210 geared up and I'm on the 186 K108 and it does pretty good in anything except countertop hard steep shit with a decent tune. It is an exceptional ski. Skied some variable variable (haha) today and they kick ass. No, its not as stable as a Wren 112, but it gives you so much more versatility. The more I ski it the more I like it. I still think if I end up getting a K116 that I'm moving the mount back another 1 cm because it will be my resort chop/pow ski. YMMV.

[galibier_numero_un]

Hey @PowTron ! What kind of demo bindings are you folks using this year? Can I squeeze a WTR boot into them if I sign a waver (Lange XT-130 Freetour)?

I see a Steeple 108 in my future.

Thanks,
Thom

[auvgeek]

Well, since the K108 is becoming their most popular ride, I guess not everybody agrees.

What are you saying people disagree with...?

I certainly acknowledge that I'm in the minority of skis who want a K108 with stiffer tips and tails, but that's the beauty of ON3P being able to mill their cores in house. Scott has been more than accommodating when I've asked him to build me custom skis in the past. This is TGR after all—I'm not the only one who likes stiff skis. I'm just saying if you want a ski with Wren-like stability, but a forward, so-called "progressive" mount and the ability to skis/land switch, a custom K108 is a good solution. The custom Jeffreys I have are exactly that, and I would bet a custom K108 would be even better.

[unpossible]

Hey @PowTron ! What kind of demo bindings are you folks using this year? Can I squeeze a WTR boot into them if I sign a waver (Lange XT-130 Freetour)?

I see a Steeple 108 in my future.

Thanks,
Thom

Pretty sure they are still using the Attack 13's.

[galibier_numero_un]

Pretty sure they are still using the Attack 13's.

Thanks! I know that folks can jam a WTR sole into an STH toe, but I'm unfamiliar with the AAAttacks from this perspective.

Cheers,
Thom

[Bruce Springskiin]

You should be fine with the attack. I can not remember if the AFD is adjustable. But I use a variety of boots in the adrenaline

[galibier_numero_un]

You should be fine with the attack. I can not remember if the AFD is adjustable. But I use a variety of boots in the adrenaline

Thanks! I suppose it all boils down to whether the liability release indemnifies ON3P (legal blah, blah, blah) to the point where they're comfortable with it.

Cheers,
Thom

[XavierD]

I skied at Attack 13 demo binding with my WTR soles (Freetour) the other day. Adjusted enough to fit just fine. Not sure if the ON3P demo team will be down.

[zartagen]

The afd height is adjustable, but it doesn't move side to side (for release), so I would think any sole with rubber under the toe would not work.

Edit: just looked up Lange's wtr sole. Looks like it has plastic on the toe, so you'd probably be good

[mr_pretzel]

Some Billy stoke

[mr_pretzel]

Also anyone have any 186 viciks they want to sell me?