ON3P SKIS Discussion

[adrenalated]

Wife was jealous of my ON3Ps and I ended up snagging a screaming deal on a used pair of 2019 Jessies.

Looks like the previous (2nd) owner moved the toes back but kept the heels in place from the first mount. After adjusting to fit my wife's boots, she's about 2.5cm back from the recommended line.

For those with Jessie (or, presumably, Jeffrey) knowledge, how would one expect that to affect the experience?

She's no park rat and never rides switch, just appreciates a looser feel than dedicated carvers and wanted more weight underfoot that her lightweight Armada Victa 93s. "Worst" case scenario is a remount, which obviously isn't the end of the world, but she's eager to try them out and I don't want to have her accidentally hate them simply due to the current mount.

A more aft mount will allow the tip of the ski to be driven more aggressively and be more stable at speed, but will cause the turn initiation to be slower and the ski more reluctant to pivot when skied with a centered stance. As others have said -2.5cm is certainly within a reasonable range for that ski and I'd agree that she should try them as is. If she feels like they are difficult to ski, remount closer to recommended.

[kid-kapow]

A more aft mount will allow the tip of the ski to be driven more aggressively and be more stable at speed, but will cause the turn initiation to be slower and the ski more reluctant to pivot when skied with a centered stance.

yes, this - I totally forgot to answer that part of the question.

Good point too Brundo that a lot of more directional skiers have been mounting their jeffs at -2 for years, before the coming of le woody.

[Ørion]

2.5cm - aka 5mm aft of the rrecommended range - or or so behind the line is not going to ruin the ski, even if they will probably ski even better mounted slightly closer to center.

I would give it a go and if she kinda likes em at -2.5 then perhaps remount them within the range, if she loves them - keep as is. If she hates them, remount then too

Jefferys have a large sweet spot. Before the woodsman, many people rode jefferys mounted back. Similar to her, I don't ski switch but like a loose playful ski. I've got demo bindings on my jefferys and liked them at -2, I prefer on the line but if an existing mount was there I'd be happy with that as well and many people prefer mounted back. I'd let her try them at the existing mount before remounting

A more aft mount will allow the tip of the ski to be driven more aggressively and be more stable at speed, but will cause the turn initiation to be slower and the ski more reluctant to pivot when skied with a centered stance. As others have said -2.5cm is certainly within a reasonable range for that ski and I'd agree that she should try them as is. If she feels like they are difficult to ski, remount closer to recommended.

yes, this - I totally forgot to answer that part of the question.

Good point too Brundo that a lot of more directional skiers have been mounting their jeffs at -2 for years, before the coming of le woody.

That's a pretty universal agreement it looks like. I'll let her know how the further back mount point is expected to perform so if she doesn't like an aspect of how it skis, she's got a reference point.

ON3P (mini) quiver tax:

[ls13]

Current '18 Wren 108 186 (these Wrens were less stiff in tips and tails) skier here... Love 'em. 5'9, 170, age 58. Enjoy doing fast long radius turns, side mountain, tree bumps, etc. As I'm getting older, looking for something I can pivot faster in the bumps, easier on knees and hips, and a ski that requires less attention to do shorter radius turns on ski'd out groomers with my kids (ie icy hardpack; I feel I have to really concentrate to get the turn started earlier, and feather in hard pressure to get the big Wrens to turn short on hardpack without sliding out). Have older 98 Kartels. Enjoyed them, but didn't like battling with foreaft balance on high speed turns in mixed conditions (bumps were fun on these skis, lots of tail though, and didn't ski that much switch). Love ON3P for the damped, stable feel.
Shorter length 102 ti's? 102 or 96 Woodsman? Custom Titanal Woodsman? Holy Shred?
Appreciate y'alls thoughts.

[jackattack]

Found some decent snow earlier this month on the BG108t. I continue to be stoked with this setup.

https://youtube.com/shorts/5ruMhiAfrQM?feature=share

[jackattack]

Also, who’s skiing Crustal???

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CZDNP...dium=copy_link

[Marko888]

Current '18 Wren 108 186 (these Wrens were less stiff in tips and tails) skier here... Love 'em. 5'9, 170, age 58. Enjoy doing fast long radius turns, side mountain, tree bumps, etc. As I'm getting older, looking for something I can pivot faster in the bumps, easier on knees and hips, and a ski that requires less attention to do shorter radius turns on ski'd out groomers with my kids (ie icy hardpack; I feel I have to really concentrate to get the turn started earlier, and feather in hard pressure to get the big Wrens to turn short on hardpack without sliding out). Have older 98 Kartels. Enjoyed them, but didn't like battling with foreaft balance on high speed turns in mixed conditions (bumps were fun on these skis, lots of tail though, and didn't ski that much switch). Love ON3P for the damped, stable feel.
Shorter length 102 ti's? 102 or 96 Woodsman? Custom Titanal Woodsman? Holy Shred?
Appreciate y'alls thoughts.

I’m just a few years younger than you… 5’-10” 188#.
I thought my 182 Woodsman 102’s would be my equivalent to what you describe as looking for… not. Great in soft snow and quite easy to ski, but so far, not enough grip in firm/hard snow. I’ve had them sharpened so they’ll get one more day to impress… if they fail, 184 Wren 102ti.

I find adjusting between Billy Goat balance to Woodsman a bit harder than I expected… but the main issue is hard snow. The Woods sale and new Wren 102ti is likely a forgone conclusion.

I hope this helpful.

[ls13]

I’m just a few years younger than you… 5’-10” 188#.
I thought my 182 Woodsman 102’s would be my equivalent to what you describe as looking for… not. Great in soft snow and quite easy to ski, but so far, not enough grip in firm/hard snow. I’ve had them sharpened so they’ll get one more day to impress… if they fail, 184 Wren 102ti.

I find adjusting between Billy Goat balance to Woodsman a bit harder than I expected… but the main issue is hard snow. The Woods sale and new Wren 102ti is likely a forgone conclusion.

I hope this helpful.

Very helpful! My only question is if "stepping down" to the 102 is enough of a step, and what would be the shortest length that would still satisfy the fast and stable part...

[MHSP1497]

My buddy (63) says the Woodsman 110 are the “perfect” Telemark ski. He couldn’t stop smiling today on his maiden ride on them.

[sf]

Current '18 Wren 108 186 (these Wrens were less stiff in tips and tails) skier here... Love 'em. 5'9, 170, age 58. Enjoy doing fast long radius turns, side mountain, tree bumps, etc. As I'm getting older, looking for something I can pivot faster in the bumps, easier on knees and hips, and a ski that requires less attention to do shorter radius turns on ski'd out groomers with my kids (ie icy hardpack; I feel I have to really concentrate to get the turn started earlier, and feather in hard pressure to get the big Wrens to turn short on hardpack without sliding out). Have older 98 Kartels. Enjoyed them, but didn't like battling with foreaft balance on high speed turns in mixed conditions (bumps were fun on these skis, lots of tail though, and didn't ski that much switch). Love ON3P for the damped, stable feel.
Shorter length 102 ti's? 102 or 96 Woodsman? Custom Titanal Woodsman? Holy Shred?
Appreciate y'alls thoughts.

I've had a pair of 189 108s for a few years, and got a pair of 187 Woodsman 102 this year.
They ski pretty similar, except from the fact that the WDs are a lot less ski. If that's something you'd appreciate is up to you. I'll write up a review of the WDs at some point, but after some tuning issues I'm liking them a lot.
- no, they are not a ski for bulletproof and icy groomers, but they initiate very easily
- yes, they are poppy, nimble and float pretty well for a 102
- they ski softer than they hand-flex, and I would not size down. You say "186" Wren, but it's either 184 or 189, no? If you can manage the 189 Wrens, the 187 WD will be a very manageable ski in comparison. If you're on the 184 both 182 and 187 will be ok, but the 182s will be a snowblade in comparison

Edit: acutally skied the 108s yesterday, and I think I'll have to moderate myself. There's more difference than I remembered. Still a lot of the same behaviour when skiing fast, but the WD are much happier crossing the fall line and noodling around - without being noodles.

[Marko888]

[QUOTE=ls13;6546070]Very helpful! My only question is if "stepping down" to the 102 is enough of a step, and what would be the shortest length that would still satisfy the fast and stable part...[/

It would be a good idea to call and talk to ON3P about this… my take is that a fair bit tighter sidecut, plus metal, is the best you can do with current stock model ON3P’s. Given how little my 182 Wds 102 feels, I’ll go 184 in the Wren.

[GBB]

I just decided to list my pair of 184 Wren 96 Ti. Located in Tahoe but can deliver to SLC or Jackson in the next week. Happy to ship as well.

[SkiJitsu]

I just got back from a cat skiing trip and liked the BG118s so much I bought a pair of the 110s. I ordered thr BG110 in 187. The 192s are a lot of ski in trees but more manageable than I expected. I was also shocked at how well they did on groomers. As long as it wasn’t ice you could put them on edge and bomb down. You can’t really lean on them and carve but I was comfortable hitting 50mph on the way back to the lift which isn’t something I expected.

[margotron]

BG110 seems pretty solid as a west coast daily chargey ski. recently ive had a change of heart and felt my BGs are too much ski in less than 4". been wishing i was on something more nimble. maybe im getting old

[Marko888]

BG110 seems pretty solid as a west coast daily chargey ski. recently ive had a change of heart and felt my BGs are too much ski in less than 4". been wishing i was on something more nimble. maybe im getting old

they are definitely much more nimble! For sure size up and not down.

[MHSP1497]

Yesterday afternoon at Ski Bowl I encountered conditions where my Jeffrey 108’s didn’t shine like they usually do. It was boot-deep heavy, high water content snow that setup quick if I dug an edge too hard. Had some fun in it at first right off the chair up high but it soon became really annoying; the tails kept getting hung up. I should’ve been on my Cease&Desists, the tail taper and asym shape probably would have been less work despite the increased weight.

Still a little gun-shy to ride them after a bad crash over Xmas. Maybe I need some Billy Goat 110’s…

[f=ma]

Sounds like breakable crust?

[Doremite]

Current '18 Wren 108 186 (these Wrens were less stiff in tips and tails) skier here... Love 'em. 5'9, 170, age 58. Enjoy doing fast long radius turns, side mountain, tree bumps, etc. As I'm getting older, looking for something I can pivot faster in the bumps, easier on knees and hips, and a ski that requires less attention to do shorter radius turns on ski'd out groomers with my kids (ie icy hardpack; I feel I have to really concentrate to get the turn started earlier, and feather in hard pressure to get the big Wrens to turn short on hardpack without sliding out). Have older 98 Kartels. Enjoyed them, but didn't like battling with foreaft balance on high speed turns in mixed conditions (bumps were fun on these skis, lots of tail though, and didn't ski that much switch). Love ON3P for the damped, stable feel.
Shorter length 102 ti's? 102 or 96 Woodsman? Custom Titanal Woodsman? Holy Shred?
Appreciate y'alls thoughts.

182cm Woodsman 96 sounds like it would be a great ski for you to try. I am assuming you are on a 184cm Wren 108 which skis like a pow ski in comparison to the WD 96. If you are on a 189cm go for the 187 Woodsman 96 (or those 184cm Wren 96Ti in gear swap).

I have Woodsman 96s, Wren 98s, Wren 96s, Woodsman 108s and Wren 108s. The 96/98 platform is significantly more nimble than the 108 platforms. Much more forgiving in terms of speed control in tight and bumpy variable terrain. 6”+ new snow I reach for 108s but otherwise the skinner models as a daily driver.

I find the Woodsmans to be just a tad easier to ski than Wrens but not by much. Slightly more playful but still plenty of stability and backbone when laid into. Like the Wren they want to be driven and reward aggressive skiing. I have never skied a Kartel or Jeff but wife skis the Jessie. If there is a (rough) spectrum between the Jeffs and Wren I would estimate the Woodsman are 75% Wren and 25% Jeff so I don’t think you’d run into the same issues with the Woodsman you described w your Kartels.

[MiddleOfNight]

Yesterday afternoon at Ski Bowl I encountered conditions where my Jeffrey 108’s didn’t shine like they usually do. It was boot-deep heavy, high water content snow that setup quick if I dug an edge too hard. Had some fun in it at first right off the chair up high but it soon became really annoying; the tails kept getting hung up. I should’ve been on my Cease&Desists, the tail taper and asym shape probably would have been less work despite the increased weight.

Still a little gun-shy to ride them after a bad crash over Xmas. Maybe I need some Billy Goat 110’s…

^ Very interesting. I never thought about C&D performance in these type conditions, based on their taper and shape.

On a recent tour we skied a line with something similar: wind effected dense-ish, but similar performing. My buddy aired commentary exactly like yours, using some brand-X ski (uh-oh). I could feel the snow was a little funky, but my C&D's made it ski amazing for me.

I'm all about mechanical advantage. C&D ftw.

[cydwhit]

Only one day, in sorta weird conditions, but so far I'm so friggin hyped on the J118 tours. This tour layup feels ridiculously good, even in a weird mix of fresh snow and coral reef. Can't wait to ski these more!

[kid-kapow]

Only one day, in sorta weird conditions, but so far I'm so friggin hyped on the J118 tours. This tour layup feels ridiculously good, even in a weird mix of fresh snow and coral reef. Can't wait to ski these more!

Nice! I might have missed it, but what did these end up weighing?

[TexasGortex]

I got my C&Ds out for the first time today, albeit in suboptimal conditions: 6” that skied like 2”. I was excited to try them, what are you going to do?

They are very easy to ski and forgiving. I’d call them extremely relaxed and stable. You can easily tell they will be an excellent resort powder day ski. Much less hooky than my Pillowfights. Pretty much the only area they aren’t forgiving is falling into the backseat in tight trees. They prefer a gentle relaxed style. They don’t punish aggression, they just don’t reward it either. Any hint of pushing the ski hard results in a pivot, which is fun and kind of the point. I’m not used to skis this directional or rear mounted…. The pivot point feels almost a foot in front of the toes (probably where RES ends) where as most of my skis pivot under foot. They ski poorly switch, which isn’t a shock. Great pop, feel light in the air for such a large ski, and very stable on landings. Achilles heel would be the inevitable groomer between resort runs. You can get safely down, but that’s about it. I generally prefer edging GS style turns even on my powder skis and these aren’t going to do it. They excel at chopped powder. I’d choose the Pillowfights in untracked but how often does that happen all day? If they make a revamped Pillowfight I’d be the first to sign up.

Biggest surprises? How gentle they like to be skied, how relaxed they are in demeanor, and they like to make much tighter radius turns than I was expecting.

I probably won’t bring them out again until 12”+ day at the resort but they will be great when I do. I’d much prefer my Bacons for days under a foot or when I have to catch the occasional packed powder or groomed run.

[MiddleOfNight]

less hooky than my Pillowfights.

what

[jdadour]

what

I had the same response. Not sure how that's possible!

[TexasGortex]

I find the Pillowfights a bit hooky or grabby in chopped up snow and transitions in variable conditions. I’ve gotten thrown OTB a handful of times.