Police Behaving Badly

[digitaldeath]

How is this different from existing civil asset forfeiture laws (which are fuuuucked up)?

says they have a card scanner that the manufacturer get 7% off all ripped monies - they take your wallet and scan your cards draining all cash associated with those cards

[neufox47]

I'm not saying don't question what they are doing or ask why they want you out of the car, I'm just saying once they start to get physical, you don't resist. Object to what they are doing but still comply. I would have questioned the request to get out of the car too, but once the cop opens the door and tries to pull me out, I'm getting out and putting my hands up.

Once the cop opened the door and put his hands on him, he only had two options, resist or comply. That's not a strawman, that's the decision that kid faced. If the cop had opened the door on you, you would have faced the same decision. At that point, I think one is almost always better off to comply.

NF, if you want to play the hypothetical game, what about the black boy or man who obeys a cop's orders to stop, and then gets beaten up or lynched, but if he would have run away he might have avoided injury and lived. That hypothetical has presented itself in real time many times in America.

By then it's too late. The cop is already out of control and in rage mode. I never suggested anything about resisting. That's your strawman.

When a young person asks me advice re dealing with a cop, I tell them what my cop buds tell me: #1 rule is to never disrespect a cop because disrespected cops are more likely to go apeshit. #2 rule is that it's fine to respectfully ask the cop about probable cause (if they haven't already told you why they stopped you, which is standard procedure for many cops) because on the whole a cop is less likely to go bad on people who appear to know their rights.

Not sure why you are dismissing my point re respectfully exercising the right, except in exigent circumstances, to question an LEO's probable cause re why they were stopped or why they are being ordered to get out of a car, so long as that is done respectfully. IMO, if more people asked about probable cause there would be less police abuse.

[old goat]

I can do better than "next time." Here's what happened the last time I was ordered out of a car by a cop.

15 or so years ago I was sitting in the front passenger seat in a bud's car as he drove home from night skiing. A WSP trooper pulled him over for speeding, though not more than 5 or 6 mph over the speed limit. (Pretty sure the cop was looking for drunk drivers and used speeding as probable cause for the stop.)

After my bud gave the copy his DL and registration, the copy turned his attention towards me. I was drunk, but not breaking any law cuz I was merely a passenger. The cop asked me to get out of the car. I politely declined. The cop then ordered me to get out of the car. I then respectfully asked the cop "Why, officer?" and he said "Just get out of the car." Then, while looking at his name badge, I respectfully asked him, "Do you have probable cause that I had committed a crime, am committing a crime or am about to commit a crime." He looked puzzled, then asked, "Are you a lawyer," to which I responded "yes." He said "never mind" and let us proceed.

This happened for real, not on the internet.

You bring up a good point. While cops are not afraid of the average guy on the street, they are afraid of people they perceive to be in positions of power, like lawyers. Cops are pretty powerless within their departments--some of the hostility they display towards the public is their way of dealing with the shit they get from the cop bosses who in turn get shit from city officials when they abuse someone with some juice.
So if you happen to be a lawyer or can do a convincing imitation of one, or if you are otherwise politically powerful (telling them your a dentist probably won't cut it) then when the cop orders you out, go ahead and refuse and you will get away with it, assuming you're lucky enough to be pulled over by a cop that gives a shit, in a place that gives a shit. The rest of you--just be smart.

[old goat]

17 years ago I was driving a new Camaro from SW to NE Virginia. While driving close to the speed limit a Mustang GT pulls up aside me, shuffles ahead, then behind, then ahead again. I did what any 18yo with a heavy foot would do - downshift and not look back until the dash said 110mph. At that time I noticed the blue & red lights in the rear view, hidden behind the Mustang's grill. I pull over, cop walks up and asks "what were you doing?" I told him "just slowing down, officer." He writes a ticket for 100 in a 55, method of speed capture was pacing.

That led to threats from the parents to take the car and not let me drive to Utah the next month for sophomore year (my transfer year to the UofU). After talking with a local attorney we learned that not only did the cop bait me, he had a reputation for creative law enforcement. The prosecutor was quick to offer a reduction to 74/55 (not reckless) and I jumped on it as the judge cocked his head wondering why I was walking out of the courtroom with a DL.

On the drive to Utah the next month I was pulled over and ticketed by Vernal popo for going 7mph over the limit in the middle of the fucking desert. I had to calm down my dad as the cop approached. He wanted to beat the shit out of that fat-assed revenue consultant.

I got a ticket for speeding in a school zone in Gold River OR. On a Saturday. I was able to get that one reduced to a simple speeding (which I still didn't deserve).

I've been baited into speeding as well. I was driving on Old 40 between Soda Springs and Kingvale in a blizzard. Cop had pulled someone over and just as I started to pass them the cop started to pull out. I honked to keep from hitting him. He pulled in behind me and rode my bumper for a while. I sped up figuring he wanted me too (there was nowhere to pull over--just snow.) He then turned on his lights and pulled me over. Asked if I knew the speed limit. I said 35. He said no it's 25. It is 35 but the signs were buried in snow. He turned out to be a game warden. He just kept me there for a while and let me go. He was probably just pissed people were using Old 40--his street--to bypass the interstate.
I was also pulled over by a couple of plainclothes cops in an unmarked car after I gave them the finger for doing 15 MPH while the driver was on his cell phone. No ticket, just harrassment. (But I really do need to stop giving people the finger.)
When I was a kid my dad, who was a doctor, was driving the family through a small, mostly black suburb of Detroit and was pulled over for no reason by a black cop. My dad was pissed.
Most people, cops or not, will abuse power when they are given it. However, when that power comes with the legal right to use deadly force, things get really dangerous.

DD--that example of confiscating assets goes on in a lot of states. Oklahoma has just applied modern technology to do it faster and more efficiently--like Uber. But saying "FUCK YOU" to the cop probably won't change their mind.

[XXX-er]

I'm really nice to cops, like pretend we are just doing business, so the last time I got pulled over I gave buddy the 1/8th of a joint he was looking for and suggested if he thot he had pulled over someone transporting a bunch of weed he was mistaken

they did a half hearted search and then buddy asks where I had smoked the joint 2.5hrs ago when I left PG so you are ok to drive right?

Uh why yes thats correct officer, so we shook hands and I was on my way

[FLS]

Always comply. No matter what. Like when mom used to get it for talking back to pop. Who the fuck did she think she was, talking back to the man. Served her right.

It's not true, but that is what you sound like.

[XXX-er]

I'm really sorry your dad beat your mom, it sounds like it has really affected you?

[east or bust]

^hey he posts good pics in the nsfw thread so he must be alright, right?

I've been pulled over a bunch, all but 2 have went over smoothly, 1 I completely deserved the other I did not.

I was 17 down at the jersey shore (lbi) and I drove my friend and I down to the more happening southern part of the island. we had brought a handle of booze and a couple beers that we planned to drink down there, sober up, then drive back up north later. the place ended up being a ghost town so we said fuck it and began driving back, nothing consumed on my part, friend drank some. I saw one of my off roading buddies in a 7/11 and made an unbeknownst to me left hand turn that was illegal. I get pulled over in the parking lot and of course the guy walks up and shines the light in the back right on all the shit my buddy was supposed to hide. long story short he let me off with a careless driving ticket. he could have seriously fucked me over, under age, open container, illegal left, and wasn't supposed to be driving after 11 with my provisional.

second time was in VT some douche pulled me over claiming I was going 5 over the limit when he was driving the opposite direction. I immediately called him out on his bullshit and he gave me a "warning ticket"

[Bromontana]

I was 17 down at the jersey shore (lbi) and I drove my friend and I down to the more happening southern part of the island

messing around

[TomCrac]

Apparently police are immune to distracted driving. Colorado cop defines road rage lolz...




Distracted California patrol officer kills teenager in crash (Cop was using his laptop while driving)
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/D...ls-7971283.php

NYPD: Teacher Killed by Cop in Crosswalk “Assumed Risk” by Crossing Street (cop was driving while on her cell phone)
http://www.streetsblog.org/2016/03/2...ossing-street/

Police Officer Will Not Be Charged For Killing Napster Exec While Texting And Driving — Because It's Apparently OK For Police To Do That (Typing while driving)
http://www.businessinsider.com/polic...ecutive-2014-8

[Tippster]

messing around

Most of the towns on the Jersey Shore are on barrier islands.

[TomCrac]

[Flyoverland Captive]

[old goat]

now there's an idea

[WTF is dat]

I was at water world last weekend (awesome Colorado water park) and managed to smuggle in a bottle of Gatorade filled mostly with vodka.

I guess security knew I was drinking because when I got out of the wave pool a shit load of security guards surrounded me and demanded I take a breathalyzer. I told them that they were not the police, and therefore had no right to make me take a breathalyzer. I then told them that they were free to escort me off the property. Asshole security guards escort me off the property while talking shit to me. I tell them to go fuck themselves.


Security guards follow me off the property and onto the street. They still wanted me to take a breathalyzer for some bullshit reason, apparently to "make sure I wasn't driving". I told them I was calling an uber and that they could go fuck themselves. This pissed off the security guards, and they call the police on me. In an unbelievably patronizing tone, the security guard tells me that "this would have been much easier had you just complied with us."

Anyhow, security leaves me alone and I start walking down the street, about to call an uber when the cops show up. I told the cops that I had been kicked out of waterworld, but hadn't done anything wrong. Cops demand to see my ID and I comply, even though they really had no reason to be bothering me.

All of a sudden a bunch more cop cars pull up and the cops start asking me all sorts of stupid bullshit questions. At this point I could see the direction things were headed, so I calmly ask the cops what I had done wrong, and why they were detaining me. Cops just gave me back my ID and told me to have a nice day.



But seriously, fuck water world and their asshole security. I'm never gonna go back to that place, despite how awesome it is.


But really I probably will go back in a couple weeks, because that place is awesome. I fully intend to smuggle in another Gatorade vodka too.

[Tippster]

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I was at water world last weekend (awesome Colorado water park) and managed to smuggle in a bottle of Gatorade filled mostly with vodka.

I guess security knew I was drinking because when I got out of the wave pool a shit load of security guards surrounded me and demanded I take a breathalyzer. I told them that they were not the police, and therefore had no right to make me take a breathalyzer. I then told them that they were free to escort me off the property. Asshole security guards escort me off the property while talking shit to me. I tell them to go fuck themselves.


Security guards follow me off the property and onto the street. They still wanted me to take a breathalyzer for some bullshit reason, apparently to "make sure I wasn't driving". I told them I was calling an uber and that they could go fuck themselves. This pissed off the security guards, and they call the police on me. In an unbelievably patronizing tone, the security guard tells me that "this would have been much easier had you just complied with us."

Anyhow, security leaves me alone and I start walking down the street, about to call an uber when the cops show up. I told the cops that I had been kicked out of waterworld, but hadn't done anything wrong. Cops demand to see my ID and I comply, even though they really had no reason to be bothering me.

All of a sudden a bunch more cop cars pull up and the cops start asking me all sorts of stupid bullshit questions. At this point I could see the direction things were headed, so I calmly ask the cops what I had done wrong, and why they were detaining me. Cops just gave me back my ID and told me to have a nice day.



But seriously, fuck water world and their asshole security. I'm never gonna go back to that place, despite how awesome it is.


But really I probably will go back in a couple weeks, because that place is awesome. I fully intend to smuggle in another Gatorade vodka too.

Why the fuck would you need a quart of vodka at a water park?

[Dantheman]

Apparently police are immune to distracted driving. Colorado cop defines road rage lolz...




Distracted California patrol officer kills teenager in crash (Cop was using his laptop while driving)
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/D...ls-7971283.php

NYPD: Teacher Killed by Cop in Crosswalk “Assumed Risk” by Crossing Street (cop was driving while on her cell phone)
http://www.streetsblog.org/2016/03/2...ossing-street/

Police Officer Will Not Be Charged For Killing Napster Exec While Texting And Driving — Because It's Apparently OK For Police To Do That (Typing while driving)
http://www.businessinsider.com/polic...ecutive-2014-8

Jesus fucking christ.

[old goat]

I was at water world last weekend (awesome Colorado water park) and managed to smuggle in a bottle of Gatorade filled mostly with vodka.

I guess security knew I was drinking because when I got out of the wave pool a shit load of security guards surrounded me and demanded I take a breathalyzer. I told them that they were not the police, and therefore had no right to make me take a breathalyzer. I then told them that they were free to escort me off the property. Asshole security guards escort me off the property while talking shit to me. I tell them to go fuck themselves.


Security guards follow me off the property and onto the street. They still wanted me to take a breathalyzer for some bullshit reason, apparently to "make sure I wasn't driving". I told them I was calling an uber and that they could go fuck themselves. This pissed off the security guards, and they call the police on me. In an unbelievably patronizing tone, the security guard tells me that "this would have been much easier had you just complied with us."

Anyhow, security leaves me alone and I start walking down the street, about to call an uber when the cops show up. I told the cops that I had been kicked out of waterworld, but hadn't done anything wrong. Cops demand to see my ID and I comply, even though they really had no reason to be bothering me.

All of a sudden a bunch more cop cars pull up and the cops start asking me all sorts of stupid bullshit questions. At this point I could see the direction things were headed, so I calmly ask the cops what I had done wrong, and why they were detaining me. Cops just gave me back my ID and told me to have a nice day.



But seriously, fuck water world and their asshole security. I'm never gonna go back to that place, despite how awesome it is.


But really I probably will go back in a couple weeks, because that place is awesome. I fully intend to smuggle in another Gatorade vodka too.

You should probably let us know when you're planning to go so we all can stay away that day.

[Elkhound Odin]

You should probably let us know when you're planning to go so we all can stay away that day.

Stay away? No! We need to go and record WTF get a rent-a-cop beat down when he acts like a surly drunk prick

[WTF is dat]

Why the fuck would you need a quart of vodka at a water park?

Hahahaha no it was mixed mostly with Gatorade because you are allowed to bring in waters and Gatorade.


And no I wasn't being surly or even argumentative with anyone at water world until security started talking shit to me

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Hahahaha no it was mixed mostly with Gatorade because you are allowed to bring in waters and Gatorade.


And no I wasn't being surly or even argumentative with anyone at water world until security started talking shit to me

You said it was filled mostly with vodka.

[wolfelot]

Zing!!!!

[old goat]

Hahahaha no it was mixed mostly with Gatorade because you are allowed to bring in waters and Gatorade.


And no I wasn't being surly or even argumentative with anyone at water world until security started talking shit to me

so how did they know you had alcohol--ESP? I think you need to get yourself to a meeting.

[WTF is dat]

Stfu like none of you have ever gotten drunk at the pool on a summer day