Climate Change

[ticketchecker]

Emeriti professors. Who obviously don't get outside much.
Happer is 84 years old, and his field was optics, not climate.
Lindzen is 80, and his field was atmospheric physics, not climate.
So old guys yelling at the sky, literally.

Ha! Honestly I'm not familiar with Epoch Times but figured it was something like that based on the friend who posted it to FB. Thanks for confirming.

I'm going back to shopping for a hybrid or EV car for the GF now.

[NWFlow]

Lol at the link to the "pdf" with their "extensive data." I wonder just how infected with propaganda my phone is after downloading that

[Bunion 2020]

In the first ruling of its kind nationwide, a Montana state court decided Monday in favor of young people who alleged the state violated their right to a “clean and healthful environment” by promoting the use of fossil fuels.

The court determined that a provision in the Montana Environmental Policy Act has harmed the state’s environment and the young plaintiffs, by preventing Montana from considering the climate impacts of energy projects. The provision is accordingly unconstitutional, the court said.

The win, experts say, could energize the environmental movement and reshape climate litigation across the country, ushering in a wave of cases aimed at advancing action on climate change.

[skaredshtles]

NOT IN MY MONTANA!

[PB]

But ..... isn't Montana a small town?!?!?

[Core Shot]

Epoch Times?

Srsly?

Yeah. At least link the study so we don’t know you found it on a hack website

https://co2coalition.org/wp-content/...2023-07-19.pdf

[bodywhomper]

This system is shaping up to be one of my better investments. It should pay for itself in about 5 years, maybe less at the rate PGE increases rates,and hopefully it lasts 20-30.

How do you know that you’re roofing material and installation will last that long? We bought our house 4 years into a new “30 year” roof. Part of it started leaking 8 years after installation. That experience has made us weary of considering rooftop solar.

[PB]

Not all roofing jobs/contractors are the same, nor are the claims of real estate sellers. We've got a 18 year old T&G roof that's supposedly a 20-25 year install, with over 50 panels installed and a bushel of penetrations, and nary a leak yet. I am, however, beginning to evaluate a new roof because ....... T&G. Expecting to see some looks of horror when collecting estimates, which will be painfully high at best.

[bodywhomper]

When I called the roofing company that did the work (I had the receipt), they told me 5-yr guarantee, which I was past, but gave me the # for a retired roofing contractor who does consulting. That guy was really helpful, evaluated my whole roof with me (asphalt shingles), showed me how to find places that are likely sources of leakage (slightly misalignments of the roof strips), introduced me to thru-the-roof and Henry’s, and the method of peeling the shingle strips and checking the nailheads for penetration depth and rust.

[neufox47]

How do you know that you’re roofing material and installation will last that long? We bought our house 4 years into a new “30 year” roof. Part of it started leaking 8 years after installation. That experience has made us weary of considering rooftop solar.

I don’t but I went for a 50 year asphalt shingle from a highly recommended roofer who did a nice job. I also went with a local solar company that has been around and I knew the crew. I’ll be shocked if the shingle fails before the solar. Most leaks though aren’t due to the shingle failing they are due to flashing issues.

That said the previous roof was installed in 99 and was badly failing (however it was a wood composite shingle that was known to be defective). I’d say asphalt shingles durability are better known.

With a payback period of 5 years though I’ll take that bet every day. The battery backup is a nice benefit too. Unfortunately there is not that type of return with NEM 3, so the deal I got isn’t the same as the one you would get now.

[bodywhomper]

Thanks for the response!

[SumJongGuy]

I've replaced a roof on the main part of our house TWICE since the house was purchased in 1996, 1999 and 2017. One thing I've definitely noticed is the more I walked around on the roof playing whack a mole patching leaks, the more new leaks pop up. Walking on those shingles causes the nail heads to compromise/puncture the shingles you are stepping on, compromises the adhesive under the shingles and tar paper, and rattles the boards under them. It does more harm than good. Installing panels can totally cause the same issues.

[neufox47]

If walking on your asphalt shingle roof caused leaks your roof was really close to its end of life.


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[SumJongGuy]

If walking on your asphalt shingle roof caused leaks your roof was really close to its end of life.


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That's a fact, but walking around up there causes duress that can cause earlier demise nonetheless. I now avoid it at all costs. No way panels are going up there on anything more than a year old.. We're looking at going there next time, like around 2035.. and metal.

I'd wager that climate change is to blame as well for roofs having more issues and failing sooner than in the past. A 30 year roof is now a 20 year roof around here. Expanding and contracting of the metal nails through extreme temperature changes likely shortens the life of a traditional roof as well.. It likely impacts all major infrastructure more and more..

[neufox47]

Man I can’t wait for summer to be over. Ours hasn’t even been that hot but I’m sick of 90+ degree days already.


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[SumJongGuy]

Lost power in a straghliner that took out most of the city. 100K+ out yesterday, 50K still out now. Got a 60 watt solar panel out back recharging the power bank for that. Ran our internet gateway and a couple other devices for 5 hours last night. Small generator running 3 full size fridge/freezers and the work office stuff today. There was no warning for this event. Missed the house thankfully but others weren't so lucky.. News choppers circling the neighborhood right now..



Topic?? Shameless solar panel plug. But the main juice supply is coming from the 5K propane genny.

[The SnowShow]

[SumJongGuy]

Too bad it's not headed for Mara Lago...

Seriously though, first "tropical Storm" there is actually a Category 4

[altacoup]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ersity-hotspot

The people of an very poor country who historically haven’t been large contributors of carbon emissions vote to keep the oil in the ground. Bravo! Yet people in this country are freaking out that the cost of gas is higher albeit lower than average prices in Europe have been this millennium. And we’re the country that has put more carbon emissions into the atmosphere than any other country. One of our 2 political parties is the only major party in the developed world that denies that climate change even exists. Oh and Ecuador is suffering massive gang violence from all the assholes in this country that need to snort cocaine to have a good time. We are the problem!


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[tang]

True, true and true. It’s particularly sad how much the US coke habit has destroyed whole countries - Ecuador maybe the latest on that list. But huge kudos to them for voting to protect their rainforest from big oil! Spent a few months there in the 90s - amazing country with incredible diversity.

[old goat]

On a two hour boat trip down the Napo River from Coca, through otherwise intact rainforest with a few indigenous villages we saw a half dozen oil company sites. This was about 5 years ago.

[altacoup]

There’s been oil extraction in Ecuador for quite a while. They successfully sued Shell years ago. But this is the first time that extraction has been put to the voters and they voted to keep it in the ground with a over 60% majority. The Ecuadorian government relies heavily on oil money. And it’s a dirt poor country. You think there’s any chance that over 60% of Americans would vote to end oil extraction in ANWAR? And we’re the wealthiest country in the history of humanity.

[skiSilent_skiDeep]

There’s been oil extraction in Ecuador for quite a while. They successfully sued Shell years ago. But this is the first time that extraction has been put to the voters and they voted to keep it in the ground with a over 60% majority. The Ecuadorian government relies heavily on oil money. And it’s a dirt poor country. You think there’s any chance that over 60% of Americans would vote to end oil extraction in ANWAR? And we’re the wealthiest country in the history of humanity.

twas Texaco, now owned by Chevron – which admitted to the environmental damage it (Tex) caused mid-late 20th century was later found guilty in Ecuador's high court and fined $10 bil back in 2018. However, immediately after judgement Chev was cleared of responsibility by the international tribunal of The Hague. So that means charges of billions of dollars for indemnity that could have set a precedent in holding big oil accountable was lost and sends a strong signal to the rest of the industry, e.g., Royal Dutch Shell currently giving zero-fucks as it destroys Nigeria with impunity.

[old goat]

One wonders what goes through the minds of the execs of these companies when they rape the planet. Surely at least some of them have children, grandchildren, maybe great grandchildren. How do you go about making the world unlivable for your descendants? What rationalizations could cover that?
Probably the same one I use--what difference would it make if I stop doing it if everybody else keeps on.

[altacoup]

Money is the only thing that goes through their mind.