If only there was something we could do...

[m2711c]

Still waiting for you to post that texting and driving thread. Don’t you care about the children?

[nickwm21]

Are you willing to give up your cell phone?

You are making a great point. Let’s apply the same training, testing, licensing, insurance, and registration requirements for operating a motor vehicle to operating a fire arm.


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[skaredshtles]

Are you willing to give up your cell phone?

[heckacali]

Strawsparky:

A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".
The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition through the covert replacement of it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and the subsequent refutation of that false argument ("knock down a straw man"), instead of the opponent's proposition.

[k2skier112]

You care about scary looking stuff not about what actually kills 2.5 times more people.

People use that to get money out of you and votes.

Edit, there are no 300 page texting and driving are bad threads.

Do you need to take a written test and proficiency test to buy any weapon, nope. A half assed background check is all

It's not that AR15 style guns are scary looking, it's that they're designed to take down human targets, fact

[exsparky]

Strawsparky:

A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".
The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition through the covert replacement of it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and the subsequent refutation of that false argument ("knock down a straw man"), instead of the opponent's proposition.

That's a lot better response than the 5-10 ad hominin's before that. I'll leave the thread. Both sides of the coin are just making emotional pleas for your money and votes without doing anything using scary images so they can ask you for more money and votes while bigger problems exist they don't want you to look at.

Meanwhile they just pump out more cheap guns, cheap drugs, lost kids and criminals to screw up the streets.

[nickwm21]

Woooooosh


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[bennymac]

That's a lot better response than the 5-10 ad hominin's before that. I'll leave the thread. Both sides of the coin are just making emotional pleas for your money and votes without doing anything using scary images so they can ask you for more money and votes while bigger problems exist they don't want you to look at.

Meanwhile they just pump out more cheap guns, cheap drugs, lost kids and criminals to screw up the streets.

Calling your post insensitive and illogical is not an ad hominem attack. Fuck me you really suck at this (thinking logically I mean). Only in a modern society could someone like you still be alive. You shake your fist at the cushy sheltered world you live in without realizing you owe your existence to it.

[Mazderati]

Bad guy desperate to convince himself he isn't.

[::: :::]

Meanwhile they just pump out more cheap guns <snip> to screw up the streets.

Woooooosh

right?

and over in the guns thread, there's a nonchalant discussion of which suppressor...

[k2skier112]

Every year, half a million weapons enter Mexico illegally from the U.S., and many of them are military-style weapons that end up in the hands of drug cartels and other violent criminals
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...u-s-to-mexico/

In 2021, Mexico filed an unprecedented lawsuit against U.S. weapons manufacturers and a firearms distributor in the District Court in Boston, the first suit filed by a foreign government against the U.S. gun industry. The lawsuit names gun manufacturers such as Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, Colt’s Manufacturing Company, Smith & Wesson Brands, Glock, Beretta, and Century International Arms and aims to hold them responsible for facilitating the flow of weapons across the border.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/10/24...cking-lawsuit/

[JimmyCarter]

Bad guy desperate to convince himself he isn't.

[TStriker]

Strawsparky:

A straw man fallacy

It's two for one day, because it's also a textbook red herring. "Guns? This other completely unrelated thing kills way more people than guns! Why isn’t anyone talking about that?"

[Meadow Skipper]

exsparky’s post was incredibly, magnificently, stunningly, unbelievably, spectacularly stupid.

You care about scary looking stuff not about what actually kills 2.5 times more people.

People use that to get money out of you and votes.

Edit, there are no 300 page texting and driving are bad threads.

Did you read, really read my post about your intellectual shortcomings? I don’t think so.

[Meadow Skipper]

You are making a great point. Let’s apply the same training, testing, licensing, insurance, and registration requirements for operating a motor vehicle to operating a fire arm.

There you go. Whaddya say, exsparky?

[jackstraw]

Every year, half a million weapons enter Mexico illegally from the U.S., and many of them are military-style weapons that end up in the hands of drug cartels and other violent criminals
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...u-s-to-mexico/

In 2021, Mexico filed an unprecedented lawsuit against U.S. weapons manufacturers and a firearms distributor in the District Court in Boston, the first suit filed by a foreign government against the U.S. gun industry. The lawsuit names gun manufacturers such as Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, Colt’s Manufacturing Company, Smith & Wesson Brands, Glock, Beretta, and Century International Arms and aims to hold them responsible for facilitating the flow of weapons across the border.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/10/24...cking-lawsuit/

And...the bottom line corp $$$$$. Supported by the backwoods boys who love their toys.

And honestly, most likely every gun loving mag in this place is probably a responsible gun owner and I get why they defend their position. It sucks to be one of them. I'd be bummed if I was gun guy. I'd have to make the tough decision to drop it and become anti-gun/2nd guy. But at the very least I would certainly be proactive with supporting more strict rules and regulations for the gunz...and we know several mags are, and again it seems the gun lobbies drive this for the love of $$$$$. They are the true evil here.

[JimmyCarter]

[Mazderati]

And...the bottom line corp $$$$$. Supported by the backwoods boys who love their toys.

And honestly, most likely every gun loving mag in this place is probably a responsible gun owner and I get why they defend their position. It sucks to be one of them. I'd be bummed if I was gun guy. I'd have to make the tough decision to drop it and become anti-gun/2nd guy. But at the very least I would certainly be proactive with supporting more strict rules and regulations for the gunz...and we know several mags are, and again it seems the gun lobbies drive this for the love of $$$$$. They are the true evil here.

Anyone buying guns, ammo, or anything to do with guns and ammo is feeding the gun lobby.

[::: :::]

Anyone buying guns, ammo, or anything to do with guns and ammo is feeding the gun lobby.

Anyone voting to loosen gun regulation is feeding the problem too


What's ironic is all the ramped up fervor and attention around 2a, tying guns to tribes and political movements, is what is going to sink it eventually.

The utter lack of promoting ANY kind of responsible regulation by gun owners themselves is what is going to sink the 2A eventually.

We've seen the graphs of increased purchasing and the subsequent data on where the most gun violence occurs. We didn't have the numbers of stupid killings 50yrs ago. The way to go back to that (meaning having guns without serious problems [vs banning them]) is to go back to not fetishizing and not politicizing firearms and allowing public safety to determine appropriate firearm use.

Doubling down on the stupidity will create a demise & self-own more spectacular than any regulatory proposal currently.

And the gun nuts will only have themselves to blame. They have the power to end this stupidity, but they are too entrenched to see that they can manage it another way. They think they're winning, but they're just digging their own metaphorical graves.

[basinbeater]

And the gun nuts will only have themselves to blame. They have the power to end this stupidity, but they are too entrenched to see that they can manage it another way. They think they're winning, but they're just digging their own metaphorical graves.

And the graves of innocent people.

[::: :::]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/05/u...smid=url-share

California Man Arrested After Shooting Spree Kills at Least 80 Animals
The hourslong episode in the middle of the night triggered a shelter-in-place order in Monterey County. One official described the scene as “horrible.”

A bloody shooting spree in California this week left at least 80 animals dead and sent neighbors fleeing to safety in the middle of the night, the authorities said.

A man, Vicente Joseph Arroyo of Salinas, was taken into custody after he fired multiple weapons in a vineyard in Prunedale over a three-hour period on Tuesday, the Monterey County Sheriff’s Office said in a news release. Prunedale is an unincorporated community in Monterey County, about 100 miles south of San Francisco.

Just before 3:30 a.m. on Tuesday, the sheriff’s office responded to calls of multiple shots being fired, and soon issued a shelter-in-place order for residents within a five-mile radius.

[k2skier112]

It's two for one day, because it's also a textbook red herring. "Guns? This other completely unrelated thing kills way more people than guns! Why isn’t anyone talking about that?"

Guns are weapons, full stop

These other "killy" things are not weapons, fact

[jackstraw]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/05/u...smid=url-share

Salinas is about an hour away from me and known as a wee bit rough around the edges, so this isn't that shocking.

[gravitylover]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/05/u...smid=url-share

Dude is fukt up

[J. Barron DeJong]

About 50% of that tweet(?) is bullshit.
- The threats by the kid on a gaming site last year could not be substantiated by law enforcement

- Dad told LE he had hunting arms, but the kid did not have access. To me, that implies dad did not have an AR-15. My guess is cops asked to see the guns and went away satisfied. And if dad lied, he’s in deep shit too.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09...smid=url-share

Still a fucked up situation.

https://x.com/natashabertrand/status...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

And to clarify my previous post: When I said ‘every fucking time’ I didn’t mean parents provided the guns every time, but that every time they do provide them (or didn’t adequately prevent their kid from getting their hands one them) they should be held responsible.


ETA:



https://bsky.app/profile/chrislhayes.../3l3gxpyvuxn26