Tell me one good reason why all cars aren't mandated to have daytime running lights?

**BakerBoy** · 10-29-2007, 06:13 PM

Its all a conspiracy by the headlight bulb manufacturers. The bulbs burn out far, far faster, thus requiring everybody to purchase more bulbs. Much like the underwear gnomes.

**bio-smear** · 10-29-2007, 06:27 PM

+1 for DJMingus. Alternator drag due to additional current required by headlights is poppycock.

**RootSkier** · 10-29-2007, 06:44 PM

Forizzle. I leave for a few hours and return to find my thread has LongLegsInAlaska. Why don't you post a picture of your headlights, you salty whore?

**Blurred** · 10-29-2007, 06:53 PM

HOLY FUCKING SHIT.

This might be the dumbest fucking TGR thread of all time.

Drag from the alternator? are you fucking retarded? How do your lights stay on when the engine isn't running? Moron.

Wow. You guys have surpassed a new level of dumbfuckdom.

Idiot if you don't drive a visible car? How about a motorcycle?

Yall need to get out more.

Jesus Christ.

**Eldo** · 10-29-2007, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Rontele

...I know some countries, like Canukistan, require you to drive with your lights on during the day...

Maybe in Canukistan, but not here in Canada. No such law.

And of course it would be up to individual provinces to pass such legislation anyways, not the federal government.

**RootSkier** · 10-29-2007, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

HOLY FUCKING SHIT.

So you agree with me, then?

**Blurred** · 10-29-2007, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by RootSkier

So you agree with me, then?

Do I think people should have their lights on for visibility when necessary? YES

Do I think if you don't even have the common sense to turn on your lights manually when visibility is important, should you be behind the wheel? NO

Do I think laws for morons to protect them from the laws of Darwin are a good idea? NO

Do I want more laws, rules and regulations in my life? NO

Do I think your life is probably pretty pathetic as demonstrated by posting this thread? YES

Rooster · 10-29-2007, 07:31 PM

One good reason fucknut. Its called freedom, which you obviously know nothing about.

**Jer** · 10-29-2007, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Rooster

One good reason fucknut. Its called freedom, which you obviously know nothing about.

Meh. I like the painted queer better.

Rooster · 10-29-2007, 07:36 PM

Damn. like a lightning bolt from God. Jer appears. Painted Queer... found.

**mavrick** · 10-29-2007, 07:49 PM

i like your style rooster, those heels go great with your outfit!

better hope you arent turning jer on with pics like that....

**nesta** · 10-29-2007, 08:12 PM

oh and while you guys mandate DRL's to be standard equipment on all new vehicles, could you also switch to using the metric system? Try to keep up eh?

**SuperChief** · 10-29-2007, 08:14 PM

Thanks Ugly Money, you have posted the most uninformed thing about cars I have ever seen on the web. I spose you saves many gallons of fuel a year by not turning on the headlights of your corn truck.

I think that most people on the road aren't considerate, with turning their headlights on in the evening/morning when the sun is at their back, because you can't see shit when you're driving in the sun or the twilight hours.

**Shaggy** · 10-29-2007, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Eldo

Maybe in Canukistan, but not here in Canada. No such law.

And of course it would be up to individual provinces to pass such legislation anyways, not the federal government.

What? The feds have mandated DRLs since 1991 for all newly manufactured cars, and any imported car. The individual provinces pass laws dictating the rules of the road, and "headlights on" laws are in there. Ontario for example mandates headlights on from a half hour before sunset until a half hour after sunrise and during periods of rain.

**scoober** · 10-29-2007, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by RootSkier

FUCKING RETARDED. A two lane mountain road at 8 am, yeah buddy, I realize you can see, but NO ONE CAN SEE YOU.

Why the fuck do cars even go into gear without the headlights going on?

How was it a dangerous situation?

If he was passing someone and was in your lane heading toward you, fine, he's in the wrong. Other situations I can think of put the onus on you (now the general you) to operate your vehicle safely.

1. He is in your lane, you are behind him. Are you traveling so fast that you run up on his ass because you didn't see him without his lights on?

2. You are passing someone and go into his lane as he is oncoming. Your call and your responsibility to make sure the coast is clear when passing someone in low visibility conditions.

It is the decision of the driver whether he wants to put his lights on as conditions warrant, and it is the responsibility for every driver to make sure the coast is clear. Not sure if someone is coming because you can't see? Don't pass, drive a little more conservatively, whatever. Your friendly Starbuck's hottie will be there waiting for you even if you are 5min behind schedule.

**Tippster** · 10-29-2007, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by scoober

It is the decision of the driver whether he wants to put his lights on as conditions warrant, and it is the responsibility for every driver to make sure the coast is clear...

Of course you understand that one of those conditions is others' ability to see YOU, thus ensuring the coast is clear. You live in a rainy place, Scoober. Ever get surprised by a gray car in the mist with their fucking lights off? I have, and I get pissed at the selfish motherfucker for not simply turning on the goddamn headlights, especially when my kids are in my car.

It's not like we're asking for a lot here.

**cj001f** · 10-29-2007, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Tippster

Ever get surprised by a gray car in the mist with their fucking lights off?

He drives in Seattle Tipp.

He's going 10 under the speed limit at all times, braking 1/4 mile before any intersection, and slowing to 15mph or a dead stop if there's less than 2' clearance on either side of his vehicle.

**bio-smear** · 10-29-2007, 09:59 PM

The act of not turning on your lights in any kind of marginal visibility or low light condition is indicative of a greater general negligence on the driver's part. I don't think anyone who fails to flip on their lights at dusk refuses to do so on purpose...they're just too stupid to perceive the situation outside their drivers' seat. I can prob drive just fine at with .15 BAC but it's generally accepted by our society as a criminally negligent, and something that should be legislated.

**Arty50** · 10-29-2007, 10:09 PM

Like others have already said, the resistance of an alternator is constant throughout the rpm range. The voltage regulator, which is a completely separate part, limits the amount of voltage that gets transferred to your battery. In fact, it's actually possible to hook up too much shit to your car and kill your battery even with the alternator running and voltage regulator wide open.

There are only two belt driven engine accessories which have the capability to instantly create more drag on the engine: the A/C compressor and a mechanical fan clutch. When either engages, it will produce the "instant" drag you describe. An alternator will never...I repeat...NEVER do that.

If you don't believe me, then tear an alternator apart and tell me where this magical clutch device exists inside. I wish you luck with that.

Secondly, and most importantly, daytime running lights DO work. Highway 152 from Gilroy to I-5 in California used to be known as blood alley. At one time, it had the highest number of deaths of any highway in the United States. Do you know what initially cut that death toll drastically? Mandatory daytime headlights. Signs were posted at both ends of the road requiring the use of headlights during the daytime, and the CHP enforced it religiously. It showed immediate, significant results.

Also, you're lying if you tell me that you can't see an oncoming car quicker and at a further distance when it's coming at you with it's headlights on. Or else, you're one blind motherfucker and shouldn't be driving anyway.

**RootSkier** · 10-29-2007, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by scoober

How was it a dangerous situation?

Stay the fuck out of Montana, then. The speedlimit is 70, which means we go 80. If some asshat grandma is going 60, she is going to be passed. If you are driving a grey Geo Metro with your lights off, you are going to fucking DIE when the rancher in the King Cab Ford 85000000 makes his move.

Don't be a fucking retard, turn your lights on, JONG driver.

**Blurred** · 10-29-2007, 10:30 PM

I love how the same guy advocating the safety of daytime running lights is the same one spewing about speeding as a lifestyle. Maybe you should ride the bus.

**RootSkier** · 10-29-2007, 10:35 PM

They let me off the short bus years ago. I still wear a helmet, though.

edit: If everyone drove in a full face helmet, would the mortality rates in vehicular accidents significantly decrease? I don't know, but I am going to look into a 5 point harness.

**uglymoney** · 10-29-2007, 10:45 PM

Yes, I can think of one case in which added electrical usage does not increase load on the alternator. Some outboards boat engines use the block as a heat sink and the alternator runs full time all the time. They can get a way with that since they are water cooled with unlimited cool water. In that case you all are right, but not with cars.

More tomorrow.

**Blurred** · 10-29-2007, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by uglymoney

Yes, I can think of one case in which added electrical usage does not increase load on the alternator. Some outboards boat engines use the block as a heat sink and the alternator runs full time all the time. They can get a way with that since they are water cooled from a lack with unlimited cool water./ In that case you all are right, but not with cars.

More tomorrow.

What in the hell are you talking about?

**bio-smear** · 10-29-2007, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by uglymoney

Yes, I can think of one case in which added electrical usage does not increase load on the alternator. Some outboards boat engines use the block as a heat sink and the alternator runs full time all the time. They can get a way with that since they are water cooled with unlimited cool water. In that case you all are right, but not with cars.

More tomorrow.

You've become the 0BernhardFranz of automotive threads.