ON3P SKIS Discussion

[Sessiøn]

Thats like telling a little kid on XMas morning that they cant open presents until everyone wakes up... No doubt will be interesting to see what you guys do for next year...

Thanks for the input on the mount point on the 116 Kartels... Finally got on them and they were fun as hell and a blast in the trees...

Where did you mount them? Steeze line or the PowTron EDM line?

I love the steeze line myself.

[undertow2]

Where did you mount them? Steeze line or the PowTron EDM line?

I love the steeze line myself.

PowTron said the only place to mount the 116 was the line and that is where I mounted them... As you know fun as shit and a breeze to ski... They honestly are a compliment to the Billy's and my other POW skis... They just make the terrain and skiing fun...

[Reformed]

The Steeple 108 is stiffer than the old 102, but not as stiff as a BG. It falls in the middle area for sure. The extra material for the width and the changes in the taper from the 102 make it a better all mountain ski, but it is still on the softer side for us (medium flex for most companies).

FWIW I second the same thoughts as many here with the length. I have a new pair of steeples that I will be touring on soon and went with the 184...if I was going to put alpine bindings and ski them inbounds I would have went 189.

The 184 is very stable but just a tad bit quicker in tight spots. Remember all the 184's are basically our old 186 with the tail modified (i.e. Same running length and stability, little less in the rear to get hung up).

I'm 5'10" and 195lbs.

Hope that helps and now back to the kick in the nutts that is known as SIA.

Thanks for the input. I asked at the shop today and it sounds like all the 184s are gone for this year and you guys aren't doing another run. There's custom (I think), but I'll probably just wait to see what you guys are cooking up for next year. It sounds like there MIGHT, MAYBE be something that uphill skiers will be excited about and I'd like to support the local shop.

[PowTron]

Thats like telling a little kid on XMas morning that they cant open presents until everyone wakes up... No doubt will be interesting to see what you guys do for next year...

Thanks for the input on the mount point on the 116 Kartels... Finally got on them and they were fun as hell and a blast in the trees...

Glad they are making you happy!

And yes, the tease is deliberate

[PowTron]

...the PowTron EDM line?

That midsole untz!

[Sessiøn]

That midsole untz!

I thought you skied it back a touch.

[mr_pretzel]

Skied my 186 grizzly K116s today for the first time in some Whistler hardpack conditions, quick notes:

Super fun ski, not demanding at all and could for sure be a DD for someone out west, they didn't really feel wide at all. Could easily have gone the 191s and probably felt just as comfortable. Cant wait to test it out in some soft

Lots of pop and great landing platforms
Spin great
Pivot easily
Carve very well
Very smeary and playful
Definitely have a speed limit and can not charge as hard through icy moguls as say wrens, but that is to be expected. Did find myself pushing the ski a bit to hard a few times, may have just been me though.

Overall really love the ski, and would really be interested to see what the ski could be capable of in a stiffer flex, or maybe a 108 in a stiffer flex. (Anyone have experience on this?)

Top 10 all time favourite ski for sure, no regrets in getting them at all.

[MHSP1497]

Just placed an order for my 2nd pair of ON3P's. Love my BG's a ton and since my Kye 95's were such a disappointment, I decided to dive in again.

186 Kartel 98's with wood veneer topsheets and stiffer carbon on the way!

[auvgeek]

186 Kartel 98's with wood veneer topsheets and stiffer carbon on the way!

Dude, I think you'll be stoked on those!

One thing you might consider: if you like a more of an even flex pattern without the "butter zones" in the tip and tail, you might ask ON3P to mill the core slightly thicker in the tip and tail instead of adding extra carbon everywhere (assuming they haven't started making them yet). The K108 is already pretty stiff underfoot, and I wouldn't necessarily want them stiffer there. One thing I love about the Billy Goat is that long, even flex in the tip. But that's really just my preference; clearly the boys at ON3P disagree—they designed the ski that way for a reason. Just a thought.

[MHSP1497]

Dude, I think you'll be stoked on those!

One thing you might consider: if you like a more of an even flex pattern without the "butter zones" in the tip and tail, you might ask ON3P to mill the core slightly thicker in the tip and tail instead of adding extra carbon everywhere (assuming they haven't started making them yet). The K108 is already pretty stiff underfoot, and I wouldn't necessarily want them stiffer there. One thing I love about the Billy Goat is that long, even flex in the tip. But that's really just my preference; clearly the boys at ON3P disagree—they designed the ski that way for a reason. Just a thought.

Iggy/PowTron/etc-

Thoughts on this? Should I call the shop and talk to someone?

[auvgeek]

For reference, I have a pair of woodgrain extra-stiff Jeffrey 110s where I had ON3P run extra carbon in the tip and tail only, and I love them. The only difference is Iggy told me they stopped running carbon that's not the full length of the ski for durability reasons, but they now mill all their cores in-house, so they can tweak the flex that way and avoid the durability issues.

Overall really love the ski, and would really be interested to see what the ski could be capable of in a stiffer flex, or maybe a 108 in a stiffer flex. (Anyone have experience on this?)

Search for my recent posts on my extra-stiff Jeffrey 110s (the predecessor to the Kartel 108). I really like them, and think they're just about as stable as the Wren 108.

Any upstanding mag who skis Loveland and is seriously considering buying extra-stiff Kartels is welcome to take a run on my Jeffreys if they can fit into FKS 18 (non-WTR) mounted @ 305 mm.

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Okay, I'll stop pushing my opinion for a while and give others the ability to speak up. Been running a bunch of computer simulations lately, so I've had too much down time that I've spent on TGR.

[TahoeJ]

Got out on the Wren 98's today and they ski powder really nicely for a ski 98mm underfoot. Nice consistent flex and quick to turn in the trees. Handled some firm and chop on the way back to the car without any trouble. Should be great for my variable conditions / do it all spring touring ski.

[mfa81]

from on3p facebook page

"Time for a teaser - the 2018 Cease and Desist features asymmetric tip and tail (ATT), but also our new Offset Tip/Tail Shape (OTS). The best #powder ski we have ever created ��| #on3p #whobuildsyourskis #sia2017 #ceaseandesist #skiing #handmade #skis #teaser #thefutureisnow #skeleton #goskiingwithyourfriends"

[nyskirat]

thats hot.

[SupreChicken]

Effin' A, cotton.

[retirwntm]

Effin A.

[mfa81]

https://instagram.com/p/BP1NR6lDsvO/

asym billy goat

[PowTron]

I thought you skied it back a touch.

I did on the first mount. Now it's midsole and I strangely like it...

[PowTron]

186 Kartel 98's with wood veneer topsheets and stiffer carbon on the way!

And Green sidewalls, yes? [emoji869]

[klauss]

asym billy goats? The dentists are going to go apeshit over these. Honest question, how do these asym tip tails ski on the opposite feet?

[TahoeJ]

Are they still pintails?

[Sessiøn]

Are they still pintails?

Yes. Or so i have heard.

[PowTron]

Are they still pintails?

They are same dimensions, same rocker, same flex as the current model...just with some slight asym in the tip and tail.

We've been testing them for awhile and it makes a ski that already rarely hooked or caught in crud and wind blown even better there but doesn't affect them at all on harder snow or groomers.

[MHSP1497]

And Green sidewalls, yes? [emoji869]

Indeed, green sidewalls!!! Love those green sidewalls.

[Drunken Shytbird]

What are you saying people disagree with...?

I certainly acknowledge that I'm in the minority of skis who want a K108 with stiffer tips and tails, but that's the beauty of ON3P being able to mill their cores in house. Scott has been more than accommodating when I've asked him to build me custom skis in the past. This is TGR after all—I'm not the only one who likes stiff skis. I'm just saying if you want a ski with Wren-like stability, but a forward, so-called "progressive" mount and the ability to skis/land switch, a custom K108 is a good solution. The custom Jeffreys I have are exactly that, and I would bet a custom K108 would be even better.

Yeah, I agree. I think the stock layup is better in pow though (and obviously better for jibbing with lighter tips and tails) because a tip that's a little softer does plane up better and I haven't found you give up too much really in other conditions. Obviously, you have a ski that's 108 waisted & 186.5 long that has a a 22.2m Sidecut, so that is playing a role as well in how it bust through crud/chop. If they straightened out the sidecut to 27m, or whatever it would bust through crud better, but you would lose that super fun factor of having that 22m turn radius. I think they pretty well dialed this ski the more days that I have on it. For a 1 ski quiver I really can't imagine a better ski. It just does everything good to excellent.
With a 2 ski quiver I would be inclined to try a K108 with stiffer tips for busting set up crud, chop/ cut up pow. Again I'm just an old directional skier who just likes to be more center mounted and generally find myself liking burlier skis that have a -4 to -6 'ish mount. I'm just looking to have fun at this point. I don't spin, but I still like to pop off stuff and these skis are nice & balanced in the air, but the main thing is that these skis are just super fun. Well, time to go skiing now & try and find a fucking parking spot.