50 years to the day

[MultiVerse]

FWIW, Operation Midnight Hammer started under the Obama administration. In 2009, a U.S. intelligence officer was shown a secret nuclear site buried deep in the Iranian mountains. For sixteen years, he and a teammate studied every detail—geology, air vents, construction, equipment—knowing the site was a nuclear weapons facility. But the U.S. had no weapon that could destroy it. The George W. Bush admin previously studied tactical nukes as an option but dismissed them as infeasible. So the Obama era team helped develop one: the GBU-57. In June 2025, the call came. President Trump ordered the strike.

It is now established by the IAEA that Iran’s nuclear program suffered "enormous damage" and thousands centrifuges are completely destroyed

[Bunion 2020]

Mohammad Mossadegh came to power as the head of the National Front in 1951, a time of political unrest and escalating demands for the nationalization of Iran's oil industry . While it is true that the Fadaiyan-e Islam group engaged in political assassinations, most notably the assassination of Prime Minister Haj Ali Razmara, this act facilitated the political climate that led to Mossadegh's election as Prime Minister, but was not something he orchestrated. Mossadegh himself was not responsible for the assassinations.

I take it you dont understand nuance and prefer a black and white world.
And none of your bullshit changes the fact that when it comes to regime change, we kind of suck at it.

[highangle]

Nuance us, Bunzo.

[highangle]

How are the Russians so good at it?

[MultiVerse]

Nuance? Bunion doesn't understand the word nuance. His entire premise is wrong. Instead, like a lot people, he blames America—entirely—in all his examples while ignoring history and the fact that much larger domestic & foreign forces were involved

[Bunion 2020]

How are the Russians so good at it?

Are they? If so probably because they don't care about the damage they inflict.

Nuance? Bunion doesn't understand the word nuance. His entire premise is wrong. Instead, like a lot people, he blames America—entirely—

Go fuck yourself, you are no longer worth my time.

[MultiVerse]

Question for Bunion? Even though Mossadegh and the National Front of Iran did not order the political assassinations, but their actions and alliances with Fadaiyan-e Islam who did, created a climate where political violence, including assassinations, allowed his faction to come to power, is that more "regime change" than the CIA paying Iranians to protest, notwithstanding the much more massive organic protests, against the regime that itself rose to power on waves of political violence?

[J. Barron DeJong]

Go fuck yourself, you are no longer worth my time.

Correct conclusion.

[MultiVerse]

Do you ladies want put on your nightgowns, crack open a tube of cookie dough and talk it out?

[LongShortLong]

Remembering high school chemistry... what is an atom? What is an element? What is an isotope? How is one made or destroyed? Well, generally speaking they aren't created or destroyed, they just exist.

How does one get enriched uranium? Well, like most metals, it begins with prospecting, then mining, then milling, and refining. For enriched uranium, there's one more step, isotopic separation. It's a lot of work at each stage.

So, if we assume the best case for Iran's nuclear opponents, there is now a mountain in Iran that contains enriched uranium, at a known location and depth. And not very deep. A miner with hand tools can reach it. All the hard parts from prospecting to isotopic enrichment are already completed, just need to go get it. Contrary to the rambling of a stable genius, it's not obliterated. Not via bombing.

Would be nice if we had actual news instead of our Jerry Springer "information age."

[mcski]

Dude is both sides-ing Pinochet’s coup now in his obsession to be right about everything has clearly jumped the shark

[MultiVerse]

It's true about both sides—not your old timey reference, tho—both Pinochet & Allende were undemocratic tyrants. One begat the other. That's the problem with populist revolutions, often times they eat their own

[mcski]

Youre a fuckin idiot

[MultiVerse]

You do know we have real world counterfactuals, right? Venezuela's Hugo Chávez stated publicly he based his government takeover on Allende's "Chileanization" project. Chavez viewed Allende as his role model both for how he wanted to govern, and how to seize power without relinquishing democratic control. And the Mossadegh model was a precursor to the 1979 Iranian Revolution. In both cases a charismatic leader rallied different segments society against secular and moderate political forces paving the way for the emergence of radical leftist groups.

[highangle]

Are they? If so probably because they don't care about the damage they inflict. Go fuck yourself, you are no longer worth my time.

Correct conclusion.

Dude is both sides-ing Pinochet’s coup now in his obsession to be right about everything has clearly jumped the shark

Youre a fuckin idiot

Is this the best you can be, guys?

Maybe you could be in Polyass whining about how the goddamn DNC wont send you a messiah?

[mcski]

You do know we have real world counterfactuals, right? Venezuela's Hugo Chávez stated publicly he based his government takeover on Allende's "Chileanization" project. Chavez viewed Allende as his role model both for how he wanted to govern, and how to seize power without relinquishing democratic control. And the Mossadegh model was a precursor to the 1979 Iranian Revolution. In both cases a charismatic leader rallied different segments society against secular and moderate political forces paving the way for the emergence of radical leftist groups.

So Nationalizing industries under a democratically elected president is the same thing as generalissimo taking power by coup then instituting decades of killings, torture, and disappearing people?

Anyway, how about you steer this back to how Isreal is always right and all those Gazans getting murdered by the IDF while trying to get some food is totally ok

Or how reports are out that Trump is floating helping Iran w a civilian nuclear program?

[MultiVerse]

You're right Pinochet's time in power was worse because it lasted longer. The part you conveniently left out was the fact that Allende attempted his own self-coup to remain in power through armed groups, illegal arrests, torture, muzzling the press, and suspending the legislative & judicial branches of government. Hugo Chávez said over-and-over that he learned from Allende's experience how to seize power after winning an election. Hugo Chávez adopted Allende's ideas on carrying out a revolution through democratic means saying he took inspiration from Allende's approach. That's what I mean by there's a real world counterfactual. Putin, Lukashenko, etc., are other contemporary examples of that type of takeover

Or how reports are out that Trump is floating helping Iran w a civilian nuclear program?

Trump also says he's close to ceasefire in Gaza within the next week. And he thinks he can get Iran to turnover its stockpile of highly enriched uranium. Trump also claims he saved Ali Khamenei from "a very ugly and ignominious death,"

Hamas is facing internal challenges and uncertainty over Iran support:

"A Palestinian official close to Hamas said the group was weighing the risk of diminished Iranian backing, anticipating "the impact will be on the shape of funding and the expertise Iran used to give to the resistance and Hamas."

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...an-2025-06-27/

[Bunion 2020]

Originally Posted by Bunion 2020 View Post Are they? If so probably because they don't care about the damage they inflict. Go fuck yourself, you are no longer worth my time.

IDGAF if you disagree but if you are going to quote me, don't edit what I wrote to suit your narratives. And you are not worth anyone's time either.

[neufox47]

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That’s always worked out so well before…. Especially in Iran.

[Cono Este]

Man it’s so painful to see everyone regurgitate the bullshit you were taught at state school about chile from commie professors. We need to cut these schools off.

Truly stomach turning.

From the people of chile, I beg you all to fuck off.

[JimmyCarter]

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Truly stomach turning.

From the people of chile, I beg you all to fuck off.

Bootlicking son of a bootlicker says what?

[Bunion 2020]

He is too fucking stupid to understand that this is not about Chile and IS about the US history of regime change.

[MultiVerse]

One wonders what is it about the US history of regime change that Bunion seems to think is relevant to this conversation? Despite one tweet from Trump the U.S, is not doing regime change in Iran. He keeps bringing up Bush era Iraq but refuses to explain why he thinks that's relevant to Iran in 2025? As far as I can tell the only similarity between the two is three letters?

From the people of chile, I beg you all to fuck off.

Perhaps the worst thing about Pinochet's regime is that Chile could have enacted economic reforms without all the mass arrests and torture. Once Allende's unconstitutional & unpopular self-coup had been quelled Chileans would have supported a more moderate democratically elected government. Allende's popularity declined significantly in Chile during his presidency. This decline was fueled by economic problems, political polarization, real wages falling by 40-percent and the fact that Allende's government was authoritarian.

The Marxists could have been marginalized and ignored. In fact, in 2022 Chilean Marxists were given a chance to rewrite the Constitution, which they did. Then Chile held a vote. Two thirds of voters in Chile soundly rejected it:

https://www.economist.com/the-americ...w-constitution

[jono]

One wonders what is it about the US history of regime change that Bunion seems to think is relevant to this conversation?

By this conversation you mean the topics people bring up in this thread? One wonders if one has read this thread.

[MultiVerse]

<p>
Yes, that&#39;s what I mean.&nbsp;<span data-huuid="2108957032078706365"><span>Check out the big brain on Jono.&nbsp;</span></span>People are arguing that a ground invasion and regime change are on the table and in response bunion argues the US history of regime change needs to be called into question</p>