Electric Bike Thread

[HankScorpio]

yeah but it ain't got a gasoline motor so one could argue its not really a motorcycle, that its just somewhere on the continuum of the electric motorized bicycle

which should be allowed anywhere?

I never made an argument anywhere for or against ebikes. I frankly don’t give a damn. DaveVT posted a link for an electric dirt bike and I said it’d be cool for riding dirt roads, that’s all.


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[XXX-er]

no tryn to bust yer balls or any thing HS but hopefully you see my point why the cutoff point is just motor or not ?

consider these E-bikes can & will be easily be modified and think 5 yrs down the road what an e-bike will look like?

[ill-advised strategy]

The whole premise behind allowing mountain bikes is that they are human powered. Allow motors and lose everything.

No, actually the premise was about the motors of the time, which were super loud, required spillable flammable hazmat to operate, and left blue fumey smokey 2 stroke exhaust behind them.

Your comparison of small silent electric pedal assist to any dirtbike motor from the era when motors were being banned is absurd. .

[XXX-er]

No, actually the premise was about the motors of the time, which were super loud, required spillable flammable hazmat to operate, and left blue fumey smokey 2 stroke exhaust behind them.

Your comparison of small silent electric pedal assist to any dirtbike motor from the era when motors were being banned is absurd. .

https://www.altamotors.co/redshiftmxr#redshift-mx-1

how about this e-bike ^^ ?

what are e-bikes and what could they become ?

[mtngirl79]

No, actually the premise was about the motors of the time, which were super loud, required spillable flammable hazmat to operate, and left blue fumey smokey 2 stroke exhaust behind them.

Your comparison of small silent electric pedal assist to any dirtbike motor from the era when motors were being banned is absurd. .

There are other very valid reasons for limiting some areas to human power only than just the the offensiveness of gasoline/2 stroke/4 stroke or whatever the hell it is/was.

[rideit]

What Would John Muir Do?

[Bunion 2020]

Dunno about Mr Muir, but.

Today I and 2 riding buddies went over near Anaconda and rode a new (built 2 years ago) section of the CDT. We managed an out and back of about 8 miles each way and encountered 50+ trees across the trail. Frustrating with a 28 lb bike. Unpossible with a 50 lb e-bike.

Just an observation.

Your comparison of small silent electric pedal assist to any dirtbike motor from the era when motors were being banned is absurd. .

1. Does it have a Motor?

2. Is the hypothetical area designated Non-motorized?

What you find absurd I see as pretty cut and dry.

[toast2266]

What Would John Muir Do?

Pick a side and be a dick about it on the internet?

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[rideit]

I dunno...maybe he would be walking along some 200 mile trek thinking "If only there was some easier way to do this shit!"

[ill-advised strategy]

There are other very valid reasons for limiting some areas to human power only than just the the offensiveness of gasoline/2 stroke/4 stroke or whatever the hell it is/was.

I find most of them to be rooted in forms of elitism
"If they're not in shape like me, they don't deserve to have the fun I have"
"we were here first, our advocacy buys us the right to exclude others"... i.e. pulling the ladder up behind you.

and/or quasi-puritanical notions about needing to pay a penance of suffering to enjoy outdoor recreation.
"they're lazy...they should work for their fun like I do."

and/or, as earlier stated, fundamentalist notions about all motors being equal and ignoring the original context and intent of longstanding (and as such, outdated) motor/nonmotor regs.
"pedal-assist makes it a motorcycle, so go ride your pedal-assist bike on the freeway or the supercross track with the other motorcycles"


None really "very valid" in my view.

[wooley12]

A gang of over weight middle aged ebikers just went by. No helmets. There a probably 1000's of miles of "trails" where ebikes are not legal but the right machine for the job of recreating boomers

[Mountainman]

There are other very valid reasons for limiting some areas to human power only than just the the offensiveness of gasoline/2 stroke/4 stroke or whatever the hell it is/was.

What are the very valid reasons?

[Dee Hubbs]

For all of you:
Rouge is makeup. Trails are rogue.
There refers to a place. Their refers belongings of more than one person.
Ya'll two wheelers need to work on your grammar.

Team Rouge



Rogue Team

[MultiVerse]

I find most of them to be rooted in forms of elitism
"If they're not in shape like me, they don't deserve to have the fun I have"
"we were here first, our advocacy buys us the right to exclude others"... i.e. pulling the ladder up behind you.

and/or quasi-puritanical notions about needing to pay a penance of suffering to enjoy outdoor recreation.
"they're lazy...they should work for their fun like I do."

and/or, as earlier stated, fundamentalist notions about all motors being equal and ignoring the original context and intent of longstanding (and as such, outdated) motor/nonmotor regs.
"pedal-assist makes it a motorcycle, so go ride your pedal-assist bike on the freeway or the supercross track with the other motorcycles"


None really "very valid" in my view.

The fundamental problem with the "elitism" argument is that nobody is preventing anyone from buying a new or used bike and going for a ride. Riding bikes is one of the most fun, most popular, things people do. Nobody is pulling the ladder up behind them.

It's an argument that makes no sense. Just because a person doesn't like serious cyclists™ doesn't mean they can't have a hell of a lot of fun on a regular bike, anyway.

[MultiVerse]

A gang of over weight middle aged ebikers just went by. No helmets. There a probably 1000's of miles of "trails" where ebikes are not legal but the right machine for the job of recreating boomers

Your location with its wide path seems like an ideal place for ebikes.

[theetruscan]

https://m.pinkbike.com/news/Back-on-...rd-Injury.html

not trying to start a fight with the angry fanatics, just posting some ebike stoke.


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[El Chupacabra]

What Would John Muir Do?

I work with someone who's a great great something descendant from Muir. Want me to ask him? It's as close as you can get.

[mtngirl79]

When I first started mountain biking I would ride lost giants to mole trap and ride the road back and I was dead tired after. Then I started going down new issues, kaya, bunny trails, and crossing the road and looping back down briar rabbit, lost giants and last call. Then I started climbing up to the "next level"...

I started from zero. I'm still a slow climber/Walkabiker.

I can understand not wanting to put the time and effort in to gain skills and fitness but the term elitist is so absolutely off base about mountain bike culture it makes me angry to read.

I have been welcome in this community with open arms like I have never been in my whole entire life.

I ride along and people know my name. It was like that when I had no skills on a 15 year old hard tail and it's the same now.

Most mountain bikers are not elitist, and the culture is pretty damn inclusive. Pro riders level ride with me... WITH me, not wait for me, but ride with me.

Pretty much all you have to do is show up and be stoked.

[ill-advised strategy]

The fundamental problem with the "elitism" argument is that nobody is preventing anyone from buying a new or used bike and going for a ride. Riding bikes is one of the most fun, most popular, things people do. Nobody is pulling the ladder up behind them.

It's an argument that makes no sense. Just because a person doesn't like serious cyclists™ doesn't mean they can't have a hell of a lot of fun on a regular bike, anyway.

Yeah, actually though what you're saying here is "I like the thing I like, but not what you like, so it's fine if we just ban the thing you like, because everyone should be like me and do the things I like to do instead of the things they like to do."

[ill-advised strategy]

Nobody is preventing snowboarders from going and skiing Alta on skis. etc.

we've seen all this before.

[rideit]

I bet Mike Vandeman strokes out over e-MTB's.

[MultiVerse]

Yeah, actually though what you're saying here is "I like the thing I like, but not what you like, so it's fine if we just ban the thing you like, because everyone should be like me and do the things I like to do instead of the things they like to do."

Nobody is preventing snowboarders from going and skiing Alta on skis. etc.

we've seen all this before.

Nonsense. Hikers, runners... there are several other self propelled categories.

Skis vs snowboards is more akin to surfboards vs SUPS, not ebikes vs bikes. Even though they're nowhere near the speed and power of ICE motos, ebikes still have a motor. If a person wants to argue an electric motor is different than an ICE motor, that's fine, but arguing ebikes are the same "but for elitism" is as absurd as saying "ebikes are just bikes" or "ebikes don't go any faster" or "the motor only helping 15%."

The issue is people claiming ebikes are just bikes. Ebikes are motorized and that adds speed. Even though more speed might not be a problem in some places, it is definitely a problem in other places.

People who ride bikes on non-motorized trails don't want to be placed in the same category as ebikes. This discussion boils down to one side pointing out the obvious fact that ebikes are a separate motorized category of vehicle while the other argues they are the same. Just acknowledge they are different and that ebikes may not be appropriate everywhere.

[grinch]

I bet Mike Vandeman strokes out over e-MTB's.

Safe to say he’d need the E assist

[TahoeJ]

I bet Mike Vandeman strokes out over e-MTB's.

Lol... I can actually provide written evidence of this. Hence my Marin talk earlier in this thread.

[Bunion 2020]

Can we please stop labeling them Ebikes.

Call them what they are, Ecycles.