Climate Change

[Core Shot]

Billionaires are working at winning climate change.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/202...chest-rushkoff


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Sad read. Wow. They think they can win the mad max game.

[SumJongGuy]

Billionaires are working at winning climate change.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/202...chest-rushkoff


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Business model.. Take the billionaire money and build an underground mega resort for them..

Survival model.. When the shit hits the fan have a back door security access set up to lock them out and take it for yourself instead..



WIN WIN!

I always thought the people with the chopper who secured the mall in Dawn of the Dead came as close to winning the Zombie Apocalypse as possible.

[ticketchecker]

Sad read. Wow. They think they can win the mad max game.

very sad, with that much coin you could actually pitch in and help out

[halliday]

Sad read. Wow. They think they can win the mad max game.

https://youtu.be/FtovFI8etOg

[Jax]

Populations may decline barely in some regions but earth = sum total. It will never decrease overall without a major, major catastrophe, everywhere. Covid tried, but not nearly hard enough.

Overheard in grocery store today, one young stocker says to the other "I've never seen so many babies in here". I politely quipped don't drink the water and the girl replied without hesitation " I won't be having kids because it there's too many already".

I'm not a ZPG believer but that's the 5 ton gorilla in the room for any young person struggling to just get by in already developed countries. It's becoming harder and harder for them to see the light, or look forward to a future that their parents, grandparents, g-grandparents had. Minimal housing they can own, a renter's society. Minimal jobs due to threats of more AI. Minimal forests as they will burn or get dozed. 6th extinction, major collapse of wildlife. No fresh seafood. No clean water. Wars. Extreme weather. No elderly care. Most of these kids grew up with a smartphone in their face since they were old enough to hold a spoon; the doomscroll is real with them.

Saw a reddit thread a few weeks back, dozens of younger gens plan to commit suicide 'as their retirement', once they've had enough fun, seen enough of the world, because they don't see a traditional retirement as something they can rely on in their future. They also know we're fukt. Depressing AF

[east or bust]

It's not like knowledge how to build nuclear power plants is lost like the pyramids.

Similarly, one could say the same thing about sailing. Yet if you try to captain a sailing vessel with Paul from AR you might have a bad day.

The examples I sited display this concept perfectly. Obviously there’s more to it than putting a round peg in a round hole, or maybe not obvious for some.

[Stuntmonkey]

Are these storage places for spent fuel rods operating?
How old are you?
Producing a waste that just might outlast humans is short sided.
I like the idea of small portable reactors for remote places.
We have a giant fusion reactor in the sky we can harness.
Spinning a rotor inside an stator, like all nuke plants do, is antiquated, but it's what we use.
Go watch Metldon on Netflix. I had no idea we came that close or so much radiation escaped.
It's not just "the olds" it's many scientists and geologists that know we can't always contain it, accidents happen

Yes. Trials have been run and thus far the current locations (former potash and uranium mines) have been working out well. I'm 40, but what does that matter?

SMRs are struggling to get off the ground due to red tape. Easy solution, but US State and DoE really fucked the last 10 years.

Yes because we haven't been trying to harness the sun at all. Come the fuck on man. Oh and by the way I've led 3 grid scale solar projects.

And yes, there is inherent risk. But there is with everything. There is not however, a lot of people with actual fucking credentials saying we shouldn't build more in order to stop gap and reduce some levels of coal and other carbon creating power sources until technology and society decide they actually want to solve the problem.

The US won't be the ones to lead the future in nuclear expansion, China has already claimed that title and will continue to do so. Canada needs to step it up and as do other countries.

None of these are a one-stop-fix-all for the future of power sourcing. There needs to be rapid investment in all things renewable. To the point where it should be akin to JFK saying lets send a man to the moon. But at the current rate, we will not get there. Solars efficiency scale is simply too high, wind power is very slow to build and again, efficiency. Nuclear, slow to build but incredibly efficient and reliable. All of these needs to be focused on with immense resources in order to increase efficiency, reduce red tape and build time lines, all while govts actively force expansion of carbon capture to heavily CO2 emitting industrial complexes.

But none of that will happen because the voters are so polarized over left and right, while govts make money hand over fist through all the bullshit involved.

[Supermoon]

very sad, with that much coin you could actually pitch in and help out

Billionaires would rather spend the rest of their lives drinking water distilled from their own piss than pay an extra dollar in taxes.

[skaredshtles]

Billionaires would rather spend the rest of their lives drinking water distilled from their own piss than pay an extra dollar in taxes.

It's not just billionaires.

[SumJongGuy]

And it's not new. It's what they've always done.. Just modern day castles and moats..

[DoYou WannaDance]

Similarly, one could say the same thing about sailing. Yet if you try to captain a sailing vessel with Paul from AR you might have a bad day.

The examples I sited display this concept perfectly. Obviously there’s more to it than putting a round peg in a round hole, or maybe not obvious for some.

Its my first year with a boat and I got a pretty big one (26 ft) can barely get in and out of my slip or grab my lobster traps first go with an 8 ft pole to help.

The shit people were able to do on the ocean prior to the last 100-200 years is mind boggling. Granted land travel was no easier and seafare was the heartbeat in many cases of those civilizations but its still hard to imagine how the fuck they actually did it and steered those things with no Garmin or Simrad.

[baron]

And it's not new. It's what they've always done.. Just modern day castles and moats..

makes me want to read ''Mask of the Red Death'' again

[k2skier112]

Yes. Trials have been run and thus far the current locations (former potash and uranium mines) have been working out well. I'm 40, but what does that matter?

Nope, fail. All spent power plant fuel rods are held on site. No National depository has been established. Of course it's the glossy side of "accidents never happen" from the Office of Nuclear Energy

https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/5...ve%20shielding.
3. SPENT FUEL FROM U.S. COMMERCIAL NUCLEAR POWER REACTORS IS STORED AT MORE THAN 70 SITES IN 35 STATES
Most of the nation’s spent fuel is safely and securely stored at more than 70 reactor sites across the country. Roughly a quarter of these sites no longer have a reactor in operation.

The U.S. Department of Energy is now exploring the possibility of consolidating this spent nuclear fuel at one or more federal interim storage facilities using a consent-based siting process.

For the foreseeable future, the spent fuel can safely stay at the reactor sites or a future consolidated interim storage facility until a permanent disposal solution is determined by the federal government.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiat...3600%20mSv%2Fh.
TMI, Chernobyl and Fukushima. Only Fukushima is fresh news to you

Nukes will take too long to build and wont be cost effective

[baron]

Nope, fail. All spent power plant fuel rods are held on site. No National depository has been established. Of course it's the glossy side of "accidents never happen" from the Office of Nuclear Energy

https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/5...ve%20shielding.
3. SPENT FUEL FROM U.S. COMMERCIAL NUCLEAR POWER REACTORS IS STORED AT MORE THAN 70 SITES IN 35 STATES
Most of the nation’s spent fuel is safely and securely stored at more than 70 reactor sites across the country. Roughly a quarter of these sites no longer have a reactor in operation.

The U.S. Department of Energy is now exploring the possibility of consolidating this spent nuclear fuel at one or more federal interim storage facilities using a consent-based siting process.

For the foreseeable future, the spent fuel can safely stay at the reactor sites or a future consolidated interim storage facility until a permanent disposal solution is determined by the federal government.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiat...3600%20mSv%2Fh.
TMI, Chernobyl and Fukushima. Only Fukushima is fresh news to you

Nukes will take too long to build and wont be cost effective

How about we slap all the crack heads into giant hamster wheels attached to generators, and dangle a crack rock in front of them to make them run

[Stuntmonkey]

Nope, fail. All spent power plant fuel rods are held on site. No National depository has been established. Of course it's the glossy side of "accidents never happen" from the Office of Nuclear Energy

https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/5...ve%20shielding.
3. SPENT FUEL FROM U.S. COMMERCIAL NUCLEAR POWER REACTORS IS STORED AT MORE THAN 70 SITES IN 35 STATES
Most of the nation’s spent fuel is safely and securely stored at more than 70 reactor sites across the country. Roughly a quarter of these sites no longer have a reactor in operation.

The U.S. Department of Energy is now exploring the possibility of consolidating this spent nuclear fuel at one or more federal interim storage facilities using a consent-based siting process.

For the foreseeable future, the spent fuel can safely stay at the reactor sites or a future consolidated interim storage facility until a permanent disposal solution is determined by the federal government.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiat...3600%20mSv%2Fh.
TMI, Chernobyl and Fukushima. Only Fukushima is fresh news to you

Nukes will take too long to build and wont be cost effective

I've mentioned Canada half a dozen times and made mention of CANDU already, you're leading me to believe you don't actually read.

Let me reiterate; Nobody gives a fuck about America and Nuclear energy. The country cannot build plants with ANY expediency, especially under the current circumstances.

[crankplank]

Populations may decline barely in some regions but earth = sum total. It will never decrease overall without a major, major catastrophe, everywhere. Covid tried, but not nearly hard enough.

Overheard in grocery store today, one young stocker says to the other "I've never seen so many babies in here". I politely quipped don't drink the water and the girl replied without hesitation " I won't be having kids because it there's too many already".

I'm not a ZPG believer but that's the 5 ton gorilla in the room for any young person struggling to just get by in already developed countries. It's becoming harder and harder for them to see the light, or look forward to a future that their parents, grandparents, g-grandparents had. Minimal housing they can own, a renter's society. Minimal jobs due to threats of more AI. Minimal forests as they will burn or get dozed. 6th extinction, major collapse of wildlife. No fresh seafood. No clean water. Wars. Extreme weather. No elderly care. Most of these kids grew up with a smartphone in their face since they were old enough to hold a spoon; the doomscroll is real with them.

I try to avoid catastrophizing but this choice seems to be the only one, the biggest thing I can do is not create another western appetite. I cant convince myself my children would see a better world than me- there just is not evidence that things will improve in that timespan, and they are getting worse every year. We will never hairshirt our way out of this- i cant seem to stop driving and flying and filling up my garbage can, despite all my guilt and frustration. IMO the only way we meet targets is that there *actually is a global cabal* secretly meeting to manipulate us into accepting the new world of zero shipping and air travel so that they still have a society and economy to control, cuz this country sure as shit aint gonna vote in our species interest.

Its really tiring trying to remember who Ive expressed this to, because most people still want to have kids and I am not going to try to make anyone feel bad about that. But ultimately it underscores every moment and decision, and I cant really reach full relationships with people who refuse to acknowledge the reality were living in and actually adjust in any way whatsoever.

I really want to be wrong, and would love to look on my current beliefs wistfully when I'm old and gray.

[SumJongGuy]

The entire reason we have societies and collective representation is to separate personal interests and desires from the interests of the community and mankind. Those leaders make decisions to take action NOBODY would do on their own left to our own devices and desires. We've lost that entire dynamic now.

[Stuntmonkey]

Those leaders make decisions to take action NOBODY would do on their own left to our own devices and desires. We've lost that entire dynamic now.

Bang on. There's really nothing else to say.

[Bunion 2020]

Easy to blame the elected but the reality is that no matter who is POTUS, if they went before the American people and told them the truth they would be impeached or run out of town. We are the problem.

[old goat]

The problem of having kids--I say as a father of two and gf on one so far--is that as irrational as it is to have kids, reproduction is the underlying basic principle of biology, and rationality is a very thin veneer pasted on our animal brains.

[k2skier112]

I've mentioned Canada half a dozen times and made mention of CANDU already, you're leading me to believe you don't actually read.

Let me reiterate; Nobody gives a fuck about America and Nuclear energy. The country cannot build plants with ANY expediency, especially under the current circumstances.

Canada is a large sparsely populated country, no one gives 2 fucts about Canada, lol

You could dump spent fuel rods all over the NW territories or Nunavut and no one would be irradiated for a thousand years

[Stuntmonkey]

Canada is a large sparsely populated country, no one gives 2 fucts about Canada, lol

You could dump spent fuel rods all over the NW territories or Nunavut and no one would be irradiated for a thousand years

Easy to blame the elected but the reality is that no matter who is POTUS, if they went before the American people and told them the truth they would be impeached or run out of town. We are the problem.

lmao. What a fucking moron.

[DoYou WannaDance]

The problem of having kids--I say as a father of two and gf on one so far--is that as irrational as it is to have kids, reproduction is the underlying basic principle of biology, and rationality is a very thin veneer pasted on our animal brains.

Human society as you know it (with shit like internet and electicity) depends on a growing population. Not a low carbon score.

You might need to import people who want to work...which most do. My whole family are immigrants theres plenty of money to be made by anyone that wants it.

But the demand to come here should offset most labor issues. And noone cares about your lazy kids. This is America once you are in you are IN this is the American dream see you on the slopes motherfucker.

[k2skier112]

lmao. What a fucking moron.

stfu noob

Canuckistan wants all our spent fuel rods to be put in their secure storage facilities. moran

[old goat]

Human society as you know it (with shit like internet and electicity) depends on a growing population. Not a low carbon score.

You might need to import people who want to work...which most do. My whole family are immigrants theres plenty of money to be made by anyone that wants it.

But the demand to come here should offset most labor issues. And noone cares about your lazy kids. This is America once you are in you are IN this is the American dream see you on the slopes motherfucker.

If you actually read this thread--that is, care about what anyone besides yourself thinks--you'd know that my basic premise is that human society as I know it -cannot continue, if there is any hope for saving the planet. And that part of that means not growing, and eventually shrinking the population, which will mean considerable hardship economically and in terms of sustainable lifestyle, especially for retirees.

As far as my lazy kids--they're both surgeons who work well over 40 hours per week. Not necessarily as hard as someone harvesting the food I eat as an example, but definitely not lazy.

As far as seeing me on the slopes--in the sustainable world I envision skiing is probably not an option.

As far as your family being immigrants, it seems likely to me that you were educated in America, since you are incapable of writing a coherent sentence although you are fluent in American profanity.