Snow for the Euros.

[vendul]

[emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]] days if I’m Not wrong… for sure with lodging restrictions


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What: 3 completely average skiers planning a week trip from Norway to the Alps - probably in march

Why: get the fuck away from Norway for a bit, ski good terrain and hopefully good snow. Primarily lift served or short hikes/skins.

How: this is where TGR comes in to help me make a shortlist of possible locations

Important:
- relatively easy logistics. Preferably no rental car, long bus travels etc. Ideally jumping on a train or dedicated shuttle service on the airport
- different altitudes, aspects and terrain types close by, should "guarantee" at least some decent skiing

Somewhat important:
- food and stuff in the area, not luxury, just good
- nice if it's not the most expensive place around, nKr is all time low

Not important:
- aprez, we'll prioritize skiing
- huge lines etc

I've previously been to Chamonix a few times, my buddies have mostly been to France as well. As such, something further east - Austria maybe - could be fun

Suggestions?

[cat in january]

Euro grumble at Andermatt of course. Biggest drawback is almost all alpine terrain with only a small amount of trees at Desintis if skiing inside a ping pong ball

[vendul]

What: 3 completely average skiers planning a week trip from Norway to the Alps - probably in march

Why: get the fuck away from Norway for a bit, ski good terrain and hopefully good snow. Primarily lift served or short hikes/skins.

How: this is where TGR comes in to help me make a shortlist of possible locations

Important:
- relatively easy logistics. Preferably no rental car, long bus travels etc. Ideally jumping on a train or dedicated shuttle service on the airport
- different altitudes, aspects and terrain types close by, should "guarantee" at least some decent skiing

Somewhat important:
- food and stuff in the area, not luxury, just good
- nice if it's not the most expensive place around, nKr is all time low

Not important:
- aprez, we'll prioritize skiing
- huge lines etc

I've previously been to Chamonix a few times, my buddies have mostly been to France as well. As such, something further east - Austria maybe - could be fun

Suggestions?

This really sounds like us… I would follow Cat in January lead


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[Buster Highmen]

What: 3 completely average skiers planning a week trip from Norway to the Alps - probably in march

Why: get the fuck away from Norway for a bit, ski good terrain and hopefully good snow. Primarily lift served or short hikes/skins.

How: this is where TGR comes in to help me make a shortlist of possible locations

Important:
- relatively easy logistics. Preferably no rental car, long bus travels etc. Ideally jumping on a train or dedicated shuttle service on the airport
- different altitudes, aspects and terrain types close by, should "guarantee" at least some decent skiing

Somewhat important:
- food and stuff in the area, not luxury, just good
- nice if it's not the most expensive place around, nKr is all time low

Not important:
- aprez, we'll prioritize skiing
- huge lines etc

I've previously been to Chamonix a few times, my buddies have mostly been to France as well. As such, something further east - Austria maybe - could be fun

Suggestions?

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...indig-3-9-3-16

[Djongo Unchained]

^^^^^^^
In my brief experience, when the viz is low, we always have a few over eager baitfish willing to troll out first to test the condish.

It's a blast. You Norwegians should pencil it in; you pretty much described it.

[waxoff]

^^^^
Yep, and bring @Arild with you!

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Ok, ok, keep it coming. Not sure if it's in the cards this year, we'll probably try to decide as late as possible to follow the snow - but then again; that might take us towards you guys.

Anyhow, Andermatt / Desentis has been on my radar, but as you say - maybe a bit to much above treeline

Other places I've been considering, but not sure how they match my criteria:
- Lenzerheide / Arosa; I've been there in the summer / MTB. Seemed like it has a bit of different terrain? A bit to far from airports perhaps? Lenzerheide itself seemed a bit boring?
- Dolomites; big area - I know. Two of us has been in the Canazei-area in the summer. Looks nice, but maybe more tour based? Also a bit too far away from airports. Is the tree-skiing there too low/south? Low coverage?
- Both Engelberg and St.Anton should give us plenty of options terrain-wise, and easy axcess - but we don't need to go to the big places if we don't have to

What's further east? Montafon?

[Buster Highmen]

Easy train access options aside from the Andermatt-Disentis SkiArena should include Davos/Klosters and St. Moritz .
D/K has great tree skiing and surprising big descents from the Weissfluhgipfel at 2800m down to Kublis at 800m and a ton of fantastic touring either going over from Madrisa to Gargellen in Austria or south from Pischa towards St. Moritz or West, skiable to a train stop just below Arosa.

St. Mo is amazing for the off piste and easy access/short tour lift assisted. Hotels are a little more expensive, but that includes a half price lift ticket at about 50chf/day. No tree skiing, but last year I had the best white out powder day ever on Corviglia.

I only did a short day on the West side of Lenzerheide straddling the treeline, but could see that as decent storm skiing. The East side up off the Rothorn looks pretty gnarly, above trteeline, and there's interesting lift assisted tours from Lenzerheide/Arosa through Tschiertschen and even down to Chur.

Depending on your time limits, it's easy to do a train only loop through Graubunden: Andermatt-Disentis <->Klosters/Davis<->St. Moritz. Do 3 or 4 days at each.

Both Engelberg and St. Anton are easy train access and fantastic skiing but every time I've been through, the mobs ski up the snow pretty quickly. Montafon has been on my radar for years, direct train access to Schruns and reportedly great skiing, but I haven't been.

In France, I've had great times around Briancon with fantastic tree skiing all around Serre Chevalier and the Via Lattea with a relatively easy drive to a ton of other places like La Grave, the Maurienne valley and Vars/Risoul, even Trois Vallees via Orelle (which is on the train line). Briancon is also train accessible, but once there, a car is pretty essential. We flew to Geneva and rented a car a couple of years to get around to unheard of spots.

I've only been through Bad Gastein in the summer, but it looks like great skiing, lots of tree skiing options, alpine above tree line skiing at Sport Gastein with train access to Mallnitz/Ankogel and a taxi to the Moeltaller glacier. Easy train access after skiing to the Dolomites from there too.

[subtle plague]

If you want to follow the snow be sure to keep an eye on powderguide to follow the weather forecast ( made by real meteorologists) and the powder alert. ( made by some random weirdo). [emoji6]

In English since last season! Best on the Internet! And if you Click on the forecast, you Lose belly fat!

[banzai]

If you want to stormchase in Salzburg/Carinthia a car is a must imo.

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Easy train access options aside from the Andermatt-Disentis SkiArena should include Davos/Klosters and St. Moritz .
D/K has great tree skiing and surprising big descents from the Weissfluhgipfel at 2800m down to Kublis at 800m and a ton of fantastic touring either going over from Madrisa to Gargellen in Austria or south from Pischa towards St. Moritz or West, skiable to a train stop just below Arosa.

St. Mo is amazing for the off piste and easy access/short tour lift assisted. Hotels are a little more expensive, but that includes a half price lift ticket at about 50chf/day. No tree skiing, but last year I had the best white out powder day ever on Corviglia.

I only did a short day on the West side of Lenzerheide straddling the treeline, but could see that as decent storm skiing. The East side up off the Rothorn looks pretty gnarly, above trteeline, and there's interesting lift assisted tours from Lenzerheide/Arosa through Tschiertschen and even down to Chur.

Depending on your time limits, it's easy to do a train only loop through Graubunden: Andermatt-Disentis <->Klosters/Davis<->St. Moritz. Do 3 or 4 days at each.

Both Engelberg and St. Anton are easy train access and fantastic skiing but every time I've been through, the mobs ski up the snow pretty quickly. Montafon has been on my radar for years, direct train access to Schruns and reportedly great skiing, but I haven't been.

In France, I've had great times around Briancon with fantastic tree skiing all around Serre Chevalier and the Via Lattea with a relatively easy drive to a ton of other places like La Grave, the Maurienne valley and Vars/Risoul, even Trois Vallees via Orelle (which is on the train line). Briancon is also train accessible, but once there, a car is pretty essential. We flew to Geneva and rented a car a couple of years to get around to unheard of spots.

I've only been through Bad Gastein in the summer, but it looks like great skiing, lots of tree skiing options, alpine above tree line skiing at Sport Gastein with train access to Mallnitz/Ankogel and a taxi to the Moeltaller glacier. Easy train access after skiing to the Dolomites from there too.

Thanks a lot. Drove through / rode mye bike for a day in Davos a few years back. Can see the terrain there being good, but is Davos itself sort of bland and less charming?

Yes! Serre Chevalier, had almost forgotten about that place. Added to list for sure

If you want to follow the snow be sure to keep an eye on powderguide to follow the weather forecast ( made by real meteorologists) and the powder alert. ( made by some random weirdo). [emoji6]

Thanks

In English since last season! Best on the Internet! And if you Click on the forecast, you Lose belly fat!

If you want to stormchase in Salzburg/Carinthia a car is a must imo.

Copy. That probably takes that area out of the equation

[banzai]

That probably takes that area out of the equation

Let me clarify. You can absolutely get off the train station in Bad Gastein, which is on the main street and use the Gastein buses to go around. There is plenty to ski and a short bus ride is Sportgastein with more awesome tree skiing. Get first chair (gondola) and get off the middle station for party laps in the trees, if this what you are after. Above mid station is the alpine terrain. Check this out - bus and area map of Gastein
You can have a nice daytrip, as Buster suggested, and take the train to Mallnitz, get a taxi to Molltaler gletscher, but the terrain is only alpine. You can also ski from Scharek back to Sportgastein, but you might need a guide or be very comfortable in your own research. 1500m vertical drop alpine terrain. So you can do shitloads just there.
However if its windy and/or bad visibility, usually Molltaler and Sportgastein dont open for the day. Say you want to have a daytrip to Obertauern or some other gems nearby - its a 2 hour trip, 2 trains and then a bus. 1-ish hour by car.
Further east you have Schladming, which apparently has nice tree skiing, but never skied there, so cant comment from personal experience. Again 2 hours with train bus/1-ish hour by car. Nothing notable further east from there.
To the west of Bad Gastein - Kaprun - 2 hours by train/1 hour by car. Saalbach is near. West of there is Tirol.
There is loads of good skiing in the eastern Alps (Salz/Carinthia) and you can make it work, but having a car gives you so much felxibility to clutch and stormchase. Also, you can spot a nice pasture next to a road in a random village, stop your car, skin up and ski it after a dump. 200 m vertical drop, easygoing laps. The places without lifts that get tracked by the locals, before going to work, always amaze me.

[enlosandes]

Let me clarify. You can absolutely get off the train station in Bad Gastein, which is on the main street and use the Gastein buses to go around. There is plenty to ski and a short bus ride is Sportgastein with more awesome tree skiing. Get first chair (gondola) and get off the middle station for party laps in the trees, if this what you are after. Above mid station is the alpine terrain. Check this out - bus and area map of Gastein
You can have a nice daytrip, as Buster suggested, and take the train to Mallnitz, get a taxi to Molltaler gletscher, but the terrain is only alpine. You can also ski from Scharek back to Sportgastein, but you might need a guide or be very comfortable in your own research. 1500m vertical drop alpine terrain. So you can do shitloads just there.
However if its windy and/or bad visibility, usually Molltaler and Sportgastein dont open for the day.

Here's a good look at the mighty east face of Schareck from Sportsgastein taken last January.

[Buster Highmen]

Thanks a lot. Drove through / rode mye bike for a day in Davos a few years back. Can see the terrain there being good, but is Davos itself sort of bland and less charming?

Yes, Davos is kind of bland but Klosters is nice.

Yes! Serre Chevalier, had almost forgotten about that place. Added to list for sure

Of the 4 bases of SC, the highest one, Monetier Les Bains, is cool.

Copy. That probably takes that area out of the equation

Banzai likely knows better than I, but Mallnitz/Moetaller gets different weather than BG/HG/SkiAmade and again, there's a huDge number of areas in S. Austria/Italy and easy train access to the Dolomites from BG if it's storming down there. Head through San Candido/Innichen.

Rail map:

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Thanks a lot. I'll probably return with more questions at some point, but this has been really helpful so far

[TOLOCOMan]

Isn't the train from Gastein through to Mallintz closed this winter for repairs? Had wanted to do it on my trip this coming January so I could do that tour of Schareck to Sport Gastein, but my research showed it closed. Would love to hear otherwise!

[banzai]

Would love to tell you otherwise, but you are correct. Thanks for the heads up.
Total closure of the Tauern Tunnel 2024/2025: From 18.11.2024 - 04.07.2025.
Alternative bus services will be available, but its a 3 hr trip via the A10 (Bad Gastein - Mallnitz).

[AKAnderson]

It’s five or seven days with ‘approved’ lodging restrictions.

[subtle plague]

It’s five or seven days with ‘approved’ lodging restrictions.

I dont think the Bus would take that long. I mean it's not Switzerland, but even in Austria they get it done in two or three days [emoji6]

[AKAnderson]

Fat fingers replying to the earlier ask on Epic Pass and Verbier….

[Buster Highmen]

Would love to tell you otherwise, but you are correct. Thanks for the heads up.
Total closure of the Tauern Tunnel 2024/2025: From 18.11.2024 - 04.07.2025.
Alternative bus services will be available, but its a 3 hr trip via the A10 (Bad Gastein - Mallnitz).

Most unfortunate since that's also the easy train access to the Dolomites.

Another option is Zell am See/Kaprun/Kitzsteinhorn is 90 minutes from BG: https://www.vvt.at/page.cfm?vpath=index .

Train at 8:19 from BG gets to ZaS at 9:44. There's one at 6:19 as well. That insures high altitude access if it's warm

[banzai]

All four stations in the Gastein valley will be closed for construction/modernization as well. So you need to take the bus to Bischofshofen and then jump on the train to Kaprun and such. Source.

Disclaimer: my command of the German language boils down to danke/bitte, ein and then using my index finger to point at something and most importantly ein weissbier bitte, so take my interpretation of the PDF brochure with a grain of salt.

[Rossymcg]

Is there good terrain at Andermatt ? I can ski double Blacks at Aspen Highlands. How much is a decent suite at Basecamp Andermatt? And are Private instructors under 1000 bucks even qualified to teach my kids? I mean we had a cheap Maid once and my kids suffered severely.

did you end up having any more kids via the cheap maid? They never take the pill like they promise

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[Rossymcg]

Thanks a lot. I'll probably return with more questions at some point, but this has been really helpful so far

how long you planning on spending in the Alps?


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