50 years to the day

[californiagrown]

Iran was shooting missiles at Israel an hour after the ceasefire. Is Israel really aslo "breaking the ceasefire" if they retaliate after Iran's ballistic missile attacks on Israeli cities?

According to dumps it was a single rocket from Iran that was not on target for Israel.
Wait, are you gonna tell me that i shouldnt trust the word of POTUS? Is POTUS more or less trustworthy than Bibi?

[MultiVerse]

The International Atomic Energy Agency has asked Iran to inspect the sites. Israel says they know the location of stockpiles of enriched uranium, saying it is buried under the rubble of one of the facilities. They did not specify which site, probably Fordow or Isfahan, and go on to say that they did not destroy the stockpile due to concerns about nuclear contamination.

[The Nuclear Option]

“So the (DIA) assessment is that the US set them back maybe a few months, tops,”

[MultiVerse]

According to dumps it was a single rocket from Iran that was not on target for Israel. Wait, are you gonna tell me that i shouldnt trust the word of POTUS? Is POTUS more or less trustworthy than Bibi?

Everyone is getting the timeline and what happened wrong. Two rockets. One fell harmlessly and another killed four Israelis. The agreed ceasefire had a staged timeline. Iran was supposed to stop hostilities first, a humiliating twelve hours before Israel which they violated, with Israel going all out on a strike package in its twelve hour window. Which angered Trump. Guy dropped an F-bomb in front of the cameras. Israel then alos destroyed a radar facility in response to Iran's earlier violation

“So the (DIA) assessment is that the US set them back maybe a few months, tops,”

The answer is "it depends" on whether Iran decides to dig up its stockpile and enrich to full weapons grade. The ceasefire agreement stipulates that Iran proceeds with nonproliferation negotiations whereas they were dragging their feet before. It should also occur to everyone that arguing the strikes only set back Iran's nuclear weapons program a few months concedes the premise that Iran has a nuclear weapons program

[The SnowShow]

So the US used their most powerful non-nuclear bombs and didn’t succeed in destroying the core components and program, while spending billions of dollars. Way to blow your load Dumps.

[californiagrown]

The agreed ceasefire had a staged timeline.

Agreed to? By whom? Sounds like the only person who agreed to the ceasefire was drumps.

[californiagrown]

So the US used their most powerful non-nuclear bombs

Not even close. Horses for courses.

[Cono Este]

The IDF flew hundreds, if not a thousand missions. I’m sure their targets were chosen and prioritized as much as anyone could.

But here come the forever war pussies who didn’t get their dividends.

[MultiVerse]

CNN's report that Iran's nuke program is only set back by months is based on a low-confidence DIA report. America isn't very good at human intelligence because the CIA mostly hires Mormons who don't fit in on foreign soil. Israel's assessment on the other hand is several years. Mossad is the best foreign intelligence agency in the world. They have both human & signal intel from inside Iran. The US intel community has little evidence either way.

Agreed to? By whom? Sounds like the only person who agreed to the ceasefire was drumps.

So are you arguing instead that Iran successfully ended the war in what they call a "great victory"? Nonsense, right? Trump is an idiot and his policies are terrible but he cooked this time. I personally despise his policies especially when comes to the ICE deportations, but sometimes you have to admit he can be funny too:

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1937501734848319523

[J. Barron DeJong]

Not even close. Horses for courses.

White House Press Secretary said they dropped 14 30,000 lb bombs. Do we have something even bigger?

[californiagrown]

It should also occur to everyone that arguing the strikes only set back Iran's nuclear weapons program a few months concedes the premise that Iran has a nuclear weapons program

It could be argued that a number of countries have nuclear weapons programs. A lot depends on how close to breakout you want to draw the line.

And no one in their right mind thinks that Irans nuclear program was entirely peaceful. The question is how close to breakout were they actaully... because the last time we intevened militarily in a country sounding like Iran, to prevent them from using WMDs, it turned out that the intelligence was bunk.

[J. Barron DeJong]

It could be argued that a number of countries have nuclear weapons programs. A lot depends on how close to breakout you want to draw the line. And no one in their right mind thinks that Irans nuclear program was entirely peaceful. The question is how close to breakout were they actaully... because the last time we intevened militarily in a country sounding like Iran, to prevent them from using WMDs, it turned out that the intelligence was bunk.

The whole point of the Iran nuclear deal was to extend that breakout time, targeting one year.

[MultiVerse]

You two in fact tried to argue this was Iraq 2.0, based on "propaganda" or an "illusion of a WMD program for deterence"

[californiagrown]

So are you arguing instead that Iran successfully ended the war in what they call a "great victory"? Nonsense, right?

I was just chuckling at dumps announcing a big beautiful ceasefire while rockets and missiles continue to be fired in the background, while his face turns redder, and redder with anger.

White House Press Secretary said they dropped 14 30,000 lb bombs. Do we have something even bigger?

those 30,000lb bombs are big, no doubt. But they are 5k explosive, 25k hardened metal meant to protect the explosive as it smashes through 100ft of rock. their power lies in their ability to burrow down to hardened bunkers... thats what makes them different.

Want a big boy bomb? Google MOAB. 1 mile blast radius.

[J. Barron DeJong]

I am aware of MOAB, but:

The MOAB is not a penetrator weapon and is primarily an air burst bomb intended for soft to medium surface targets covering extended areas and targets in a contained environment such as a deep canyon or within a cave system.

The MOPs that we dropped were specifically designed to penetrate hardened targets, no?

[californiagrown]

I am aware of MOAB, but: The MOAB is not a https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penetration_(weapons)"]penetrator weapon[/URL] and is primarily an https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_burst"]air burst[/URL] bomb intended for soft to medium surface targets covering extended areas and targets in a contained environment such as a deep canyon or within a https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_system"]cave system[/URL]. The MOPs that we dropped were specifically designed to penetrate hardened targets, no?

We are talking past each other i think. I was responding to a poster who said we dropped our most powerful non nuke. I said the GBU57 was not our most powerful non-nuke bomb, and that there are horses for courses (I.e. use a bigass bunker buster for bunkers, not a thermobaric airburst bomb for maximum near surface destruction).

MOAB is about 10KT of TNT, while the GBU57 is about 2KT. Neither are small, but one is 5x more powerful.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Ah, got it.

I thought you were saying we still had even larger bombs suitable to drop on these nuclear sites.

[summit]

MOP is our biggest conventional bunker buster; delivery by B-2. MOAB is our biggest conventional bomb; delivery by C-130. MOAB would not be effective against a target like Fordo.

Hopefully the damage and delay is many years worth. If it isn't the US strike was a failure. Israel claimed several years. I was certainly concerned that the strikes would not be effective. If we intentionally didn't smash the stockpiles due to local radiological contamination concerns, then that is TACO to the max.

Israel had a significant success from attackin BM & drone production, stockpiles, and launchers. Apparently the Ukranians were in on it too since a lot of Iran's production ends up sold to Putin and then blowing up Ukranian civilians.

[ticketchecker]

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[Meconium]

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[neufox47]

The answer is "it depends" on whether Iran decides to dig up its stockpile and enrich to full weapons grade. The ceasefire agreement stipulates that Iran proceeds with nonproliferation negotiations whereas they were dragging their feet before. It should also occur to everyone that arguing the strikes only set back Iran's nuclear weapons program a few months concedes the premise that Iran has a nuclear weapons program

Does it need to dig up its stockpile, or did they get enough out to build several bombs? Lots of reports that they moved their most enriched uranium out before the bombs fell.

Unfortunately it is looking more and more like we both sent the clearest message possible that Iran will never be safe until it has nukes and failed to meaningfully destroy their nuclear capabilities.

[MultiVerse]

lol, it sounds like everyone has settled on the talking point that the nuclear weapons program Iran was definitely not pursuing has only been set back a few months instead of being destroyed

[The Nuclear Option]

Trump was all butthurt about reports the bombings might not have “obliterated” the nuke sites. Goes all whiny bitch, bemoanong that the “fake news” are trying to “demean” the military strikes.Poor baby. How dare anyone question his big bombing mission!!!!

[JimmyCarter]

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Not sure who you’re dunking on, the original pushback wasnt that they weren’t “pursuing”, just that it wasn’t an immediate threat that necessitated us getting involved.

[MultiVerse]

lol, that's called retroactive continuity, or retcon for short