Police Behaving Badly

[east or bust]

Been following this thread and have been pondering (as a eurogeezer), what kind of training/school does one have to have to be qualified as a "police officer" in the states?
There are apparently a lot of different entities, the federal authorities being one and the state/county/municipal authorities as well?Like, does the local small town sheriff go through the same training (and his/her deputies) as some NYPD brethen of federal Marshals?

Caused some mild fizz in my brain as some US guy told that he had acted as an deputy for few months in a small town after a 2 week course.. Initially I thought he was some kind of a mall cop armed with a dildo and a doughnut, but apparently he was wielding blue steel.
Feels a bit weird as around here (scandi) the police have very standardized 3 or 3+1 year higher education (college) to be an officer.
Not taking a piss on the US system, but have there been any kind of discussion of...well..unfucking the situation?
Or is there some Government -> State -> County fuckshit going on that prohibits any kind of improvement?

Genuinely curious.

One of my high school hockey coaches was a special ed teacher at the school, about 3-4 years after I graduated he switched paths to become a police officer in NYC. I believe he was on the streets within a couple of months. The truth is I think if he were in a difficult situation, he could very well fuck up. I think a more rigorous course would go a long way in diminishing interactions where knee jerk reactions lead to situations that make the news.

[Bobby Stainless]

Depends on department. A place I used to live, you had to have a four year bachelors degree. While the downtown area was a GED, and they started in the mid 30s for pay.

What the fuck kind of talent are you going to get for 35-45k a year? You can make more bar tending or waiting tables.

The police forces need to be shrunk by a large amount. Officers should have a four year degree and a law degree IMO, and paid accordingly. Mid 100s and so on.

[digitaldeath]

this is the result of private property being the foundation of a nation state

[digitaldeath]

‘Smiled at everybody’

At J.J. Hill Montessori Magnet School, where Castile and co-worker Vanessa Smith served meals to more than 500 kids twice a day, he was remembered for his patience and friendly demeanor.

“He smiled at everybody who came in the building,” said Joan Edman, a paraprofessional at J.J. Hill for the past seven years. “I remember him saying, ‘I just want everybody here to be happy.’ He wanted the cafeteria to be a happy place. It was a huge goal, and not an easy one, and he did it.”

He was a cafeteria supervisor there and had worked at St. Paul Public Schools since 2002.

[digitaldeath]

Depends on department. A place I used to live, you had to have a four year bachelors degree. While the downtown area was a GED, and they started in the mid 30s for pay.

What the fuck kind of talent are you going to get for 35-45k a year? You can make more bar tending or waiting tables.

The police forces need to be shrunk by a large amount. Officers should have a four year degree and a law degree IMO, and paid accordingly. Mid 100s and so on.

cops make way more than 35-45k

lieutenants pull 120k in mpls

[digitaldeath]

$54,504 to $69,565 beginning Annual Salary – Plus Full Benefit Package

All new Police Officers will be hired at the beginning salary, depending on previous law enforcement experience.

[Bobby Stainless]

Denver starts their officers in the low 40s.

So you got some guy, with a few months of training and a glock, that is getting paid mid 40s for at least 2-3 years.

In the aftermath of the police shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, last August, police officers from throughout St. Louis County were dispatched there to respond to mounting protests. Though the officers were doing the same jobs, they were paid starkly different wages, some as low as $10.50 an hour.
Data obtained by NBC News from 24 municipal police departments in St. Louis County reveal a gulf between police officer pay in poor, majority African-American northern cities and wealthier, whiter cities further south. Average annual patrol officer pay ranges from $23,000 in Hillsdale to nearly $70,000 in Town and County and Des Peres.
The police pay gap in St. Louis County is mirrored in metropolitan areas and rural communities around the United States, with some officers earning a comfortable middle-class living and others scraping by on poverty and near poverty wages, forced to take second and third jobs to cover basic costs.

10.50 an hour bro.

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/in-pl...-wages-n232701

[jamesp]

cops make way more than 35-45k

lieutenants pull 120k in mpls

po po in Mpls get the big bucks because they have to keep DD's & his goons under control

[1080Rider]

The training is different for every jurisdiction. WA has a state patrol academy, 26 weeks, I think our local police academy is 18 weeks. After that, they ride around w/ a training officer before they are fully commissioned. I think you need an AA to start but need to complete your BA at some point to move further up the ranks... I think every city/county is different. There isn't a standardized training that I know of. But I don't know tons about it.

I think "most" of you training comes from the job. If you have a shitty training officer that shows you how to fuck w/ the brownskins, chances are, you're going to be a shitty cop.

[Bobby Stainless]

cops make way more than 35-45k

lieutenants pull 120k in mpls

You should sign up. Just think of the opportunities.

[Bromontana]

Feels a bit weird as around here (scandi) the police have very standardized 3 or 3+1 year higher education (college) to be an officer.
Not taking a piss on the US system, but have there been any kind of discussion of...well..unfucking the situation?
Or is there some Government -> State -> County fuckshit going on that prohibits any kind of improvement?

Genuinely curious.

The Department of Justice is currently working with local PDs to address the problems, but it's a slow process and woefully inadequate given the scale (it will take decades to complete). They are binding though, so DOJ can shut down departments that do not fall in line. Ferguson for example, tried to ignore a major contingency on their 'cleanup plan'. As a result DOJ threatened to disband the force entirely. Ferguson then relented. They're having difficulty paying for the reforms partially because their revenue is reliant on abusive policing. Quite the cluster fuck in Ferguson, Missouri.

DOJ efforts are chronicled here: https://www.justice.gov/crt/special-...atters0#police

[babybear]

police academy movies made me want to become a police officer for a short period of my adolescent yrs

[1080Rider]

Man, the more I read about the Mini shooting, the more fucked up it is. The guy sounded like a really good guy who knew what to do when contacted by police. It sounds like he did everything by the book, the officer needs to be charged and end up in jail!

[digitaldeath]

still no media outlets discussing the bootlicking epidemic

[FLS]

Don't want them too smart, they want them to follow orders. If you score to high on intelligence exams, they will pass you by.

Laughable when they say they need more training. They need more accountability. Oh, I didn't know that I shouldn't beat down people and abuse my position of authority. Hold them accountable and you will suddenly see what effective training looks like. These guys get away with straight up murder and excessive abuse everyday because there is such little accountability.

They need revenue generators to feed the machine. Police unions have entirely too much power. City's/public are held ransom if you try to do anything that wrangles them in.

The War on drugs coupled with post 9/11 fear/hero worship etc. has been running amok for 15 years now.

Getting harder to get the public to swallow the lies with video evidence.

[BmillsSkier]

police academy movies made me want to become a police officer for a short period of my adolescent yrs

Me too. The amount of senseless nudity was a strong draw.

[summit]

MSP shooting... law abiding gun owner with his g/f and little girl pulled over for taillight out... volunteers his legal CCW, does what the cop tells him, gets ventilated. Thank you for your cooperation citizen!

So is that cop really a panicked ninny who should have never had a badge? Or was that cop the type who listens to Killing in the Name and smiles because Zack de la Rocha is singing about him and he should have never had a badge?

Either way, sounds like that cop needs a long time behind bars for murder.

[Dantheman]

Don't want them too smart, they want them to follow orders. If you score to high on intelligence exams, they will pass you by.

Just in case anyone thought FLS was exaggerating: http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-b...story?id=95836

[Dhelihiker]

Fuck the police, fuck every single one of them, the good ones the bad ones all of 'em. Pussy ass mutherfuckers

[MagnificentUnicorn]

MSP shooting... law abiding gun owner with his g/f and little girl pulled over for taillight out... volunteers his legal CCW, does what the cop tells him, gets ventilated. Thank you for your cooperation citizen!

So is that cop really a panicked ninny who should have never had a badge? Or was that cop the type who listens to Killing in the Name and smiles because Zack de la Rocha is singing about him and he should have never had a badge?

Either way, sounds like that cop needs a long time behind bars for murder.

Imma go with panicked ninny and a fat one at that.

Police don't need more training, they need more accountability and the culture has to change from viewing the civilian populace as the enemy and subjects. If we change the mission back to "protect and serve" maybe we can recruit the right type of people into LEO jobs. People who would otherwise go into healthcare, firefighting, teaching etc. We need people who want to make things better and genuinely care about other people.

[Meathelmet]

Just in case anyone thought FLS was exaggerating: http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-b...story?id=95836

But the U.S. District Court found that New London had “shown a rational basis for the policy.

Jordan has worked as a prison guard since he took the test.

[abraham]

Nothing good

The disciplinary power of the cameras arguably has a greater effect on black Americans than on the police themselves. There is no solace to be found in body cams when black Americans know that the videos are far more likely to be used to broadcast more brutality than they are to stop it. These cameras make state-inflicted violence visible to the masses, but they also highlight the often-futile search for justice. There may be some value in forcing Americans—and the world—to stare our ugliest demons in the face. But it is also an exhausting, and potentially harmful, exercise.

As April Reign noted in the Washington Post, the videos have become “tantamount to snuff films.” “Sharing a video on social media or the media will not change anyone’s mind. Either it will confirm what one already believed was true, or a person will look for ways to contradict what they have just seen,” she writes. “The dehumanization of black bodies becomes some sort of perverse entertainment as images of our pain are broadcast for the world to see.”

I don't watch the clips that come out. Not because I don't think they matter but because I have absolutely no interest in watching someone die.

[digitaldeath]

Smart move

I was just thinking, why is the media pushing these snuff films on us.

This is an aimless path of violence and consumption

Fucking disgusting.

Pio I'm ready to come to Boise and help you pull the wool over the eyes of the electorate

[1080Rider]

I think April is a little bit of a drama queen... but yeah, i don't need to watch someone die to believe that they shouldn't have been killed.

[babybear]

Wow that is insane that they don't accept people that are deemed 'too smart'
Don't they also think about their potential in that maybe the smarter guys might move up in the ranks eventually to mgmt and they *might* want some smarter folks in those positions