Ukraine

[riser4]

The chair is against the wall and John has a long mustache.

Wolverines!!!

[Benny Profane]

As for that Nazi problem:

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/04/n...an-war-russia/

[kathleenturneroverdrive]

No, I mean, of course I've heard that explanation as well. Vlad's imperial project, or whatever. Still just don't get it...didn't the USSR give it their best shot to Russify Ukraine already??

This video does a good job of explaining a lot of the likely reasons Putin's doing this. Summary for me is it's most NATO defense, Crimea (access and water), and oil/gas. "Making Russia Great Again" is probably just PR for the base.

[jono]

As for that Nazi problem:

Russian troll: go fuck yourself

The Grayzone is a left-wing to far-left news website and blog founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal. The website, initially founded as The Grayzone Project, was affiliated with AlterNet before becoming independent in early 2018. The website's news content is generally considered to be fringe and it is known for its sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes and its denial of the Uyghur genocide.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

74% of Americans are in support of No Fly.

Z pulled no punches in his criticism of NATO today.

Z is meeting with whole of US Senate tomorrow.

A no fly zone is the end


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[neufox47]

Take this for what it's worth because it's based on my limited information re: this conflict and what is going on inside Russia bit I going to go out on a limb and say I just don't see how this is going to work out for Vlad.

From all accounts he's isolated his people from the world and is making crazy pronouncements about Nazis in Ukraine. Russians may be many things but they are not North Koreans kowtowing to "Dear Leader." I believe them to be independent thinkers who I'm sure are both angry and freightened at this point. He is making them complicit in his insanity and ruining their standing in the world. How could this possibly end well for him?

I think this ends by Vlad dieing at the hands of his people or himself. I don’t think Russians will enjoy going into a depression.

The Russian war machine looks weaker than it has in the last 15 years, maybe 20.

[grinch]

Idk, pooty is drunk with power. Looking similar to an abusive husband that has a restraint against him seeing the wife and kids. Doesnt care about the persons just the power

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[subtle plague]

As for that Nazi problem:

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/04/n...an-war-russia/

Are you sure your czar didn't send them there? [emoji6]

https://khpg.org/en/1608809502

[Bunion 2020]

If the Russian military continues to be stymied in the north, it’s possible that Putin could explore a negotiated settlement in which the Ukrainian government surrenders the Donbass and offers some “guarantees” to Russia.

On the other hand, it is possible that Putin views a negotiated settlement as a risk to his domestic political position. In which case, Putin may escalate in an attempt to sever NATO’s material support of Ukraine in an attempt to crush the Ukrainian government.

In the case of an escalation, we would expect to see intelligence reports from the French or German government that Russia is arming its battlefield ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads and has activated the command circuits used for issuing authorization to employ nuclear weapons. Putin would most likely privately approach either German Prime Minister Olaf Scholz or French President Emmanuel Macron, who has thus far been his chosen interlocutor, and tell them that they have a last chance to avoid a nuclear strike by ending NATO military supplies to Ukraine through German air bases.

At which point, what would NATO do? And what could America do? These are questions we ought to be gaming out now, even if we hope such a moment does not come to pass.
Whatever our ultimate decision in such a showdown, there are a number of measures that could be taken by the West.

First and most urgently, President Biden should publicly call upon the Russian military not to obey orders to use nuclear weapons against Ukraine or NATO. Vladimir Putin may have nothing to lose, but the Russian people have everything to live for. Private military to military channels should reinforce that message.

Second, American missile defenses in Europe should be placed on higher levels of readiness. Small numbers of short and medium range ballistic missiles are the most likely Russian nuclear delivery systems, but these are vulnerable to AEGIS Ashore ballistic missile defense systems in Romania and in Poland. The former has been operating for five years. The latter was scheduled to be operational by the end of 2022. This should be accelerated.

The radars of those systems were deliberately not optimized for defense against Russian missiles. But this can be ameliorated by linking those systems to radars elsewhere.

The United States also has four ships with AEGIS systems that are dedicated to NATO missile defense based in Spain. They should be sent to the Baltic or the Black Sea—or wherever they will be most useful.

Other warning systems can be deployed or activated. The United States decided not to conduct a previously scheduled ICBM test flight so as to avoid risks of miscommunication or reading of American intent. This was wise. But this delay also may have convinced Putin that his threats are making the United States more cautious.

And we must be cautious. But we also must convince Putin that he cannot coerce NATO.

The measures proposed here are defensive, not offensive, and are designed to neutralize Putin’s ability to carry out threats.

But Putin could decide to go ahead anyway, in a game of nuclear chicken.

So third, the United States should prepare all means available to disrupt commands from Putin to his rocket forces.

And fourth, NATO should be ready to deal with radioactive fallout from a Russian strike and to provide medical and humanitarian assistance to the victims of such a strike. But preparations for offensive nuclear retaliatory strikes—or even precision non-nuclear strikes against Russian targets—at this point would pose unnecessary risks of escalation and are not advisable.

We have ignored Putin’s nuclear threats for too long. Now is the time to impede his ability to carry them out.

https://www.thebulwark.com/putin-and...lear-end-game/

[dunfree]

This video does a good job of explaining a lot of the likely reasons Putin's doing this. Summary for me is it's most NATO defense, Crimea (access and water), and oil/gas. "Making Russia Great Again" is probably just PR for the base.

what base? It’s Russia. He just got rid of local elections.


he needs to keep the flywheel of corruption spinning, and it’s ever more wasteful and expensive. Those seized superyachts aren’t the product of fantastically profitable because they are innovative companies, they are the symbols of waste and theft

[dunfree]

Interesting... or perhaps the Russians are saving their planes for NATO

two of Russia’s best planes were downed today alone.

[ex-powderbroker]

and the kremlin approved neo nazis currently hunting down Z:

https://www.respublica.lt/post/neona...samdiniu-tarpe

[liv2ski]

It may be true that this is mostly about natural resources. I just can't get my head around the idea of killing people over that. It's not like Russia faces existential collapse without Ukraine's gas. Just hard to believe they're destroying cities and killing thousands of people for any of these reasons.

No it makes perfect sense to me Dex, when combined with the idea that Putin does not want a successful democracy on Russia's border that was a former satellite. But that is the kind of cunt Putin is.

[Hood26]

Well since folks thought my post had a position, I might as well share one now. To be clear, with my limited understanding, I am not in favor of a No Fly Zone.

I am however in favor of a Berlin Airlift for humanitarian aid and extraction of non combatants. I would start with Mariupol. I would call Puts right up on the hotline and I be sure to remind him that his Soviet Comrades of the past were smart enough not to interfere.

[Benny Profane]

Russian troll: go fuck yourself

Ah, I see, you only read approved sources, the same ones that told us about WMDs, right?

[frorider]

Anyone know the real situation re: VPNs in Russia? I recall reading Putin only approved a handful—they abided by his censorship reqmts. Many Chinese citizens get VPN access to open web…I’ve always assumed it’s difficult for a shithead gummint to truly shut down access…

[Bunion 2020]

Ah, I see, you only read approved sources, the same ones that told us about WMDs, right?

Dance faster you fucking monkey. None of it changes anything except in your tiny little mind.

[dunfree]

Anyone know the real situation re: VPNs in Russia? I recall reading Putin only approved a handful—they abided by his censorship reqmts. Many Chinese citizens get VPN access to open web…I’ve always assumed it’s difficult for a shithead gummint to truly shut down access…

many? Lol

[dunfree]

Ah, I see, you only read approved sources, the same ones that told us about WMDs, right?

thegrayzone? That’s like watching RT and thinking it’s not an approved source

[Adolf Allerbush]

Anyone know the real situation re: VPNs in Russia? I recall reading Putin only approved a handful—they abided by his censorship reqmts. Many Chinese citizens get VPN access to open web…I’ve always assumed it’s difficult for a shithead gummint to truly shut down access…

I don't know...but fox news is still on in Russia

[Mazderati]

It means that nuclear deterrence is the ultimate arbiter of peace.

A polite society is an armed society. Is that the message? If so, Iran and North Korea should continue seeking nuclear proliferation and every other country in the world should start. That seems like an escalation away from peace.

If we voluntarily join a war on the side of a friendly but non-treaty ally and engage in direct combat with a nuclear power, then we will live in interesting times in the most negative Chinese proverbial sense.

So what is the right choice after we make the right choice to fight on the side of Ukraine? Shall we skip to the chase? The Russians will eventually escalate to nuclear.

I find it odd that I am the dove here... so here is some Regan for ya: "every lesson history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement"

I only became a geopolitics expert this week but where does the Budapest Memorandum fit? UA gave up a stockpile of nuclear weapons for guarantees of recognition, peace, and security. USA was a signatory. Signing also made UA part of the NPT.

I'm no hawk. I can't imagine asking people to go fight for their lives. But it's a perverse injustice that a country with model leadership and citizenry in the face of the most dire circumstances is penalized for being exactly what USA and EU wants them to be.

[MontuckyFried]

Russian billionaires finally publicly telling Putin to knock it off. Bout time! More to follow I'm sure.

Russia's second biggest oil company calls for an end to Putin's war
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/04/busin...war/index.html

Hopefully the economic squeeze path IS how we can resolve the conflict. At least in the short term.

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[jono]

Ah, I see, you only read approved sources, the same ones that told us about WMDs, right?

I read entirely too much of that shit before realizing you post shit without reading it yourself or applying any critical reasoning. Gave you the quick summary.

Knowing you're reading Russian propaganda helps, but only if you remember that Russian propaganda is full of unsubstantiated assertions and they depend on the audience to be credulous idiots who accept their alternative "facts" without question. By re-posting you're showing you belong to that group.

Specifically: there are many different takes on the Azov battalion, particularly more recent ones, and none of that is addressed at all. Why? Because it weakens the propaganda. The statement that Western countries installed the current government in a coup should have been a clue that you were reading bullshit. Quit being a credulous cuck.

[frorider]

many? Lol

Let’s not turn this into a China discussion, but there was a time not that long ago that surveys suggd 30% in China had used VPN access. It’s routine for many businesses and other ‘legit’ users. Chinese govt struggles with how to handle this without fucking up economic goals. It’s not illegal per se, but China recently imposed a fine. My old job had significant Chinese - American and Chinese resident coworkers…VPN use very high in that segment naturally. Im not super up to date on this but apparently I know more than you.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Russian billionaires finally publicly telling Putin to knock it off. Bout time! More to follow I'm sure.

Russia's second biggest oil company calls for an end to Putin's war
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/04/busin...war/index.html

Hopefully the economic squeeze path IS how we can resolve the conflict. At least in the short term.

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Wow, you mean patience has some value?


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