ON3P SKIS Discussion

[MHSP1497]

I think a custom BG with the softer 19oz(?) fiberglass would be a fun ski.

coming from “Mr. Stiffer-is-better,” I have to ask: why? Would you go standard, extra or Aever carbon?

Oh, and the website is in lockdown prior to the 2019 drop.

[homeeey]

I think my 2017 189s (pre-asym) are more versatile than the older versions though. They handle variable snow conditions a little better. I haven't skied the 2018 or 2019 asym 189.

I think a custom BG with the softer 19oz(?) fiberglass would be a fun ski.

I put my 189 2018's on top of my 189 2012's at the line. They actually match up very closely, seems the 2018's have earlier and more tip rocker, slightly more camber and stiffer. I'm not very techie when it comes to skis and understanding all the technical. I'll say have not noticed the tips of my 189's ever. With the 2012's, although not really a problem, I had to be somewhat mindful of tips on firmer surfaces. They both seem equally pivotable/slashy thru trees and the such in soft snow. I agree with they handle variable conditions better, and I will have less of a decision on which ski for lesser snow days.

Since 2012 I had the Billy Goats with 186 Viciks as my more daily driver. I've really stirred the pot now because I'm not sure what to do. I get a little emotional about all this. 6 years of the BG/Vicik combo, some really good years. Not sure it can be beat. But who knows, the Wren's are looking pretty sweet.

[Banh Mi]

coming from “Mr. Stiffer-is-better,” I have to ask: why? Would you go standard, extra or Aever carbon?

Oh, and the website is in lockdown prior to the 2019 drop.

Stiffer isn't always better. For a jibby ski, it's not better. For a charging ski, 1.5x or Aever makes more sense, especially for people over 200lbs. Standard flex can still charge pretty damn hard for 200lb individuals. I am just saying that the 19oz fiberglass might be a sweet option, that I might try now that I've tried standard and stiffer goats. I like both stiff skis, and soft skis, each have their purpose in my quiver.

I put my 189 2018's on top of my 189 2012's at the line. They actually match up very closely, seems the 2018's have earlier and more tip rocker, slightly more camber and stiffer. I'm not very techie when it comes to skis and understanding all the technical. I'll say have not noticed the tips of my 189's ever. With the 2012's, although not really a problem, I had to be somewhat mindful of tips on firmer surfaces. They both seem equally pivotable/slashy thru trees and the such in soft snow. I agree with they handle variable conditions better, and I will have less of a decision on which ski for lesser snow days.

Since 2012 I had the Billy Goats with 186 Viciks as my more daily driver. I've really stirred the pot now because I'm not sure what to do. I get a little emotional about all this. 6 years of the BG/Vicik combo, some really good years. Not sure it can be beat. But who knows, the Wren's are looking pretty sweet.

BG's and Viciks are a great 2 ski quiver. One of the best IMO. The tychoons were fun skis too. 189 W108s are burlier than 186 viciks, but I would suspect the 184 Wrens to be more like the Vicik. W98s are on sale right now, and might be another option.

[margotron]

Ugh. I want some BGs.

[NW_SKIER]

Vicik/BG is my current most used combo. So dialed.

[MHSP1497]

Ugh. I want some BGs.

Yes, yes you do. They’re amazing skis. We quibble over small details here, but seriously, in stock form they’re amazing.

[mfa81]

2019 coming soon according to their website, seems like store is open for dealers or whatever now, needs a password!

[PowTron]

Tells us about the wren 114 you were skiing today!

They are fast. Very fast.

[Banh Mi]

Anyone touring on standard layup Wren 98s?

[blackalps]

two questions:

1. how does the flex on current BG's compare to a Nordica Enforcer 110?
2. is there any real difference between the 16/17 Wren 98's and the 17/18's?

Thanks

[prsboogie]

two questions:

1. how does the flex on current BG's compare to a Nordica Enforcer 110?
2. is there any real difference between the 16/17 Wren 98's and the 17/18's?

Thanks

Don't know about differences in the two Wrens but the 98 is tits! Been on them for three full corn harvests and they deliver. They are stable and release easily at the same time. Can't wait for next season and fresh snow laps.

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[MHSP1497]

two questions:
2. is there any real difference between the 16/17 Wren 98's and the 17/18's?

Thanks

No. 16/17 and 17/18 are the same except for graphics. Changes come w/ the new line for 18/19.

[RudyGarmisch]

They are fast. Very fast.

Ski Crush Repeat

[RudyGarmisch]

Anyone touring on standard layup Wren 98s?

Touring on 108’s...

[easternskr]

Got to Demo the 98 Wrens and Kartels this weekend at Smuggler's Notch, had a blast on both. Shane working the Demo booth was awesome, had answers to my many questions and chill guy to boot.

Also glad I got a used 17-18 108 Wren in 185 waiting for the next day there's some pow about (probably next season) or I'm out west to try... Thanks N1CK.

No surprise to me, but I really fell in love with the 98 Kartel and think I'm gonna pick up the 18-19 version this off season. A question about it: I rode the 181 and felt good on it, think its the right size for most of the skiing I do (EC trees and the "moving glades" of crazy packed trails on many of the VT resort weekends). That said, at 5'9" and 190 lbs I am usually riding something a bit bigger and worried about top end stability.

SO my question is, would adding extra carbon make sense? I don't want to mess up a ski that seems pretty perfectly balanced as is, but curious if others have had good experiences with that. AND I'm seriously considering getting the wood veneer topsheet because it is so feckin beautiful, does this change the flex profile/stability at all? I'll probably stick with the stock build but just wanting to get a sense of all my options (cause its half the fun of buying new gear after all)

Thanks yall. Super excited to be joining the on3p family.

I'm 5'9" and 155. I have 179 Wren 108s and when I was at Big Sky this winter those skis seemed custom made for that place. However, when back home at Stowe, and skiing tighter trails, especially in the woods, the Wrens wanted to run faster then I was comfortable with. I am most likely going to pick up a pair of 18/19 Kartel 96 for next season with the idea that the slightly narrower waist and tighter side cut and softer flex should make for a great east coast all around ski, especially in the trees. Seeing you got to try both the Wren 98 and the Kartel 98 at Smuggs, would you agree that the Kartel is simply quicker and easier for tighter East Coast conditions? Thanks

[greasyslope]

Anyone touring on standard layup Wren 98s?

I’ve done some shorter tours on them. What would you like to know?

[blackalps]

No. 16/17 and 17/18 are the same except for graphics. Changes come w/ the new line for 18/19.

cool thanks. what are the changes?

[N1CK.]

cool thanks. what are the changes?

tighter radius and slightly stiffer
http://blistergearreview.com/feature...9-lineup-ep-12

[Gman]

I'm 5'9" and 155. I have 179 Wren 108s and when I was at Big Sky this winter those skis seemed custom made for that place. However, when back home at Stowe, and skiing tighter trails, especially in the woods, the Wrens wanted to run faster then I was comfortable with. I am most likely going to pick up a pair of 18/19 Kartel 96 for next season with the idea that the slightly narrower waist and tighter side cut and softer flex should make for a great east coast all around ski, especially in the trees. Seeing you got to try both the Wren 98 and the Kartel 98 at Smuggs, would you agree that the Kartel is simply quicker and easier for tighter East Coast conditions? Thanks

I'm 5'11 165lbs without any gear on. I have wren 88(179), wren 98 tours(179) and veneer kartel 98' in 181. I wouldn't say that the kartel is quicker and it's the tail shape/rocker design that allows them to release easier. The kartel 98 allows you to have a more rear leaning stance while the wren likes to be skied with more forward pressure on the shins.

[easternskr]

I'm 5'11 165lbs without any gear on. I have wren 88(179), wren 98 tours(179) and veneer kartel 98' in 181. I wouldn't say that the kartel is quicker and it's the tail shape/rocker design that allows them to release easier. The kartel 98 allows you to have a more rear leaning stance while the wren likes to be skied with more forward pressure on the shins.

That makes sense. Thanks

[easternskr]

By the way, I would like to add a few comments on the Wren 108 though I think it's been covered pretty well. I'm 5'9" and 155 and past the 60 mark. I live in New England and mostly ski in Northern Vermont at Stowe. I go out west each year at least once, usually looking for good snow and bigger terrain. I have fun skiing just about any kind of condition whether it's groomed trails (known here as frozen granular), packed powder, crud, fresh powder, whatever. I'm not the best skier out there but I know how to roll my skis over and feel them bite and pop me out of a turn as well as making fairly quick smearing turns in the woods. I picked up the Wren 108 in 179 last year. I only have about a dozen days on them. I usually find myself driving them but you can also relax a little on them too if the conditions are good and you have room to let them run. As long as the snow is even somewhat soft and the skis can dig into it, they are pretty easy to turn and are also easy to break out of a turn, though they do prefer bigger turns over tighter turns. Skiing them out west, where I was often skiing steep terrain with lots of room to let these run, these skis were simply a blast. The tips easily get up and out of the snow, especially when it's chopped up or even wind loaded heavy stuff, and letting them go, having confidence in them and yourself made for an easy but exciting ride down the mountain. The more I skied them the more relaxed I got and the more confident I got. If I lived out west these could easily be my only pair of skis. Here in the east, where we often have hard frozen surfaces and the need to make tighter turns they can sometimes be a little more work, at least for me, then something like my 173 Bonnefide. Still, even here I like skiing them on a powder day, as long as I'm on the trails and they perform especially well once things cut all cut up.

[Doremite]

By the way, I would like to add a few comments on the Wren 108 though I think it's been covered pretty well. I'm 5'9" and 155 and past the 60 mark. I live in New England and mostly ski in Northern Vermont at Stowe. I go out west each year at least once, usually looking for good snow and bigger terrain. I have fun skiing just about any kind of condition whether it's groomed trails (known here as frozen granular), packed powder, crud, fresh powder, whatever. I'm not the best skier out there but I know how to roll my skis over and feel them bite and pop me out of a turn as well as making fairly quick smearing turns in the woods. I picked up the Wren 108 in 179 last year. I only have about a dozen days on them. I usually find myself driving them but you can also relax a little on them too if the conditions are good and you have room to let them run. As long as the snow is even somewhat soft and the skis can dig into it, they are pretty easy to turn and are also easy to break out of a turn, though they do prefer bigger turns over tighter turns. Skiing them out west, where I was often skiing steep terrain with lots of room to let these run, these skis were simply a blast. The tips easily get up and out of the snow, especially when it's chopped up or even wind loaded heavy stuff, and letting them go, having confidence in them and yourself made for an easy but exciting ride down the mountain. The more I skied them the more relaxed I got and the more confident I got. If I lived out west these could easily be my only pair of skis. Here in the east, where we often have hard frozen surfaces and the need to make tighter turns they can sometimes be a little more work, at least for me, then something like my 173 Bonnefide. Still, even here I like skiing them on a powder day, as long as I'm on the trails and they perform especially well once things cut all cut up.

PM me if you decide to sell your 108s!
I ski Burke & Jay and occasionally in the Burlington area.

[TahoeJ]

Anyone touring on standard layup Wren 98s?

Me. They’re good, not too heavy but want something a little lighter still for my skinny BC setup. Decided to keep mine for now, just not sure want to remount them with.

[easternskr]

No not for sale. They are a little too much for me in tight spots but I like them too much to part with them.

[gepmeow]

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