If only there was something we could do...

[Meadow Skipper]

Surgeon General Declares Gun Violence a Public Health Crisis

Dr. Vivek Murthy is calling for a multipronged effort to reduce gun deaths, modeled on campaigns against smoking and traffic fatalities.

[leroy jenkins]

Leroy called me a poopie head. Waaw Waaw

I thought you were going to get me banned if I said anything else about your wife? Turns out you can't get me banned can you? Turns out threatening people into doing what you want kind of backfires and makes them do the opposite huh? Especially when your threats are toothless self important delusion.

[leroy jenkins]

His “fundamental belief” isn’t moderate.
He is intransigent on ANY regulation of firearms - how is that anything but hardline?
(At least that’s what he posts in here…maybe he’s less of an asshole irl like the rest of us)

Now I am. You guys have convinced me pretty well not to compromise on guns. But the anti gun ideas floated in this thread are still VERY radical. They are in no way moderate or common.

[leroy jenkins]

Any normal person on this forum knew it was a joke, no one cares enough about you to actually care about your well being.

Tell us more about how a normal sane person calls an old man’s wife a whore and that they spread diseases


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So accusing me of 'vieled threats' is a joke? How is that a joke? Cus to me, it seems like a pretty sincere attempt to accuse me of that. Its baseless, you can't find any evidence, but you're still going to go around saying that shit because you're a manipulative person who wants to have control over others. Its your fantasy.

[leroy jenkins]

Leroy says in an old post in this thread that he’s not calling us stupid crazy for disagreeing with him and then recently calls us stupid crazy for disagreeing with him.




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Yea, I used to take some of you people somewhat seriously and attempt to interact with you in good faith under the assumption you guys actually wanted to talk about solutions to problems and not just fantasize about bad things happening to gun owners.

I don't any more. I done learnt.

[::: :::]

But the anti gun ideas floated in this thread are still VERY radical. They are in no way moderate or common.

That’s just it; they aren’t. And in many cases they represent values that Americans used to carry 40 yrs ago before guns became political talismans

[Buster Highmen]

That’s just it; they aren’t. And in many cases they represent values that Americans used to carry 40 yrs ago before guns became political talismans

See the poll above for a contemporary sample. And this from a group that is likely slightly laissez faire about guns.

Background checks and registration are supported by over 60% of respondents here; 40-% support for banning automatics also fits the definition of common.

With regard to leroys posts, I mostly object to the broad, inaccurate, sweeping generalizations about the issue at hand as well as those people and principles with which he disagrees. That and constant unimaginative relaying the debunked NRA talking points.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

So accusing me of 'vieled threats' is a joke? How is that a joke? Cus to me, it seems like a pretty sincere attempt to accuse me of that. Its baseless, you can't find any evidence, but you're still going to go around saying that shit because you're a manipulative person who wants to have control over others. Its your fantasy.

Saying that something innocuous like that, directed at you, might have serious legal consequences is a veiled threat.


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[frorider]

That’s just it; they aren’t. And in many cases they represent values that Americans used to carry 40 yrs ago before guns became political talismans

Agree, but a gentle reminder that this basic fact has been explained to LJ many times in this thread but he still carries on, impervious to facts or common sense.

I have never put anyone on ‘ignore’ but really there’s no need IME; my reading algorithm has learned to just skim or skip over his posts. They’re irrelevant. Years ago I realized I was doing the same thing with Steepconcrete’s nonsense.

[Meadow Skipper]

Agree, but a gentle reminder that this basic fact has been explained to LJ many times in this thread but he still carries on, impervious to facts or common sense.

Kid’s broken on some level. Unless he’s amusing just move on.

[leroy jenkins]

Kid’s broken on some level. Unless he’s amusing just move on.

I'm cringe but its completely normal for magnificent unicorn to repeatedly, completely seriously, make completely unfounded accusations againstme of fantasizing about violence, and making violent threats against others? Thats normal?

Nah, normal sane people don't try to distort reality and gaslight people like that, especially about things that could carry legal consequences.

Yea, thats some crazy people shit. You're not crazy for disagreeing with me, I have friends who are anti gun who are smart reasonable people, butyou're crazy for doing crazy people stuff.


You called me an asshole in this thread before I anything the tiniest bit disrespectful to anyone. Just because I disagreed with you. Nothing more.

[leroy jenkins]

Saying that something innocuous like that, directed at you, might have serious legal consequences is a veiled threat.


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Hahahahah.. SO my 'veiled threat' is legal action if you do something illegal to harm me? I was actually talking about the fact it could have legal consequences FOR me, but yea, if you were to engage in behavior that met the legal definition of doxing and harassment, I would take action. That isn't a threat.


The only thing that makes trying to paint someone as potentially violent, fantasizing about violence, and making threats to others, innocuous, is that no one would take you seriously. The intent and desire is there, and not innocuous.

This is who you are, someone who fantasizes about sicking the cops on someone who doesn't agree with you. It wasn't a joke, you can't say it was a joke truthfully, you'll just claim its 'innocuous' despite being not a joke.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I’ve no problem saying it was a joke because I live in the real world.

Again, I’ve never posted anything about you fantasizing about violence so please stop posting that. Furthermore, making a joke about a wellness check on a mentally unstable person that led to an actual wellness check would have consequences for me not you in the real world if I were actually trying to dox you.

Your mental gymnastics when it comes to reality is really impressive, as it’s been pointed out many times in this thread. If everyone thinks you’re crazy there’s probably some truth and it might be worth some self reflection


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[Buster Highmen]

Tangent, skewed, possibly orthogonal, but I thought this was interesting (I copied the url after a bunch of preamble)

https://youtu.be/oDdssTQG6Vc?t=671 .

David Brooks observes the rise of authoritarianism, loneliness and an overall gloom worldwide to be a function of a lack of a sense of community, a growing isolationism. An absence of feeling common bonds, mores or culture and an unbounded growth of hyper individualism.

I think it's interesting to view that in the context of the privatization of moralities as Brooks says. And this thread is symbolic of that. Some argue for the common good, the safety of society as a whole. Others argue for individual rights and protections.


... I come across a video and it's an interview with James Baldwin and he gave the interview sometime it looked from the black and white images it looked like the early 60s now Baldwin was a guy who was horribly mistreated by his Society because of the color of his skin and because of his sexual orientation and that guy had a right to feel bitter and hatred he had to the right to sink into the enmity that drive so much of our politics but in this interview he says you know there's not as much Humanity as you would like in the world but there's enough there's more than you would think and then he says you've got to remember as you walk down the street every single person you meet that could be you you could be that person you could be that Saint you could be that monster and you've got to decide
who you're going to be and so he could have calloused over as I said said but instead he had this mentality I could be that person I may like them I may not like them I that could be me ...

... the phrase that leap to mind as I was listening to this little 60 Minute or 60-second clip was defiant humanism that even in brutal times when a lot of our political opponents are brutal and monstrous and frankly authoritarian that perversely and paradoxically the way to reut them is to be more human is to touch the things that really we do need to solve our souls and to emphasize the deepest parts of our nature thank you very [Applause]


Another good segment on observing the behavior of our disagreements: https://youtu.be/oDdssTQG6Vc?t=2651

For me, the TRgeez provides a sense of community, since, at least for me, la vie moderne is intensely isolating with the exception of maggot summits, under whatever label.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Yeah, the idea that individual rights trump the greater good for society is cognitive dissonance at best. There is no divine mandate that we have individual freedoms, society decides that.

I say to hell with the constitution and bill of rights, it’s archaic and nothing is static.

As far as community goes, I find it in the place I live. Sure you can find common ground on the internet but it’s not really comparable to building or joining the community that you live in.


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[Buster Highmen]

So, the bit about listening and imagining yourself as another person is immaterial.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

No, I try and do that all the time. It’s a little difficult when it’s someone on the internet that you’ve never met irl. Thanks for assuming though. I figured that trying to see another person’s point of view was a given, especially as we mature and gain perspective. I guess not everyone sees the world objectively.


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[leroy jenkins]

I’ve no problem saying it was a joke because I live in the real world.

Again, I’ve never posted anything about you fantasizing about violence so please stop posting that. Furthermore, making a joke about a wellness check on a mentally unstable person that led to an actual wellness check would have consequences for me not you in the real world if I were actually trying to dox you.

Your mental gymnastics when it comes to reality is really impressive, as it’s been pointed out many times in this thread. If everyone thinks you’re crazy there’s probably some truth and it might be worth some self reflection


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Yes you have, You've said multiple times, with no irony, that I fantasize about civil war and you have proof, when you have none. Stop lying crazy man.

[leroy jenkins]

Yeah, the idea that individual rights trump the greater good for society is cognitive dissonance at best. There is no divine mandate that we have individual freedoms, society decides that.

I say to hell with the constitution and bill of rights, it’s archaic and nothing is static.

As far as community goes, I find it in the place I live. Sure you can find common ground on the internet but it’s not really comparable to building or joining the community that you live in.


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Yet every society that decides collective rights trump individual rights is either highly dysfunctional with sky high suicide rates, or just becomes authoritarian. Individual rights are collective rights. The reverse is not true.

Thank you for admitting you dont believe in the entire bill of rights, and are just authoritarian by nature. Makes this a lot simpler.

[leroy jenkins]

He has written here that he is not interested in compromise. That’s not moderate. There’s nothing moderate about him, at least as far as guns.

Edit: https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...70#post6789770

You guys have all also said you're not interested in compromise. Compromise to you is gun owners giving up their righst, and you not compromising.

What are you willing to give up? Nothing right? got it.

[leroy jenkins]

Tangent, skewed, possibly orthogonal, but I thought this was interesting (I copied the url after a bunch of preamble)

https://youtu.be/oDdssTQG6Vc?t=671 .

David Brooks observes the rise of authoritarianism, loneliness and an overall gloom worldwide to be a function of a lack of a sense of community, a growing isolationism. An absence of feeling common bonds, mores or culture and an unbounded growth of hyper individualism.

I think it's interesting to view that in the context of the privatization of moralities as Brooks says. And this thread is symbolic of that. Some argue for the common good, the safety of society as a whole. Others argue for individual rights and protections.


... I come across a video and it's an interview with James Baldwin and he gave the interview sometime it looked from the black and white images it looked like the early 60s now Baldwin was a guy who was horribly mistreated by his Society because of the color of his skin and because of his sexual orientation and that guy had a right to feel bitter and hatred he had to the right to sink into the enmity that drive so much of our politics but in this interview he says you know there's not as much Humanity as you would like in the world but there's enough there's more than you would think and then he says you've got to remember as you walk down the street every single person you meet that could be you you could be that person you could be that Saint you could be that monster and you've got to decide
who you're going to be and so he could have calloused over as I said said but instead he had this mentality I could be that person I may like them I may not like them I that could be me ...

... the phrase that leap to mind as I was listening to this little 60 Minute or 60-second clip was defiant humanism that even in brutal times when a lot of our political opponents are brutal and monstrous and frankly authoritarian that perversely and paradoxically the way to reut them is to be more human is to touch the things that really we do need to solve our souls and to emphasize the deepest parts of our nature thank you very [Applause]


Another good segment on observing the behavior of our disagreements: https://youtu.be/oDdssTQG6Vc?t=2651

For me, the TRgeez provides a sense of community, since, at least for me, la vie moderne is intensely isolating with the exception of maggot summits, under whatever label.

What kind of mental gymnastics is this man? Authoritarianism is individualistic? No its inherently collectivist. there is some truth here in that more isolated people are more easily controlled, but thats isolation, not individualistic.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Yes you have, You've said multiple times, with no irony, that I fantasize about civil war and you have proof, when you have none. Stop lying crazy man.

No I have not. Kindly cease and desist with your lies. I’m not multiverse.


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[Buster Highmen]

You misunderstand.

Privatizing morals leave the society freaked and the authoritarians pray (sic) on that. I think it's an excellent argument.

[Meadow Skipper]

You guys have all also said you're not interested in compromise. Compromise to you is gun owners giving up their righst, and you not compromising.

What are you willing to give up? Nothing right? got it.

Show me where I wrote I wasn’t interested in compromise, you fucking liar.

Leroy is a liar.

[leroy jenkins]

Show me where I wrote I wasn’t interested in compromise, you fucking liar.

Leroy is a liar.

ok so youre not saying you're interested in compromise at all. You're just criticizing me for not being interested in compromise. Totally makes sense now.

I wasn't lying, i just gave you the benefit of a doubt of assuming SOME level of accountability rather than just PURE hypocrisy. I know now I was very wrong to do so.

"Compromise' means you just get everything you want and control over others and they just smile?