formula 1 maggots

**rungsp** · 09-14-2009, 12:28 PM

A very good friend of mine, in a very senior role at McL:aren described Alonso as:

Pure Poison.

Mclaren hired him because he was the best driver out there, the whole team had a @don't let the door hit you in the arse on your way out@ when he left after one season.
I'm told that he alienated everyone from the top of the team to the bottom.

**rungsp** · 09-14-2009, 12:30 PM

strange keyboard on this PC! Why do I get @ when I want '' ?

**Vt-Freeheel** · 09-15-2009, 05:41 AM

This adds to the ? of who will be where next year. I am for Kimi staying with Ferrari.
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/9/9931.html

**philippeR** · 09-16-2009, 09:04 AM

OMG.

Renault has announced that team boss Flavio Briatore and engineering chief Pat Symonds have parted company with the team and that it will "not dispute" the allegations of race-fixing when it appears before the World Motor Sport Council next week.

I'm sure Briatore will have many interesting stories to tell.

**f2f** · 09-16-2009, 09:29 AM

and I'm sure piquet will never race in F1 again, and perhaps most other european racing sports.

briatore's main fault is that his team is called Renault, not Ferrari

**Vt-Freeheel** · 09-16-2009, 04:21 PM

What a shitshow this has become. Most likely the result will be no Renault
or at the least a massive fine, loss of points ect..

All this for 4th place?

**f2f** · 09-16-2009, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Vt-Freeheel

All this for 4th place?

alonso won the race with the crash in question.

**Roo** · 09-17-2009, 03:11 AM

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy than Flabio.

**Vt-Freeheel** · 09-17-2009, 04:34 AM

Originally Posted by f2f

alonso won the race with the crash in question.

Sorry,I know he won but was refering to this quote;
"So, yes, Renault’s strategy made sense. In a normal race they would score 0 points. If this strategy didn’t work they would also score 0 points. And at this point in the season, they were fighting Toyota very hard for 4th in the constructors. With both Toyotas starting ahead of them… They needed to do something"

**PNWbrit** · 09-17-2009, 09:45 AM

4th place in the constructors championship might be worth as much as tens of $millions more than 5th place.

Almost all the employees and drivers would have bonuses tied to championship placing.

Sponsorship deals and contracts with suppliers also connected to it. A contract Pirelli tires had with it's few back marker teams that I saw in the early nineties was over a hundred pages long, most of it dealing with exactly this stuff.

**willywhit** · 09-17-2009, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Vt-Freeheel

Kimi acknowledged Lewis' help in finishing 3rd, I think Kimi will finish 3rd in the championship this year as Red Bull have fallen flat.

Not sure why I enjoy watching Hammy choke on the last lap to see Brawn go 1-2, I think it's cuz I like to see Brasil win stuff.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPDreR-nQ1w"]YouTube - Rubens Barrichello Monza 2004 onboard pole lap[/ame]
ya I know the vid is 5 years old

btw, love the sig.....change for a BJ ???

**4matic** · 09-17-2009, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by f2f

and I'm sure piquet will never race in F1 again, and perhaps most other european racing sports.

briatore's main fault is that his team is called Renault, not Ferrari

I don't see Piquet getting banned. Following team orders is not his fault.

**f2f** · 09-17-2009, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by 4matic

I don't see Piquet getting banned. Following team orders is not his fault.

it's not about banning, it's about liability. the shit flavio&pat pulled is not uncommon and who would want a driver who will turn on his team at the moment he's ditched? i imagine a few new contracts being drafted now include a "don't tell on us" clause similar to the "don't defame F1" one that FIA has.

piqueño and his dad are simply too dangerous to hire without being exceptional racers to offset the risk.

look at how tight-lipped barichelo is about his ferrari years. he's let slip a couple of times that there are juicy stories to tell and that he was quite unhappy with his treatment there, but he'll save all of this for his memoirs.

**MultiVerse** · 09-21-2009, 10:56 AM

Payback is a bitch. Flavio Briatore is not only banned from F1 but banned from any involvement with any FIA-sanctioned motorsport. It might have happened anyway, but his involvement with the renegade alliance probably sealed his fate.

Two-year suspended ban for Renault over Singapore conspiracy

At the meeting of the World Motor Sport Council, Renault F1 made the following points in mitigation:

it had accepted, at the earliest practicable opportunity, that it committed the offenses with which it was charged and cooperated fully with the FIA’s investigation;
it had confirmed that Mr. Briatore and Mr. Symonds were involved in the conspiracy and ensured that they left the team;
it apologized unreservedly to the FIA and to the sport for the harm caused by its actions;
- it committed to paying the costs incurred by the FIA in its investigation; and
Renault (the parent company, as opposed to Renault F1) committed to making a significant contribution to FIA safety-related projects.

Nelson Piquet Jr. also apologized unreservedly to the World Motor Sport Council for his part in the conspiracy. And Nelson Piquet Jr. is still a whiny little bitch for being a whistleblower only after he didn't get his way... waaaah.

**PNWbrit** · 09-21-2009, 12:18 PM

Good ruling.

But shows up the absurdity of the fine McLaren got hit with.

All the coverage I've read seems to have overlooked how close Piquet Sr is with both Ecclestone and Mosely and how he and Briatore had issues during the time he was driving for Benetton in 90/91.

**wren** · 09-22-2009, 10:40 PM

From PlanetF1's "10 Conclusions from Nelsinhogate":

9.The words 'Nelson' and 'Piquet' will now form a verb, the meaning of which is to deliberately crash your car, i.e. "I thought, 'what the hell' and Nelson Piquet-ed it into her rear bumper."

I love it.

**eldereldo** · 09-23-2009, 06:10 PM

What a crock, deliberately crashing a car so as to be able to win a race merits a two year suspended exclusion. Reading another teams technical doucuments to gain a 'possible', never proven that there was one, technical advantage got a 1 year suspended exclusion and a 100 million dollar fine. And Flavio is gone for ever, without actually being able to appear before the FIA to defend himself. And not allowing him to manage any F1 drivers, or participate in any FIA sanctioned events. Methinks a lawsuit regarding a non judicial entity removing his right to make a living, is looming. ANyone else think this is Max's last kick at Flavio for heading up the FOTA talk of a breakaway series?

And giving Piquet Jr. immunity despite deliberately causing the crash? Only saving grace on that is that most likely he is gone from F1 permanently anyways.

It appears it just wouldn't be F1 without a major political screw-up every year.

**PNWbrit** · 09-24-2009, 05:25 PM

ING remove title sponsorship from Renault with immediate effect. Spanish insurance firm Mutua Madrilena also request that their sponsorship be removed from cars.

Cool F1 related story about Alex Zanardi attempting to compete in 2012 paralympic games.

**ass-to-mouth** · 09-29-2009, 02:47 PM

Max compares himself to a black man and other interesting observations.

**4matic** · 09-29-2009, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by eldereldo

What a crock, deliberately crashing a car so as to be able to win a race merits a two year suspended exclusion. Reading another teams technical doucuments to gain a 'possible', never proven that there was one, technical advantage got a 1 year suspended exclusion and a 100 million dollar fine. And Flavio is gone for ever, without actually being able to appear before the FIA to defend himself. And not allowing him to manage any F1 drivers, or participate in any FIA sanctioned events. Methinks a lawsuit regarding a non judicial entity removing his right to make a living, is looming. ANyone else think this is Max's last kick at Flavio for heading up the FOTA talk of a breakaway series?

And giving Piquet Jr. immunity despite deliberately causing the crash? Only saving grace on that is that most likely he is gone from F1 permanently anyways.

It appears it just wouldn't be F1 without a major political screw-up every year.

Causing a yellow for a teammate is not that uncommon. Happens all the time in Nascar and Indycar. At Indy the quote from Mario goes "Does Michael want some jello?"

**ass-to-mouth** · 09-30-2009, 01:32 PM

In honor of Kimi officially getting the boot from Ferrari.

**f2f** · 09-30-2009, 01:37 PM

i think Roo said it best: nothing like a functioning alcoholic to brighten your day

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VW2oAkjcJ4"]YouTube - Kimi Drunk[/ame]

**PNWbrit** · 09-30-2009, 01:50 PM

Massive head injury and Alonso as team mate.

Massa is right proper fucked.

**Vt-Freeheel** · 09-30-2009, 03:53 PM

Bleh, Alonso is a whiny cunt. He could not handle Lewis' success and ran back to Renault.
I am pulling hard for Massa to return to F1. If Massa is unable to race, could Kimi return?
Kimis' skill as a driver is most impressive but what I love most about him is his casual attitude about it all and how there is more to life.
This would make it "sporting"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mot...-Hamilton.html

**PNWbrit** · 09-30-2009, 04:04 PM

It's weird how that is the perception people take out of the Hamilton/Alonso episode.

They seem to forget that it was Hamilton that threw his toys out of the pram first At Monaco about team orders against him and then set off the incident that led to Alonso giving him the pit box hold up treatment in Hungary.

He probably is a deeply shitty individual. You probably have to be to get to that level. But he's without a doubt the best driver on the grid, Hamilton maybe a close second perhaps eventually he'll be even better. But at the moment he's the best. I doubt you'd find a single person actually involved in F1 who would disagree.