ON3P SKIS Discussion

[whyturn]

Billy goat rocks. What about a bigger BG? Not longer but fatter and still had same character. Not the wren cause I'm past that point on most days ;(

[auvgeek]

Buy BGs now. Ski LPs when it's hasn't snowed in weeks, and save for the Wren 108 for the summer. If you didn't have the LPs, I'd say do that opposite: buy Wren 108 now and save for BGs.

With the new Wren 108 that skis pow better and the new BG that skis hardpack better, you can't really go wrong with either.

[tenB]

Side note...
When you sell gear to a mag "minty fresh" means not a scratch -- not on the bases, not on the topsheet, indistinguishable from new (minus, presumably one set of holes.) So, eat a bag of dicks on the Steeples you sold me last Spring.
...carry on.

The BGs and C&Ds I just bought from him were in perfect mint condition as described. So you waited 10 months to publicly flame him about the condition of the skis??

[Norseman]

Buy BGs now. Ski LPs when it's hasn't snowed in weeks, and save for the Wren 108 for the summer. If you didn't have the LPs, I'd say do that opposite: buy Wren 108 now and save for BGs.

With the new Wren 108 that skis pow better and the new BG that skis hardpack better, you can't really go wrong with either.

Exactly.

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As for the personal disputes, whining, and disgruntled bullshit, please take that elsewhere. This thread is a source of great stoke and information, and has been cunted up enough.

[uglymoney]

189 ON3P Wrenegade 108
189 ON3P Billy Goat

Thanks for taking the time to read this if you did, and I apologize to those who rightfully will say that this topic has been covered fairly extensively already.

My experience with ON3P Billy Goats. Many years on first year Billy 186. A few runs on a friends later Billy 176 on hardpack that seemed super loose but not able to really be able to set an edge on hardpack. Three days on this years 184 BG. I'm a 20-25 day a year weekend warrior from the midwest/formerly decent skier.

I had a couple pow days last week. On Friday they reported 4 new at T-Ride but it skied deeper in places. I'm all messed up in the head and skiing mostly like shit (between complete gaper when my legs are shot with very occasional shadows of my old self breaking through for a couple turns) this year because of ACL surgery last March 21st. Unfortunately while I have recovered decent enough I still have a lot of strength to make up and am a humbled washed up piece of shit now but still... on the 4 inch day at T Ride I debated taking my 88 Brahma's out which are my primary go to beloved ride but took the 16/17 BG instead and man they were great. So loose in the powdery bumps and in the trees they kill. Much less tendency to throw me over the handlebars than my original BG. Way, way better on the groomers. Killer on soft chop omg and this is where there new awesome carveability really comes into play. My pal who is skiing way better than me right now (temporary I hope) was on some Gotama's and in the chop I left him in the dust. On the first day I took them out at Snowbird the old powder was heavy crap stuff and I did feel like the tails needed detuned but that might be at least partially a function of my super lame tentative back seat not able to drive the ski style that day. There was absolutely no issue with the tails not wanting to wash out on demand once I was in a little better snow and skiing a little better later last week.

I also debated between the Wren 98, 108, and BG knowing I already have the Brahma at 88. The reason I bought new BG and gave the crew at ON3P more of my money is that the first BG were magical and really elevated my skiing in a lot of situations but as everyone knows they had their problems. So much pleasure derived though and so many times I crushed everything on them. The new BG are better in every way for sure and cover a much wider spectrum of conditions and I am super happy with my decision. Still not a replacement for a Wren, or Cochise (which I think the Cochise is the most boring ski I have ever ridden) or something like that but now that I have the BG I am in no hurry to fill that middle slot in my quiver. YMMV.

[jackattack]

The BGs and C&Ds I just bought from him were in perfect mint condition as described. So you waited 10 months to publicly flame him about the condition of the skis??

Sorry if I offended your gear-whore.

Normally, I wouldn't say anything. Was i disappointed in the condition when I received them? Yes, but there was nothing there that wasn't going to happen after a week at Mission. Then he spends the summer and fall continuously wagging his dick, talking about how jacked he is, and whining that ON3P doesn't make burly skis for big dudes. Fuck that.

And then theres this:

I blasted a shark on my steeple 112s last year, and flew out of my bindings. I was positive there would be a core shot, but when I looked there was nothing..

Followed by this:

Secondly, what a piece of work, If i did in fact sell them to you. They were mint when I shipped them out, I used them 3 times. Were they not new enough for you to not spend retail? Maybe i should have just given them to you for free?

Fuck that too. ON3P bases are tough, but rocks do leave scratches. Minty fresh is not "blasted a shark" one time.

keep on charging bros.

edit- I apologize for my role in cunting up this thread, but goddam a man can only take so much bullshit.

[TahoeJ]

I like to ski hard and fast and as much as I love untracked snow the challenge of holding it together in chop and laying trenches can be as satisfying and is more of a reality for me because I ski 6 days a week, no matter the conditions.

To follow-up on my other response, this is specifically why I said Wren without hesitating. It has a higher speed limit than the BG and loves to be driven. The BG's do too, but not quite the same.

[iggyskier]

I bought a pair of used wren 113s from On3p directly this fall. They were described as perfect, but when I got them they were not.. did i bitch? No, i said nothing.

If you have issues with the skis, please let us know. This was a pair of 191cm Wren 113 with 1 mount and skied 1 day (I was told 3 runs). I won't post the price but suffice it to say, it was a good deal (as you just happened to catch us right at the right time when someone decided they wanted to send them back after 1 day).

I normally do not publicly respond to these type of things, but when you are telling us...
"Wow, everything looks amazing. Wrens are mint! besides the mount, its as if they were never skied!"

But posting otherwise, I am going to respond. I know you had some questions on the camber, but as stated in our emails, the camber on those skis is as it is designed.

If you have any further problems, you can always reach out to us directly. Thanks.

[TAFKALVS]

Buy BGs now. Ski LPs when it's hasn't snowed in weeks

I think BG and LP105s would be an excellent 2 ski quiver. Seconded.

[2FUNKY]

I think BG and LP105s would be an excellent 2 ski quiver. Seconded.

Thirded.

[2FUNKY]

As for the personal disputes, whining, and disgruntled bullshit, please take that elsewhere. This thread is a source of great stoke and information, and has been cunted up enough.

This. Right. Here.

[Kopi_Red]

I think BG and LP105s would be an excellent 2 ski quiver. Seconded.

Thirded.

Yeah. What they said.

[mattig]

Just another reason for me to spend a few extra bucks on a superior, local ski, so I too can own something in as elegant and satisfying a manner as ON3P just owned aevergreene. This post alone was worth some Charlie Murphy's for the boy.

See you guys when we expand the quiver!

[uglymoney]

Just another reason for me to spend a few extra bucks on a superior, local ski, so I too can own something in as elegant and satisfying a manner as ON3P just owned aevergreene. This post alone was worth some Charlie Murphy's for the boy.

See you guys when we expand the quiver!

Friend bought some Charlie Murphies and they are outstanding kids skis.

Family quiver pic. 184 16/17 BG for dad. 176 102 15/16 Wrens for stepson. 161 Viciks for the wife.

[klauss]

this thread delivers

[Bruce Springskiin]

A little further ON3P stoke. I had my dad and sister visiting yesterday. Jackson had fresh snow so I set them up with skis and passes for the day at the king. Dad on 191 BG Tours, sister on 186 Jeffrey 114. Both skis a bit out of their norm and over sized. I told them to stay forward, and roll the skis on edge to turn. What I expected to be two hours of skiing ended up at 5. My sister called the Jeffrey 'cake makers' turned everything into a piece of cake. And she is about 5-9" 130 ISH I'll be looking for some used Jessie's for her, as her passion for skiing was STOKED.

[Norseman]

Nice, dude! Amazing what modern ski shapes do to the stoke meter.

[Reformed]

Nice, dude! Amazing what modern ski shapes do to the stoke meter.

Indeed. I'm a quick phone call away from pulling the trigger on some Steeple 108s based on my recent BG experience. My only hang up is length. Usually this is easy, but the BGs that I skied were 176s from the 14/15. They looked and felt short but I was impressed with the float and stability that they offered for being so short. I can't ski the Steeple before buying it, so I'm looking for any input before I do so. Current quiver includes Bibby 190 for pow and crud at the hill, Deathwish 190 for touring and 2013/14 Cochise 185 for firm days at the hill. I like all of these skis and think that they are the correct length for their application. Steeples will replace Deathwishes and be mounted with dynafits, so they won't see much inbounds action (in theory anyhow - they might steal some of the Bibby's time if they ski like I think they will in pow). 189 seems like the obvious choice, but would like to know if anyone thinks I'm out to lunch and should go 184. I'm just over 6 feet tall, weigh ~180 and like to ski as fast as conditions and skills allow (faster than many, slower than some for sure). What says the collective?

[XavierD]

There are two types of powder skis: RES and everything else.

[adrenalated]

Indeed. I'm a quick phone call away from pulling the trigger on some Steeple 108s based on my recent BG experience. My only hang up is length. Usually this is easy, but the BGs that I skied were 176s from the 14/15. They looked and felt short but I was impressed with the float and stability that they offered for being so short. I can't ski the Steeple before buying it, so I'm looking for any input before I do so. Current quiver includes Bibby 190 for pow and crud at the hill, Deathwish 190 for touring and 2013/14 Cochise 185 for firm days at the hill. I like all of these skis and think that they are the correct length for their application. Steeples will replace Deathwishes and be mounted with dynafits, so they won't see much inbounds action (in theory anyhow - they might steal some of the Bibby's time if they ski like I think they will in pow). 189 seems like the obvious choice, but would like to know if anyone thinks I'm out to lunch and should go 184. I'm just over 6 feet tall, weigh ~180 and like to ski as fast as conditions and skills allow (faster than many, slower than some for sure). What says the collective?

I think that I'd make this call based on the terrain you'll most often be skiing. I doubt you'd have any issues skiing the 189, but if you're skiing mostly tight trees you might consider the 184. Otherwise, 189.

[XavierD]

I'd get the 184s if I was you. I have been skiing a 184 BG for a few days this year and was impressed by the stability and performance . For pure resort use I would stick to 189 but if touring is a reality I'd get the 184s.

[sf]

Can anybody compare the Kartel 108 to the Black Crows Atris? 186/189?
I bought the Atris last year, looking for a playful allrounder, but I never really fell in love. Contrary to reviews and comments I felt they didn't do anything particulary well, so I sold them.
I still want an easy going allrounder, but maybe it's the centre mount that doesn't work for me?
Love BGs, liked EHPs, GPOs were ok, loved OG C&Ds, wren 102s are ok, favourite teleskis were Rossi Ravyns. Not sold on Protests. Praxis BCs were good......
End drunken rant.....

Maybe a Wren 108 in a softer lay-up is the answer?

[XavierD]

I like my K108s mounted -2cm from the line. They ski differently from all my other skis though. More they are a damper, edgier Atris - which is a totally uninspired ski with good marketing. I really like how quick they are in bumped out tight or treed terrain. Not the best for open bowls however.

If you don't care about the twin I would look at the W108, Black crows Corvus, or QST 106.

If the twin tip really interests you, try the K108, ARV106, Peacemaker, and Faction 3.0 - then pick one of those.

[auvgeek]

sf: can you speak to what you didn't like about the Wren 102?

The Wren 108 felt pretty easy going to me, but maybe you'd prefer a softer layup. Are you able to demo? ON3P has a calendar on their website with demo dates & locations.

[sf]

Auvgeek: The 102s are just fine. Ski powder well for their dimensions, pretty good in crud, can be a bit cumbersome in skied out tight norwegian trees. "OK" was an understatement. I like them, but want something a bit more playful. Might sell them and get something a bit narrower if I find the 105+-ski I am searching for.

XavierD: interesting to hear about the mount. Seems most people are hesitant to mess around with ON3P recs. Perhaps mostly on RES?

Will probably get a chance to demo.