Wildfire ‘24

[Bunion 2020]

Biden says 100% coverage for all 180 days after. Throw another trillion on the pile. 0 consequence, build next to a volcano next time. USA.

the president said federal funding will cover things like removing debris, setting up temporary shelters, and paying first responders. Mr. Biden said he's surging all federal resources possible to Southern California, including 400 federal firefighters and 30 federal firefighting planes, among other assets.

Congress may need to pass supplemental funding to buoy rebuilding efforts, and the president urged Congress to "step up."

Reading comprehension?

[bodywhomper]

byates, what sort of consequences are you proposing?

Apparently, the Eaton Fire may have been caused by a transmission line failure. The line is owned/operated by Southern CA Edison. There are multiple transmission lines in that area that provide power for a large portion of SoCal.

[skaredshtles]

Reading comprehension?

Well, the truth may not fit certain... narratives that are embraced by... some people.

[raisingarizona13]

Bill Burr….right on as usual:

https://youtu.be/oVivExzIYW8?si=nipwi_qDOiykzgpD

F yeah. The finger pointing blame game is damn cunty.

[byates1]

Well, the truth may not fit certain... narratives that are embraced by... some people.

It'll still be a trillion bailout. Who cares.

[Bunion 2020]

It'll still be a trillion bailout. Who cares.

Like the Feds bailed out: Florida, NC and TN? Or Maui?

Here is your fucking bailout:

As devastating wildfires continue to burn in the Los Angeles region on Wednesday—placing tens of thousand of Californians under evacuation orders and causing over $250 billion in economic damages by one estimate—a pair of new reports highlight how fossil fuel companies have dodged responsibility for their role in the destruction and hampered the state's ability to fight back by depriving it of funds.

Two new reports highlight how fossil fuel companies hampered the state's ability to fight back by depriving it of funds.

California's fossil fuel industry deployed lobbying muscle to kill legislation that would compel polluters to pay into a fund that would help prevent disasters and aid cleanup efforts, and has taken advantage of a tax loophole to deprives the state of corporate tax revenue, thereby "putting climate and social programs in peril." In the case of the former, California's biggest fossil fuel trade group, the Western States Petroleum Association, recently launched a digital campaign that appears aimed at throwing cold water on any such legislative efforts.

According to The Guardian, the Polluters Pay Climate Cost Recovery Act of 2024 appeared on 76% of the 74 lobby filings submitted in 2024 by the oil company Chevron and the Western States Petroleum Association.

The legislation—which didn't make it out of the state senate in 2024—would, if enacted, create a recovery program forcing fossil fuel polluters to pay their "fair share of the damage caused by the sale of their products" during the period of 2000 to 2020, according to the nonprofit newsroom CalMatters.

According to The Guardian, the filings from those two firms that included this specific bill totaled over $30 million—though lobbying laws do not require a breakdown that would make clear how much was spent specifically on the "polluter pay" law.

With Los Angeles burning, there's renewed interest in passing the bill, The Guardian reports, citing supporters of the legislation. But Western States Petroleum Association isn't sitting idly by. On January 8, the group launched ads that suggest measures like the "polluter pay" bill would force them to increase oil prices. The ads, which appear to have been taken down, do "not specifically mention the polluter pay bill, it echoes the 2024 campaign that did," wrote The Guardian.

[skaredshtles]

Good God Ron Johnson is a fuckin' moran.

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/15/nx-s1...id-republicans

[jackstraw]

Good God Ron Johnson is a fuckin' moran.

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/15/nx-s1...id-republicans

Complete fucking idiot. All the Republicans are.

[bodywhomper]

How much is each Californian paying into the federal government for helping people in FL to rebuild their homes or rent a house while they rebuild or rebuild destroyed FL infrastructure.

These are stupid and divisive political tactics to further a culture war.


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[civilcoconut]

When I started in WF in 2000 there was a robust debate (especially in CA) going on about building in the WUI, how to build in the WUI, how to put in place codes around building materials and required clearances and a general consensus from wildfire experts that it was a bad idea to build and fight fire in the WUI in general because we were going to burn a lot of houses, potentially kill a bunch of people and it was going to be really, really expensive.

All of the concerns have pretty much been ignored in favor of further development in WUI areas. So here we are 25 years later with year after year of community destroying events, insurance companies pulling out, climate conditions getting worse and the federal WFF workforce about to implode and apparently having learned virtually nothing.


(By the way, in my entire career as a WFF, the people complaining about not getting hired as a white guy were universally shitbags.)

[skaredshtles]

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These are stupid and divisive political tactics to further a culture war.

Correct. Which is *exactly* what some people in particular want. And useful idiots around here carry their water.

[The SnowShow]

F yeah. The finger pointing blame game is damn cunty.

I’m so fucking sick of everything devolving into a fucking political smear campaign. Both sides are guilty.

[Bunion 2020]

Both sides are guilty.

[byates1]

I’m so fucking sick of everything devolving into a fucking political smear campaign. Both sides are guilty.

I think it's more Donald Trumps fault

[Iowagriz]

Cross post - not sure how helpful this info is to other parts of the west.

Missoula news had a news item about these new cameras being used either AI to identify wildfires. Cool, but i also noticed good views for other uses (good view of Snowbowl). I didn't poke around to see what other parts of the West were on the site.

https://alertwest.live/

[SKIP IN7RO]

I think it's more Donald Trumps fault

[byates1]

Donald Trump created the 60 min hour. He knows more than anyone about minutes.

[ötzi]

When I started in WF in 2000 there was a robust debate (especially in CA) going on about building in the WUI, how to build in the WUI, how to put in place codes around building materials and required clearances and a general consensus from wildfire experts that it was a bad idea to build and fight fire in the WUI in general because we were going to burn a lot of houses, potentially kill a bunch of people and it was going to be really, really expensive.

All of the concerns have pretty much been ignored in favor of further development in WUI areas. So here we are 25 years later with year after year of community destroying events, insurance companies pulling out, climate conditions getting worse and the federal WFF workforce about to implode and apparently having learned virtually nothing.


(By the way, in my entire career as a WFF, the people complaining about not getting hired as a white guy were universally shitbags.)

Strong first post. And hates Cono right out of the gate, nice.

[Not DJSapp]

Jesus fucking Christ people. Y'all don't see it. The feds aren't bailing people out, or states out. They step in and pay so the entire global insurance system doesn't collapse. You think State Farm, Travelers, Farmers, Allstate, and the rest of them can take multiple 9 figure losses every year?

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[bodywhomper]

Isn’t that what led to the creation of the NFIP for losses related to flooding?

But if the fires were caused by failures in energized electrical lines, who will ultimately pay?

[Meadow Skipper]

…But if the fires were caused by failures in energized electrical lines, who will ultimately pay?

The power company’s customers and taxpayers.

[MultiVerse]

Policy measured on its outcomes, and not its intentions, would make for a better world.

How Well-Intentioned Policies Fueled L.A.’s Fires:

- The real story of the wildfires isn’t about malice or incompetence. It’s about well-intentioned policies with unintended consequences

- Take insurance. People may think twice about moving to a fire-prone area if they see the danger reflected in a fee

- In 1988, California voters passed Proposition 103, arbitrarily reducing rates by 20 percent and subjecting future rate increases to public oversight

- Decades of worsening climate risk alongside suppressed premiums have prompted many insurers to drop coverage altogether

- California FAIR Plan—a public insurer of last resort, means California taxpayers could be on the hook for more than a trillion dollars

- Artificially low premiums have also spurred new housing production in fire-prone regions on the edges of cities like Los Angeles

- Land-use reform is purely advisory

- Too many plans and too little implementation

- Once the fires are out, California will need to build, fast. This disaster can teach it how, if policy makers will listen

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...zoning/681288/

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Kind of wordy there. It’s money and developers and zoning commissions are to blame. They’ve duped the public.


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[MultiVerse]

Voters, not developers, passed Proposition 103 in 1988

The high cost of housing is one of the biggest problems America faces. Polls show Americans support more housing construction. But when told real estate developers will need to build housing support drops off.

The level of delusion is off the charts. Good intentions (more housing) comes at the expense of good policy (encouraging sound development)

[MagnificentUnicorn]

They were duped by lobbyists into believing it was a good idea. I know it’s up to them ultimately but you know people


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