Electric Bike Thread

[gravitylover]

If you spend 7 grand on a pretend2pedal bike and you don't just buy a moto you're a fucking idiot. Carry on.

So you have to love the noise and such to appreciate anything with a motor. Got it. What if you only spend half of that?

[TahoeBC]

Don’t own one, but who knows in a few years, being retired now and riding pretty much every day there is some appeal to having one for recovery days.

I do not want them classified the same as a regular bike. But if land managers decide they want to allow them I’m ok with it.

I have a buddy that has one who is a very strong rider, stronger than I’ll ever be on his non ebike. Allows him to go out after work and knock out much bigger rides than he could on his regular bike. He typically rides at the lowest assist level but peddles just as hard as he would on a normal bike, amazing how much more distance he can cover in the same time and he certainly has not lost any fitness

On a recent ride in the lakes basin near downieville with him where the they are allowed I was blown away at the technical uphills he was able to clean that no one else could. Definitely a different skill set than riding a normal bike.

Here he is topping out on a very steep rock face I could hardly believe it. Another guy in our group on a regular bike made 5 attempts at this and could not even make into the frame of this photo and that guy sets KOM’s all over Tahoe.



Anyway my knee jerk reaction at first was to hate them. But it seems the genie is out of the bag and there here to stay so they need to be addressed. If a land manager wants to ban them fine by me, also fine with me if they want to allow them.

I see them on occasion on trails there not allowed and really can’t get to worked up about it, god knows it would be pretty hypocritical based on the places I’m willing to ride my regular bike.

Anyway that’s my 2 cents, carry on...



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[buttahflake]

That pic makes me want one, more than ever. Damn, that is a freaking wall he’s riding up.

[wooley12]

ebiker just went by. Wearing a helmet. No pads or lycra. On this 90 degree evening he'll get a cool breeze without breaking a sweat. Doing about 10mph I'd guess. He'll be at the lake that is 4 miles up the trail in 15-20 minutes.

[jono]

Pic makes me wish I wasn't so far from Tahoe. Time to go find more rock.

[Vt-Freeheel]

so what are you when you spend 7K on a pedal bike with no motor ?

Rich poser douchebag with no riding skills.

[JerseyDave]

Just embrace it. You want a moto.
https://www.altamotors.co/redshiftmxr#redshift-mx-1

[HankScorpio]

Just embrace it. You want a moto.
https://www.altamotors.co/redshiftmxr#redshift-mx-1

50 instant electric hp, that's a serious power to weight ratio. I'd buy that blasting dirt roads all day, too bad its $12k.

[californiagrown]

Rich poser douchebag with no riding skills.

Kinda true. If you had the skills you would have industry support or a hookup and wouldnt be paying 7k out of pocket. Heck my coworker used to work at a shop and using that hookup built up a Nomad4 with carbon wheels and top spec everything and it only came out to just under $5k out of pocket because of the discount. His M.O. is to build and ride a top spec bike for a season and then sell it in really good condition for a few hundred dollar profit the next spring.

[Dantheman]

Here he is topping out on a very steep rock face I could hardly believe it. Another guy in our group on a regular bike made 5 attempts at this and could not even make into the frame of this photo and that guy sets KOM’s all over Tahoe.

That is pretty bad ass. Look like it would be no joke to ride down.

[Name Redacted]

That is pretty bad ass.

Looks like 5.8 to me, is 5.10 making tires now?

[Bunion 2020]

That is pretty bad ass. Look like it would be no joke to ride down.

That is impressive.

And will be used by those who hate Mtn Bikes and the continued fight for trail access as a club to beat us with.

[TahoeBC]

That is pretty bad ass. Look like it would be no joke to ride down.

It’s not bad going down if your used to riding steeper stuff, there is a trail that was built that goes up the back side that you can ride up just to roll down this feature.

Btw this was a 5k levo he was riding, cheaper than my non ebike



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[skysos]

You must not be trying very hard. Or you're lying.



Dude did a climb on his regular trail bike in 4 minutes 4 seconds. Cross country rider on race bike did it in 3 minutes and 16 seconds and ebike in 2 minutes and 16 seconds.

It's a big difference in speed.

According to the video, dude didn't have too much trouble keeping the bike maxed out on power assist speed on the climb.

No, I'm not talking about roads like in that video. I'm talking about tight single track with rocks, switchbacks, roots, and steep shit. Roads are a non issue because there is plenty of room to pass, and as I said, on roads I pass people. Also, full disclosure is that I pretty much suck as a mtn bike rider even though I've been doing it for 20+ years.

[gravitylover]

That is impressive.

And will be used by those who hate Mtn Bikes and the continued fight for trail access as a club to beat us with.

Why, what kind of damage could he possibly be doing? Rubber vs rock... ooh a skid mark

[mtngirl79]

He was on a trail. Not gnarly right single track but a trail similar to what you might find somewhere at galbraith

[Dantheman]

It’s not bad going down if your used to riding steeper stuff, there is a trail that was built that goes up the back side that you can ride up just to roll down this feature.

Must have a nice exit. I pictured it going down more like this (skip to 2:00):

Why, what kind of damage could he possibly be doing? Rubber vs rock... ooh a skid mark

This kind of rational logic is not possessed by your average bike-hating Sierra Club or Wilderness Society member.

[Bunion 2020]

Why, what kind of damage could he possibly be doing? Rubber vs rock... ooh a skid mark

Living where you do you haven't the faintest idea of what is happening with access in other places. Oh yeah, maybe you have read about some trail somewhere getting closed but to you it is an abstract situation.

I believe you may be a Rep for a bike company. If that is correct your products will be harder to sell as more trails are closed to bikes.

[TahoeBC]

If the land manager is ok with e-bikes what is the hater argument against regular mountain bikes? mountain bike clubs that are concerned about the impact should be taking there case to there local land manger and try to have them banned. In the Tahoe basin there only allowed where moto's can go.

I've been on a number of rides with some folks on e-bikes and I've seen zero evidence of additional trail damage. I guess the argument can be made that more users will wear on the trail more so I get that.


Anyway as far as speed goes I'll give you an example, there is a 39 mile route with 5100 feet of climbing I do every so often all single track though the Sierra, it's usually an all day thing for me and I'm reasonably fit, I average around 5 1/2 hours moving time, toss in another 1 1/2 hours taking breaks and what not. Friend of mine did it on a ebike in around 3 1/2 hours using the lowest assist level available, he was concerned about running out of juice so he went really light weight just a few energy packs and just enough water to get by, he barley made it without running out of juice. A skilled rider experienced with riding e-bikes can pretty much blow away a regular bike.

[mtngirl79]

If the land manager is ok with e-bikes what is the hater argument against regular mountain bikes? mountain bike clubs that are concerned about the impact should be taking there case to there local land manger and try to have them banned. In the Tahoe basin there only allowed where moto's can go.

I've been on a number of rides with some folks on e-bikes and I've seen zero evidence of additional trail damage. I guess the argument can be made that more users will wear on the trail more so I get that.


Anyway as far as speed goes I'll give you an example, there is a 39 mile route with 5100 feet of climbing I do every so often all single track though the Sierra, it's usually an all day thing for me and I'm reasonably fit, I average around 5 1/2 hours moving time, toss in another 1 1/2 hours taking breaks and what not. Friend of mine did it on a ebike in around 3 1/2 hours using the lowest assist level available, he was concerned about running out of juice so he went really light weight just a few energy packs and just enough water to get by, he barley made it without running out of juice. A skilled rider experienced with riding e-bikes can pretty much blow away a regular bike.

Several people in this thread have stated that they dont give a fuck, they will ride their electric motorcycles legal or not.

In my state they are illegal unless specifically allowed.

[californiagrown]

Several people in this thread have stated that they dont give a fuck, they will ride their electric motorcycles legal or not.

In my state they are illegal unless specifically allowed.

And you are a stickler for the rules... unless they get in the way of you riding the awesome unsanctioned trails in the area.

[Bunion 2020]

And you are a stickler for the rules... unless they get in the way of you riding the awesome unsanctioned trails in the area.

Ya know, a lot of what is currently wrong with this world stems from many people thinking that rules are a way to keep them down and they they only apply to other people.

You are still winning.

@ Mtngrl, have you been riding Pirate Trails? Arrrrgh!

If the land manager is ok with e-bikes what is the hater argument against regular mountain bikes? mountain bike clubs that are concerned about the impact should be taking there case to there local land manger and try to have them banned. In the Tahoe basin there only allowed where moto's can go.

I've been on a number of rides with some folks on e-bikes and I've seen zero evidence of additional trail damage. I guess the argument can be made that more users will wear on the trail more so I get that.


Anyway as far as speed goes I'll give you an example, there is a 39 mile route with 5100 feet of climbing I do every so often all single track though the Sierra, it's usually an all day thing for me and I'm reasonably fit, I average around 5 1/2 hours moving time, toss in another 1 1/2 hours taking breaks and what not. Friend of mine did it on a ebike in around 3 1/2 hours using the lowest assist level available, he was concerned about running out of juice so he went really light weight just a few energy packs and just enough water to get by, he barley made it without running out of juice. A skilled rider experienced with riding e-bikes can pretty much blow away a regular bike.

Out of morbid curiosity, is the trail you mentioned open to motorized?

[grinch]

Forums in a nutshell

[mtngirl79]

@ Mtngrl, have you been riding Pirate Trails? Arrrrgh!

One of our best unsanctioned trails is getting sanctioned.

[detrusor]

Hmmm. E motor = motor...no?

Is there a point where a certain cc gas engine pedal assist becomes ok?


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