ON3P SKIS Discussion

[kid-kapow]

Has anyone in here weighed a pair of newer 186 Jeffrey 108s? I just ordered a pair of the 2024s on sale that I'm stoked on but was surprised to see the listed weight at 2050g as previous years were 200g or so heaver (I think?).

They'll be doing some slackcountry duty as my daily drivers so I'm quite happy with that weight but just curious if there's any noticeable changes from previous versions?

my pair of 186s (depicted above) is roughly 2175gr +/- 30gr - measured them today.

It could be an idea to ask if they could ship you their lightest remaining pair if you want to save on the weight - there is bound to be a bit of variance. I am very satisfied to have gotten a "heavier" pair - they are still a very nice weight for their inteded use

I have obviously not skied them yet, so can't compare them to my old kartel108s, but I suspect they will have a bit more hard snow prowess due to reworked engagement zones while retaining their awesome looseness.

[BWA]

Thanks for checking, that seems more like what I'd expect weight wise, I was more just curious as 2050g is only 100g heavier than the Bibby Tours I've been using most days.

They'll be getting cast or shifts regardless so weight isn't much of a priority and I'd be happy if they came in heavier to differentiate between my other skis.

[BWA]

For anyone curious mine measured at 2100g bang on. Hand flex and weight feel super dialed for a do it all fun ski, really excited to get these on snow in a few months.

I took inspiration from Kapow's 118s and have some Raw Pivots on the way to eventually castify.

[MoeSnow]

For anyone curious mine measured at 2100g bang on. Hand flex and weight feel super dialed for a do it all fun ski, really excited to get these on snow in a few months.

I took inspiration from Kapow's 118s and have some Raw Pivots on the way to eventually castify.

This past season’s stock topsheet looks so damn good.

The whole Jeffrey lineup seems pretty dialed at this point. Whenever my current touring skis bite it I am going to order some custom Jeffs to replace them.

[snOwen]

Those 118s are looking nice. Been thinking about selling my BG116 for a while and getting some bigger Jeff’s (feel like they might be more versatile in CO) and this looks like my sign.

[MoeSnow]

Those 118s are looking nice. Been thinking about selling my BG116 for a while and getting some bigger Jeff’s (feel like they might be more versatile in CO) and this looks like my sign.

I am BG-curious and want a pair. Lmk if you’re willing to ship and what size you got


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[kid-kapow]

the new Jeff graphic is pretty bonkers. Man, i love ON3P's graphics

[FloridaSnow]

the new Jeff graphic is pretty bonkers. Man, i love ON3P's graphics

Ah a C-47. Nice update. And love the theme of drop in since that was the main plane used for paratroopers at the time. Still really love the f14 though.

[kid-kapow]

Ah a C-47. Nice update. And love the theme of drop in since that was the main plane used for paratroopers at the time. Still really love the f14 though.

I prefer the versions 23 (frankly superb graphics, especially j118s) and 25s (love them all) to the 24s, but oh well - they all look nice

I am amazed that there are still 24 J108s and J118s for sale in the most common lengths on the site. BTW - the MERICA code is still live for 50 bucks off for an amazing value - get em now or regret it later

[snOwen]

They’re 187 asym models, 116 width. I could ship for sure. I’m new to the forum so I can’t post in the swap yet, or PM you for some reason. If you’re interested though we can figure out a way to get some pics and details over your way.

[BeHuWe]

Picked up some wren 102’s. A quick search shows most mount on the line.

Question is who’s gone forward of the line and did you notice anything negative?


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[MoeSnow]

Picked up some wren 102’s. A quick search shows most mount on the line.

Question is who’s gone forward of the line and did you notice anything negative?


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I had to mount my Wren 98s a bit forward due to hole conflicts. I think I am ~2cm forward and have not had issues. I trust the factory recs. If you have questions you can always call the factory.

[sf]

Picked up some wren 102’s. A quick search shows most mount on the line.

Question is who’s gone forward of the line and did you notice anything negative?


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As in the 8-10 year old model? If so; they're not a difficult ski, but the tail is pretty traditional while the tip is pretty rockered for a 102-ski. Going forward might make the unbalanced, at least for me I would not want more tail on that ski.

If it's a newer model; disregard

[BeHuWe]

I had to mount my Wren 98s a bit forward due to hole conflicts. I think I am ~2cm forward and have not had issues. I trust the factory recs. If you have questions you can always call the factory.

As in the 8-10 year old model? If so; they're not a difficult ski, but the tail is pretty traditional while the tip is pretty rockered for a 102-ski. Going forward might make the unbalanced, at least for me I would not want more tail on that ski.

If it's a newer model; disregard

Reached out via email and they had a similar response that it could work they just prefer them mounted otl. I was just hoping to hear from somebody who actually is forward of the line and how they ski there.

It’s one of the new ones and just out of personal preference haven’t mounted a directional ski OTL in many years. I usually end up a few cm forward and get a long well there.

But like you mentioned the front rocker is very pronounced and might make all this a moot point as I have these on my bench hoping for snow in September.


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[bearcub69]

Reached out via email and they had a similar response that it could work they just prefer them mounted otl. I was just hoping to hear from somebody who actually is forward of the line and how they ski there.

It’s one of the new ones and just out of personal preference haven’t mounted a directional ski OTL in many years. I usually end up a few cm forward and get a long well there.

But like you mentioned the front rocker is very pronounced and might make all this a moot point as I have these on my bench hoping for snow in September.


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never hurts to check where center of the rocker/camber contact points and/or widest points of skis are and avoid going forward of that

some skis have big sweet spots, but I have heard Iggy say and personally feel like most on3ps ive had ski best within 2cm of the line, and I generally move my bindings forward of the line as well

anytime ive gone much further than 2cm on a pair of on3ps they felt a bit squirelly in the sidecut



unrelated but PSA/reminder to everyone to measure your skis/check those recommended mounting points. just got a new to me pair of on3ps.. not sure if they're blems or not, but the dimples are about a cm off on each ski and one ski is almost .5cm longer than the other.

[Stuntmonkey]

Oooooooh 92 Jeffs.....that is tempting as hell.

[cocoapuff]

BeHuWe,

I'd caution going more than 1cm forward on wrens, and I think that was always Scott's advice. I used to ski the 108s, latest shape, similar to 102s, at +1cm and even there it felt like a fair amount of tail in roughed up snow. Those tails are pretty square. You get a little more tail taper on the Woods...

[MoeSnow]

I am skeptical about the nay-saying regarding the forward mount. I am +2 on Wren 98s and have not found the tails to be remotely punishing. Forward mount may have made the skis more playful, I am able to nose butter them if my form is good (they are stiff). They are not the most engaging skis on-piste (long sidecut), but are damp and predictable off-piste and in moguls where I spend > 90%. They are happy to bend into tighter turn shapes in soft snow, but I have lost my edge and washed out when skiing hard-pack

It’s possible the rocker/camber profile and/or shape is different in the newer-ish 102s and none of this applies.

YMMV

[snOwen]

Anyone have insight on BG vs Jeff length? Looking to add some Jeff 116 or 118s to complement my 189 BGs and trying to decide if I should size up to a 191 or down to a 186 (my Jeff102 and WD110 are both 186). I want there to be enough of a difference between the Jeff’s and Goats to justify having both, and I’m a little worried that the longer Jeff would end up filling the same role as the BG. On the flip side though, having a powder ski in the same length as my daily also gives me pause.


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[MoeSnow]

Anyone have insight on BG vs Jeff length? Looking to add some Jeff 116 or 118s to complement my 189 BGs and trying to decide if I should size up to a 191 or down to a 186 (my Jeff102 and WD110 are both 186). I want there to be enough of a difference between the Jeff’s and Goats to justify having both, and I’m a little worried that the longer Jeff would end up filling the same role as the BG. On the flip side though, having a powder ski in the same length as my daily also gives me pause.


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Both

In all seriousness, If I were you I would get 186s since you already have BGs in a longer length. But, I think you would also like 191s. I guess it depends on what you’re prioritizing? Playfulness or beefiness?

I have not gotten on Billy Goats but do have J118 186s. They’re very easy to ski and while I think I could make the 191 length work I don’t need that much ski. Got in touch with the factory and I will demo some Billy Goats this winter. Will report back on this thread but that won’t be for a bit.

If you’re in the PDX area you would also be able to demo.

[FullStop]

Anyone have insight on BG vs Jeff length? Looking to add some Jeff 116 or 118s to complement my 189 BGs and trying to decide if I should size up to a 191 or down to a 186 (my Jeff102 and WD110 are both 186). I want there to be enough of a difference between the Jeff’s and Goats to justify having both, and I’m a little worried that the longer Jeff would end up filling the same role as the BG. On the flip side though, having a powder ski in the same length as my daily also gives me pause.


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I don't think you can go wrong either way. My Jeffs and BGTs are 186 and 187, the BGs look longer on my feet due to the mount point, but they feel quite similar in pivotability in soft snow.

If you were going to replace the BGs with Jeffs, I'd consider going 191 but 186 is probably more fitting for a complimentary ski.

Depends on what you want the ski to do I guess.

[BeHuWe]

Anyone have insight on BG vs Jeff length? Looking to add some Jeff 116 or 118s to complement my 189 BGs and trying to decide if I should size up to a 191 or down to a 186 (my Jeff102 and WD110 are both 186). I want there to be enough of a difference between the Jeff’s and Goats to justify having both, and I’m a little worried that the longer Jeff would end up filling the same role as the BG. On the flip side though, having a powder ski in the same length as my daily also gives me pause.


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In a 118 I wouldn’t think twice about sizing up. They ski very short. If I remember correctly the effective edge of my Jeff 110 186 is longer than my Jeff 118 191 and they 118 feels noticeably more nimble for being a 191


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[skuff]

In a 118 I wouldn’t think twice about sizing up. They ski very short. If I remember correctly the effective edge of my Jeff 110 186 is longer than my Jeff 118 191 and they 118 feels noticeably more nimble for being a 191


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Glad to hear the 191 skis short. Bought a pair for trees and scratching around, looking for soft snow

[cocoapuff]

Jeff 124 now stock on website

[PeachesNCream]

If you decide to go short, I’ll be selling a pair of old (in good condition) kartel 116s that you could experiment with. Not to talk myself out of a sale, but they do ski short


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