Heritage Lab Swallowtails (R, FR, & BC)

[Marshal Olson]

All good and if it wasn't clear not complaining, just getting anxious. Looks like there's movement via USPS tracking, looks like I should have a pair of skis under the tree for Christmas!

I'm picking up what you were putting down, all good! Stoke is stoke. Lets get all these babies on snow as fast as possible.

[ASmileyFace]

Mounted up my BC 120s (beta profile) today. I've had these for a long time now, but only just got around to mounting them due to life, my injury recovery and binding indecision. Mounted at -7.5 from TC (~85.75 from tail) with FR15s. Staring down our driest December in over 25 years in the San Juans, so hopefully this makes the santa slammer a reality and brings winter back.

[GoSlowGoFar]

Nice! Beta seems a bit more rockered yeah? Was asking about mount because yours looks pretty far back compared to mine (86cm from tail) but maybe the photo is playing tricks on me.

[ASmileyFace]

Nice! Beta seems a bit more rockered yeah? Was asking about mount because yours looks pretty far back compared to mine (86cm from tail) but maybe the photo is playing tricks on me.

The beta is a bit more rockered up front and less in the rear, (current version has the new R profile), while this one matched the FR rocker up front and the old R profile in the back I believe (MO can correct me if I am wrong).

And yeah I think the lighting and my phone camera made it look like there is a ton of ski up front.

[Upinsmoke]

Those are beautiful. Well worth the wait. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on them, if winter ever returns to the San Juans…

[ASmileyFace]

In case anyone is looking for another solution for skins on the Swallowtail, the Jones quick tension tail clip is perfect for these. I imagine the Weston version would be good too.

[fool]

Going to drop off my R120STs in 187 at the shop for mounting. Should I simply tell the shop “mount 7.5cm back from center mount”? Given their unfamiliarity with the ski, I want to be sure they mount it correctly. Open to any pedantic suggestions to ensure I communicate the mounting instructions clearly.

[PeachesNCream]

Going to drop off my R120STs in 187 at the shop for mounting. Should I simply tell the shop “mount 7.5cm back from center mount”? Given their unfamiliarity with the ski, I want to be sure they mount it correctly. Open to any pedantic suggestions to ensure I communicate the mounting instructions clearly.

Maybe measure and draw your own mount point line. Mount here, points to sharpie line. Seems pretty dummy proof


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[Marshal Olson]

Word! I am with Peaches.

Suggest to sharpie a line 85.25cm (or 33 5/8" if you only have a caveman tape measure) from the tail.

In order to ensure I don't botch my own mounts, I mark a 1cm line w/ the tape, and then draw a line from sidewall to sidewall ontop of the mount with a square -- and then go back and make sure the line is really where i want it. Makes sure I don't screw it up myself!

Also, if you use a sharpie, and don't want the line forever or miss-draw the first time, it will clean right off after the mount with a little 90%+ isopropyl and paper towel.

[Marshal Olson]

Alternate is to put a stripe of painter tape down and measure/mark. I prefer the mark on the topsheet as it’s one less thing to go wrong (ie removing the tape/having it fall off), even if that is super unlikely.

[fool]

Word! I am with Peaches.

Suggest to sharpie a line 85.25cm (or 33 5/8" if you only have a caveman tape measure) from the tail.

In order to ensure I don't botch my own mounts, I mark a 1cm line w/ the tape, and then draw a line from sidewall to sidewall ontop of the mount with a square -- and then go back and make sure the line is really where i want it. Makes sure I don't screw it up myself!

Also, if you use a sharpie, and don't want the line forever or miss-draw the first time, it will clean right off after the mount with a little 90%+ isopropyl and paper towel.

Thanks, mags. Marshal, any chance you have pics of this? Regardless, I'll give it a try and share pics here to ensure I'm not crazy before dropping them off.

[Marshal Olson]

Thanks, mags. Marshal, any chance you have pics of this? Regardless, I'll give it a try and share pics here to ensure I'm not crazy before dropping them off.

You Bet

Here is a ski with my line widthwise, as well as a ski with painter's tape showing center and offset back to midsole. If you are taking it to a shop, DO NOT have multiple lines on the ski!! Just one clear one.

[GiantManta]

ASmileyFace - looking at those Jones quick clips as I have a pair of Contour skins that I want to use my on STs. The Contours have the nylon strap (with some minimal rubber impregnated in it) and I was trying to think if I could just use the metal clips and thread the nylon strap on the Contours (maybe double back somehow to account for thinness of the nylon strap compared to the rubber strap). Trying to avoid buying the kit for $60.

If I could find a single clip that was attached to some type of tri-glide clip that seems like it would do the job.

Thx

[Marshal Olson]

ASmileyFace - looking at those Jones quick clips as I have a pair of Contour skins that I want to use my on STs. The Contours have the nylon strap (with some minimal rubber impregnated in it) and I was trying to think if I could just use the metal clips and thread the nylon strap on the Contours (maybe double back somehow to account for thinness of the nylon strap compared to the rubber strap). Trying to avoid buying the kit for $60.

If I could find a single clip that was attached to some type of tri-glide clip that seems like it would do the job.

Thx

I'd be happy to mail you a BD tail strap kit (Free+ship$) if you want to just cut stock contour tail off and pop a more stretchy BD one on.

[SnowMachine]

Another mount Q, but on the 186 FR120's. I skied the current Bent Chetler 120 184cm -1 from rec and current 191 Renegades on rec.

6' tall, 160lbs. Generally I ski progressive mounts, but like a traditional ski at times, too. My daily drivers are the Deathwish and Deathwish 104. I like to be able to drive the tips, but also turn a reverse ski sideways and drift.

Mount them -6.5?

[pfluffenmeister]

Skied my R120STs today and I have to say that it might be my favorite HL ski yet; which is to say my favorite ski yet.

Pretty much GOAT for a resort powski; perhaps GOAT powski period.

Find the steepest most blind rollovery tight treed terrain and charge with veritable abandon.
(Soft conditions apply; as in the snow should be soft).

But still pump -out every turn down the cat track to base, double jump pump the whoops, and even do slow controlled zipper bump turns on down the ridge following skiDad and his very young ripper daughter?

Yup.

;D

PS 12" forecast for tomorrow

[GiantManta]

Thanks MO. I have some old BD ascensions as well was just thinking this might be a 1-minute fix.

[GiantManta]

Pluff - between you and this storm cycle you are killing me. We have 23" forecasted for next 3 days but I told MO no rush as I had some shoulder surgery. But with that forecast and these reports those bad boys would have been out and so the my luck I probably would "clipped" a tree or two. Super stoked to get ST-FR on a week or so.

[pfluffenmeister]

Plus 1 (minus the daughter, I don’t have one of those)…then I skied the skinny version. Fuuuuuuck. Cycle inbound here too, choosing between the two is gonna be difficult.
Stoked for ya Pluff!!

Oh, I don't have a daughter either.
I just fed out from hot to medium running the ridgeline down the bump field and caught up to said skiDad and his young ripper daughter.
He was showing the best way down, she was tailing him then I just folded into the line at the back for about 20 or so turns.
It was like they were doing really slow zipper bump 8s, and I was an extra at the end.

Pluff - between you and this storm cycle you are killing me. We have 23" forecasted for next 3 days but I told MO no rush as I had some shoulder surgery. But with that forecast and these reports those bad boys would have been out and so the my luck I probably would "clipped" a tree or two. Super stoked to get ST-FR on a week or so.

You in ALTA/Snowbird?
Luscious terrain there (only been to ALTA).
Heel quick (and then do your PT).

[GiantManta]

Pluff - I'm in the 'boat not quite AltaBird but we have our own goodies!!!

[Marshal Olson]

Another mount Q, but on the 186 FR120's. I skied the current Bent Chetler 120 184cm -1 from rec and current 191 Renegades on rec.

6' tall, 160lbs. Generally I ski progressive mounts, but like a traditional ski at times, too. My daily drivers are the Deathwish and Deathwish 104. I like to be able to drive the tips, but also turn a reverse ski sideways and drift.

Mount them -6.5?

I’m with the -6.5 thought for sure!

[SnowMachine]

I’m with the -6.5 thought for sure!

Thank you, sir! Mounting today. These skis are finished beautifully. I'm thinking of jumping on the AM100 pre-order and I haven't even skied the big brother yet.

It's raining here, so they won't be seeing ski time for a couple of weeks at the soonest. The sharks are everywhere and I'm tired of destroying skis that I love.

[SnowMachine]

Since it's raining....

Mounted up and ready to get shready.

[kc_7777]

Finally got on my HL R120’s today.

Conditions were 18cm of fresh over night and we lucked out and got 5th on Peak Chair when it cracked. Lots and lots of wind blown deep stashes.

I’m on the 180 R120 @ -6.75cm (83 cm from tail).

I’ve been skiing the 180 FR110’s almost every day and they are so effortless. The R120 takes a bit more skill/effort/input than the FR110 which surprised me. The R120 feels more like the AM100. At first I was thinking I should have bought the FR120 and gone -6cm. Or maybe I was still feeling the numerous hazy IPA’s from last night. But the snow was deep and the lift lines were short all day (cause of the Edge Card blackout Dec 26-30)…we just kept lapping Peak Chair into Red. It was snowing and windy all day so refills every run. Really good day to test these out. Each run I got more comfortable…you can’t be lazy like you can on the FR110. Which is good. Makes you focus and ski better. Sometimes you gotta open your legs, into a bit wider stance and lean/press into the R120 shovels. Ski them. They want to be pushed. So it’s a great ski to complement to the FR110.

Got two runs in untouched fresh pow where the R120 planes up super well in untracked, no tip dive issues at all. You can carve or feather your pow turns...any shape pow turn is pretty easy on this ski. Going fast in fresh pow was easy.

Lots of runs today that were packed pow, with big and soft bumps, and at first I wished for more slitheriness like the FR110’s but then I would just say f it and point and go and the R120's would fly. Still able to scrub speed riding the tails, just not dead easy like the FR's. Better stability and suspension and they will go as fast as your legs will take you in soft snow, and then some.

Last run on Peak Chair was really dumping snow and very windy so Doom and Gloom was almost full fresh again. Ripped huge, fast GS turns in ~12” fresh. It was so good.

Tonight my legs can feel it. More hazy IPA’s will fix that.

First pic taken at 7:40 am in Creekside line….magical.


Second pic at 2:40 pm on D&G.


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[lrn2swim]

This has gotta be one of you up at Hyak today. These the Rs or FRs? How'd they handle the lovely mank??

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