Electric Bike Thread

[El Kanone]

This is how I picture the whiney fucks on here bitching about total strangers not wearing a helmet.


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[skysos]

I ride a full-suspension e-mtn bike and can tell you that the difference in speed going up hill on singletrack is a non issue. If anyone has an actual case of that causing a problem I would love to hear the circumstances. The difference between 3 and 5 mph on a tight trail is not really significant. The difference between 3 and 20 is, so the biggest problem is one everyone has seen which is when downhillers rip around a blind corner into your face.

The biggest issue I've had is on pavement. Ripping past someone grinding up a 15% grade on a road bike doesn't go over well. I usually avoid that, but sometimes it happens and I usually just stop and talk to them for a while as an advocate for e-bikes. Most people are curious but are afraid that they will "like it too much".

In the end, it's about having fun, and the e-bike is just plain more fun. Just like I'm not fond of hiking up hill to ski lift-served terrain, there's no reason for me to not use class-1 pedal assist to get up hills on a mountain bike. I've got a decent full-suspension non-e mtn bike in the garage gathering dust because of that.

I respect everyone on the trail and think that we can all have our fun the way we want to. I think everyone who has doubts about that should just try an e-bike so they can see that it's really a non-issue.

[grinch]

Wrong thread Jong. This is the thread for wild speculation. We don’t need your facts


The death of the trail bike?!? Pfft. David Turner?!? Who’s that? What does he know?

[skifishbum]

Not very many "more remote places" mountain bikes are allowed and ebike douchies could use their batteries to get there.

Ebikes are like if they made skins with mini snowmobile tracks that moved you up the mountain in the backcountry so you didn't have to work... I mean, you still have to stand so it's kinda like work.

And these mini snowmobiles for your feet are great because you want to ski the backcountry pow, too but you don't have time to get into good enough shape. You live in Texas, right? You only get a week long ski vacation.

[Bunion 2020]

The difference between 3 and 5 mph on a tight trail is not really significant.

Other than being about 80% faster.

[mtngirl79]

I ride a full-suspension e-mtn bike and can tell you that the difference in speed going up hill on singletrack is a non issue. If anyone has an actual case of that causing a problem I would love to hear the circumstances. The difference between 3 and 5 mph on a tight trail is not really significant. The difference between 3 and 20 is, so the biggest problem is one everyone has seen which is when downhillers rip around a blind corner into your face.

The biggest issue I've had is on pavement. Ripping past someone grinding up a 15% grade on a road bike doesn't go over well. I usually avoid that, but sometimes it happens and I usually just stop and talk to them for a while as an advocate for e-bikes. Most people are curious but are afraid that they will "like it too much".

In the end, it's about having fun, and the e-bike is just plain more fun. Just like I'm not fond of hiking up hill to ski lift-served terrain, there's no reason for me to not use class-1 pedal assist to get up hills on a mountain bike. I've got a decent full-suspension non-e mtn bike in the garage gathering dust because of that.

I respect everyone on the trail and think that we can all have our fun the way we want to. I think everyone who has doubts about that should just try an e-bike so they can see that it's really a non-issue.

You must not be trying very hard. Or you're lying.



Dude did a climb on his regular trail bike in 4 minutes 4 seconds. Cross country rider on race bike did it in 3 minutes and 16 seconds and ebike in 2 minutes and 16 seconds.

It's a big difference in speed.

According to the video, dude didn't have too much trouble keeping the bike maxed out on power assist speed on the climb.

[californiagrown]

You must not be trying very hard. Or you're lying.



Dude did a climb on his regular trail bike in 4 minutes 4 seconds. Cross country rider on race bike did it in 3 minutes and 16 seconds and ebike in 2 minutes and 16 seconds.

It's a big difference in speed.

Big difference in time, not speed. Big difference in the meaning and implication of the two words. Small difference in the real world on a climb. Don't be jealous, just enjoy what you do.

[mtngirl79]

It's not jealousy, asshole. Dude said he kept the bike maxed out on power assist on the climb.

That's 20 miles per hour and that is too fast for hikers and horses walking 2 or 3 miles per hour. That's like walking on a road.

He said it wasn't really hard to keep the ebike maxed out on speed. He said at one point he pushed the other rider up the hill and it only made his arm tired.

[rideit]

Big difference in time, not speed. .

Physics is, like...hard, man

[mtngirl79]

This is how I picture the whiney fucks on here bitching about total strangers not wearing a helmet.


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Then you pay their medical bills.

[californiagrown]

It's not jealousy, asshole. Dude said he kept the bike maxed out on power assist on the climb.

That's 20 miles per hour and that is too fast for hikers and horses walking 2 or 3 miles per hour. That's like walking on a road.

He said it wasn't really hard to keep the ebike maxed out on speed. He said at one point he pushed the other rider up the hill and it only made his arm tired.

now, now. dont get your panties in a bunch when someone calls you out for not knowing the difference between time and speed.

What was the average SPEED difference between all three rides?

Also, why do you assume that the bikers wouldnt slow down to pass folks? Do you slow down to pass folks? Do you ever pass folks?

[jono]

now, now. dont get your panties in a bunch when someone calls you out for not knowing the difference between time and speed.

What was the average SPEED difference between all three rides?

Lolz..maybe take the suspense out of it and answer that one yourself. Go ahead and assume an arbitrary distance if that makes it easier. Percentages will be the same, so....

Repeat that on a steeper climb where it's harder to keep that particular bike at 20 mph and another e-bike with more power (and still a class 1/still cuts at 20) would make it easier. In which case the difference increases further. This is why non-mechanized is a meaningful distinction: if you have to provide all the power yourself there is fundamentally a limit on what you can do. Gears can make it easier to go slow (or fast) but they can't make power. Class 1 e-bikes have no limit on the power they can deliver through the assist (by the most common definition).

All this should be moot, though in most cases outside of wilderness. If e-bikers bring political support and get more trails opened and more wildernuts stopped then good on them. MTB have more in common with e-bikes than with snowmobiles and pushing e-bikes to ally with motorized users would be copying the mistakes of the hikers. If some trails need speed limits or user limits then those things should be implemented. Lotteries, one-way travel and speed limits are all more fair than elitism, they just aren't as convenient for incumbent users.

[Bunion 2020]

now, now. dont get your panties in a bunch when someone calls you out for not knowing the difference between time and speed.

What was the average SPEED difference between all three rides?

Also, why do you assume that the bikers wouldnt slow down to pass folks? Do you slow down to pass folks? Do you ever pass folks?

^^^ Still working hard on being perceived as an asshole I see.

You Are Winning.

[gravitylover]

You must not be trying very hard. Or you're lying.



Dude did a climb on his regular trail bike in 4 minutes 4 seconds. Cross country rider on race bike did it in 3 minutes and 16 seconds and ebike in 2 minutes and 16 seconds.

It's a big difference in speed.

According to the video, dude didn't have too much trouble keeping the bike maxed out on power assist speed on the climb.

So because he doesn't "max out" all the time he's lying? WTF is your problem... Just like those really fast xc racer types that fly up everything some e-bike riders will too but most won't. Just because they can doesn't mean they will. That is apparently just too hard for most people to accept. I'm a slug going uphill but have been forced off the bike by walkers who refused to let me go past them until they were ready. Not too long ago this left me walking my normal old pedal bike bike for over 1/4 mile. All because walkers have the ROW over riders, sorry it's all bullshit. Share the fkn trail and get the F over yourself.

[bagtagley]

Were they e-walkers?

[gravitylover]

RE: Advocating for e-mtb use on trails - Yeah I tried that and was asked to leave the meeting because my thoughts were never going to align with those of the County Parks Dept. I tried to speak reasonably and explain the similarities and differences and was told in no uncertain terms that it was never going to happen so I should just leave and not come back. When I tried to say that it wasn't fair that an entire user group was being excluded the response was "Yes that is exactly what's happening. Now, are you going to leave on your own or are we going to have you escorted out?"

I've been involved in bike advocacy for over 30 years. I know how the game is played. When you can't advocate you give up and break the rules. Some people may not but I and many others will.

The bike company that I rep has several e-mtb's coming out for 2019 and one of the top mtb advocates in the state and local IMBA chapter presidents asked me a few days ago to refrain from selling any into his area. BULLSHIT

[gravitylover]

Were they e-walkers?

Headphones in? Nope just rude.

[Sirshredalot]

RE: Advocating for e-mtb use on trails - Yeah I tried that and was asked to leave the meeting because my thoughts were never going to align with those of the County Parks Dept. I tried to speak reasonably and explain the similarities and differences and was told in no uncertain terms that it was never going to happen so I should just leave and not come back. When I tried to say that it wasn't fair that an entire user group was being excluded the response was "Yes that is exactly what's happening. Now, are you going to leave on your own or are we going to have you escorted out?"

I've been involved in bike advocacy for over 30 years. I know how the game is played. When you can't advocate you give up and break the rules. Some people may not but I and many others will.

The bike company that I rep has several e-mtb's coming out for 2019 and one of the top mtb advocates in the state and local IMBA chapter presidents asked me a few days ago to refrain from selling any into his area. BULLSHIT

I don't know how anyone got the impression that the push for these things to get access to non-motorized MTB trails was coming from manufacturers looking for a buck, and over the objections of the MTB user groups who had advocated for and built the trails.

[californiagrown]

Lolz..maybe take the suspense out of it and answer that one yourself. Go ahead and assume an arbitrary distance if that makes it easier. Percentages will be the same, so....

Percentages will be misleading. 100% faster than 3MPH is a lot different than 100% faster than 12MPH. So using an arbitrary distance will be misleading.

Regardless, this is assuming that the faster person will passing the slower person at full speed and power instead of slowing to pass like a normal human person does.

[californiagrown]

^^^ Still working hard on being perceived as an asshole I see.

You Are Winning.

hard work is easy work.

[wooley12]

I think the solution would be to make a "No Helmets Allowed" law on all trails used by hikers so you would all slow the fuck down. And stay off my lawn too!!!

[mtngirl79]

I don't know how anyone got the impression that the push for these things to get access to non-motorized MTB trails was coming from manufacturers looking for a buck, and over the objections of the MTB user groups who had advocated for and built the trails.

As long as they ignore the motor or try to say it's not a motor ever though it is a motor or play other gaslighting games about it I will be 100% against ebikes on all non motirized single track.

The Washington state law is how it should go... illegal unless specifically allowed. There are places I think they could be allowed, but being considered mountain bikes and allowed where ever they are is way out of line.

[JerseyDave]

If you spend 7 grand on a pretend2pedal bike and you don't just buy a moto you're a fucking idiot. Carry on.

[XXX-er]

so what are you when you spend 7K on a pedal bike with no motor ?

I guess you can still ride it on non-motorized trails ?

but if you buy a motor bike expecting to ride it on the non-motorized trails ?

[grinch]

Haaaaaa