Heritage Lab Swallowtails (R, FR, & BC)

[kc_7777]

[QUOTE=Marshal Olson;Well, so I haven’t gotten a confirmed order on them at all yet, which is my filter for “do people want these”. As new shapes get developed and rolled in, the stuff that doesn’t see orders is correspondingly trimmed to keep some vague semblance of order in the world![/QUOTE]

But how do you get one eighty orders if there is no drop down to even order that size?

Not a big deal. I’m super happy with the R one twenty ST. But I do have some extra Pivots….

Mine are at Profile in Whistler right now getting the bevels to 1.5 *base 2 * side edge with a detune in the taper section. Drifty.

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[Marshal Olson]

Hang onto those pivots. You are going to need em. Trust me

[eSock]

Stoke levels are high on these FRs, just need some fresh snow to take em out in.

[Marshal Olson]

Not only does late setup look amazing... but did you crack the core and actually post a picture??E?E?E?!

[kid-kapow]

I took my FR120ST out for a few runs toda in prime conditions, back to back with blackops118. I might prefer the latter (combo of slightly stiffer sholves and camber making the tails a tad bid stronger, pluss more versatile due to their camber), but golly - the FR120s sure ski well. Loose and capable. FR120s must be an absolute dream in untracked at mach looney.

[forumskier]

I want to buy those FR120s available now on the site for $699 so bad… hoping a lot of my gear sells before they are gone.

[Power_Sauce]

FR120s in their intended habitat high in Japan. What a day this was!


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[gaijin]

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[phil_dirt]

Has anybody mounted sth2's on these? What brake size did you go with?

[kc_7777]

I have the STH with One Thirty brakes on my R One Twenty.




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[phil_dirt]

I'm taking mine to hakuba on the 8th. Should be great!

[phil_dirt]

In preparation for my japan trip, I took them to bogus basin after a small storm and had a blast on them. My FR110s felt kinda tiring to ski, and I think it's because they come out of the package so sharp. I detuned the 120s progressively duller towards the tips and tails and sharp underfoot, and I found them to be extremely intuitive to ski through chop. I wasn't tired at all. Didn't feel like too much ski at all. Incredibly easy to pivot. I still get this weird sensation where it feels like they have a shorter turning radius than they do, but it's mostly because it's a full rocker ski that engages the full length of the ski once you tip it over.

[rigbone]

First day out on the FR120s and in proper conditions, 20cm+ overnight and blue bird. The best word I can use to describe how they ride in soft snow is telepathic. You want them to turn and they turn on a dime, big turns and small. They drift and float but also track a line and don't get knocked around or hook up in a weird way. I wouldn't say they're "poppy" but are eager to get off the ground and kind of bounce or just fly off of snow piles, bumps and side hits. They navigate sketchy traverses and bumps way better than expected probably because they are so pivoty. My biggest complaint with them is I found the lack of suspension to be a bit tiring. As things got more cut up I started to notice it, they still blow through chop but don't dampen it like some cambered skis. Big stuff wasn't bad but skiing fast through areas with lots of smaller snow piles, high frequency "chatter" to use a MTB term is where I noticed it most. Overall, I'm stoked with these skis, I really wanted something different and something special compared to every other ski on the market and I got it in this ski. I'm just kinda wishing I had a carbon BC model now too haha

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[phil_dirt]

It's weird you say that, I find them to just monster truck over bumps like I'm riding a full suspension mtb. The mid-stiff flex combined with the reverse camber just kinda erases bumps, especially when you're skiing bases flat.

[eSock]

Got my first day out on the Fr120s! Was a little worried they'd be overkill for the underperforming 5"of fresh over a very icy base. Worries were unfounded, skis were immediately intuitive and easy to ski! Was impressed how they handled themselves in all sorts of sub optimal terrain. Stoked on how they performed in optimal terrain. Carving was as easy as advertised and running flat wasn't concerning either. Pretty unflappable charging thru chop, and very nimble when you wanna jump all nimbly bimbly from tree to tree.

I will say my back is feeling that lack of camber after a full day of charging though. [emoji28]

[pfluffenmeister]

Alright meow.

[SnowMachine]

It's weird you say that, I find them to just monster truck over bumps like I'm riding a full suspension mtb. The mid-stiff flex combined with the reverse camber just kinda erases bumps, especially when you're skiing bases flat.

Agree. I find that they absolutely smash chop down. They are a bit tiring in deep snow in really tight trees, but not many heavy skis do that well.
Reading comments I wonder how many people have ridden reverse skis before. These are just big dialed reverse skis.

[kc_7777]

I’ve ridden 4FRNT Ravens, Hojis and Renegades for years.

They’re sitting in the garage now as I have FR One Tens, R One Twenty’s and HB One Twenty Twos.

In the 4FRNT threads I’ve mentioned many times that I find reverse skis easier to ski?

Cause you can lay them over and engage the full edge, or stand up more on them (bases flat), pressure your shins and ski through your heels and kind of fly/float/hover over bumpy terrain at speed using way less energy vs if I was engaging the edges or on a cambered ski. They’re kind of like cheating.



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[SnowMachine]

I’ve ridden 4FRNT Ravens, Hojis and Renegades for years. They’re sitting in the garage now as I have FR One Tens, R One Twenty’s and HB One Twenty Twos. In the 4FRNT threads I’ve mentioned many times that I find reverse skis easier to ski? Cause you can lay them over and engage the full edge, or stand up more on them (bases flat), pressure your shins and ski through your heels and kind of fly/float/hover over bumpy terrain at speed using way less energy vs if I was engaging the edges or on a cambered ski. They’re kind of like cheating. Sent from my iPhone using TGR Forums

Yeah, it surprises me when people think that they cannot carve. Reverse skis are a blast to carve and drift!!

[SnowMachine]

@eSock where did you mount yours? Those look a bit further back than -6.5

[eSock]

@eSock where did you mount yours? Those look a bit further back than -6.5

-7.25cm was recommended by MO so that's where I put em

[SnowMachine]

-7.25cm was recommended by MO so that's where I put em

Cool. I saw that they are the bigger ones, too. I think it is an optical illusion in that pic. They look pretty far back. I bet those things slay!!

[Claymore23]

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Question for the experts:</p>
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For the FR120, which size are folks running? I am 6&#39;5&quot; 200 lbs. How different is the 193 from the 187? I&#39;d still like it to be nimble and fun, but have good float.&nbsp;</p>
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Apprciate the advice.</p>

[TAFKALVS]

At over 220lbs the 187 R120 floated amazingly well and was super fun in powder. Wasn’t quite what I was looking for on packed snow/groomers (I had early betas, not the final version) and ended up switching them for FL116. The FR120 should float even better than the R120 given the taller rocker profile. I’d chose based on intended terrain (open vs treed) and visibility (blue bird vs grey bird.)

[eSock]

I&#39;m 6&#39;3, 215 and went for the 193 FR120, I don&#39;t think it skis long and from my two days on them, super maneuverable while still being stable when I let em ride. All my skis are 189+ so 193 made sense. I don&#39;t think I&#39;d size down.