50 years to the day

[J. Barron DeJong]

https://x.com/arictoler/status/17143...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

The video that was deleted from the IDF statement tweet was from 8:00.

[MultiVerse]

Other videos like Al Jazaeera mentioned above show the explosion happened around 7:00 PM local time so the two times match other than the hour. Perhaps the clock in one vid is off by an hour due to daylight savings or time zone, etc hence the confusion.

Raw footage showing misfired rocket and explosion at ~18:59. The timing matches up:

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1714403025136017784

[J. Barron DeJong]

Other videos like Al Jazaeera mentioned above show the explosion happened around 7:00 PM local time so the two times match other than the hour. Perhaps the clock in one vid is off by an hour due to daylight savings or time zone, etc hence the confusion.

Yeah, could be.

[Cono Este]

Was it one of the home made rockets? Or one of the gps guided smart bombs?

Hmmm

[MultiVerse]

It's an unmitigated debacle for the media and for the Israeli online response because of the damage done to diplomatic talks. King Abdullah of Jordan and PA President Mahmoud Abbas, who said yesterday "Hamas' Actions Don't Represent Palestinians," canceled their scheduled meeting with Biden.

[MontuckyFried]

Do the time stamps REALLY matter all that much? The hospital's was a target for a reason. Because Hamas is hanging out there. That's what they do. That's what they've always done. Once again, jihadi terrorists playing the imbeciles in the West like a goddam fiddle.

[boltonoutlaw]

Early reports of US Embassy in Beirut being attacked. Looking for second source

[ex-powderbroker]

Do the time stamps REALLY matter all that much? The hospital's was a target for a reason. Because Hamas is hanging out there. That's what they do. That's what they've always done. Once again, jihadi terrorists playing the imbeciles in the West like a goddam fiddle.

a misfire is much different than an attack by Israel.

Early reports of US Embassy in Beirut being attacked. Looking for second source

or not

[boltonoutlaw]

[J. Barron DeJong]

a misfire is much different than an attack by Israel.

Exactly.

Whether you like it or not, it’s going to matter if that rocket came from Israel or Palestine.

And the fact that they pulled the original video is now going to make it harder for Israel to convince everyone that it came from Palestine, if indeed it did.

(I’m leaning pretty far towards it did.)

[Cono Este]

It's an unmitigated debacle for the media and for the Israeli online response because of the damage done to diplomatic talks. King Abdullah of Jordan and PA President Mahmoud Abbas, who said yesterday "Hamas' Actions Don't Represent Palestinians," canceled their scheduled meeting with Biden.

The way things are reported now, and disseminated instantly, it does not really matter if the initial claim is later proven false.

And if it was, we’d be hearing how Islamic jihadists we’re now only firing in self defense.

[ex-powderbroker]

Exactly.

Whether you like it or not, it’s going to matter if that rocket came from Israel or Palestine.

And the fact that they pulled the original video is now going to make it harder for Israel to convince everyone that it came from Palestine, if indeed it did.

(I’m leaning pretty far towards it did.)

https://x.com/GeoConfirmed/status/17...935851272?s=20


the blast was so big, there must have been a munitions depot there.

that’s just my speculation, but it seems bigger than most of what i’ve seen pal rockets do and they’re well known for using hospitals for military purposes.

[J. Barron DeJong]

The way things are reported now, and disseminated instantly, it does not really matter if the initial claim is later proven false.

And if it was, we’d be hearing how Islamic jihadists were now only firing in self defense.

Meetings between state leaders have been called off based on initial reports, so they seem to have mattered.

[J. Barron DeJong]

https://x.com/shashj/status/17144085...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

[summit]

A missile event the size shown in the video would not be missed by SBIRS-Low. But what you get from that initiating is a launch point, an energy signature characterizing the likely missile type, and probably a rough arc of potential impact points.

But you don't need that. We could just say it without releasing anything about where it came from.

And the truth is probably you don't need MWC to make a statement that we saw it with a sat.

There is almost certainly multiple air defense radar tracks of this target probably from multiple countries.

Israel is fucking TINY. Like, New Jersey.

And sadly it doesn't matter... Islamic Jihad missed their target and manage to still sink the peace effort

[MultiVerse]

Do the time stamps REALLY matter all that much? The hospital's was a target for a reason. Because Hamas is hanging out there. That's what they do. That's what they've always done. Once again, jihadi terrorists playing the imbeciles in the West like a goddam fiddle.

Bombing a hospital with medical personnel & patients in it and without warning is a war crime. If the hospital is evacuated of medical personnel then the rules of any other structure apply. Putin and Assad routinely strike hospitals without warning. They hit a hospital and afterwards hit it again targeting rescuers & responders. They've attacked more than 700 hospitals over the past decade in Syria & Ukraine. It's monstrous enough when it happens incidentally. It's evil when it becomes intentional & routine.


Israel says there's recorded chatter between Hamas and/or Palestinian Jihadi discussing the failed missile. There's also radar footage showing a barrage of missiles launched in Gaza with the hospital under their flight path.


Related to the American visit tomorrow, there's video of Scholz and the German entourage running & hitting the ground today at Ben Gurion Airport in Israel in response to a missile raid.

[MontuckyFried]

Bombing a hospital with medical personnel & patients in it and without warning is a war crime.

Not when the enemy is intentionally hiding behind civilians. Again, READ THE ARTICLES OF THE GENEVA CONVENTION!!!

If it is SOLELY used for treating people, then yes, that would be a war crime. BUT, the second that an enemy decides to use it to hide munitions, use it to place non-injured/sick troops, or pretty much ANY kind of operation outside of doing actual hospital stuff, then the hospital loses its protection status as per the rules of the Geneva Conventions, and it becomes an acceptable military target.

Only the REAL bad guys hide behind civilians like Hamas, ISIS, and the rest of the jihadi butt smears do. Again, they know how to play our fragile Western sympathies quite well.

[LongShortLong]

IDF telling lies and getting caught. Makes you wonder how many lies go right by, when only the western media watches. I'm happy to hear that western media rooms are seeing some conflict about their biased coverage. It's unlikely Israel will find peace without admitting some truths.

[summit]

Not when the enemy is intentionally hiding behind civilians. Again, READ THE ARTICLES OF THE GENEVA CONVENTION!!!

If it is SOLELY used for treating people, then yes, that would be a war crime. BUT, the second that an enemy decides to use it to hide munitions, use it to place non-injured/sick troops, or pretty much ANY kind of operation outside of doing actual hospital stuff, then the hospital loses its protection status as per the rules of the Geneva Conventions, and it becomes an acceptable military target.

Only the REAL bad guys hide behind civilians like Hamas, ISIS, and the rest of the jihadi butt smears do. Again, they know how to play our fragile Western sympathies quite well.

It has been a normal tactic for Hamas for over 20 years. They store rockets in hospitals. They use hospitals as tunnel terminuses for terrorist infiltration teams, and they base command control at hospitals. If they get their people killed, they earned them tickets to Paradise and made Israel look bad, so Hamas sees it as a win-win.

Anyway, the shitty, cheap, and often improvised missiles that Islamic Jihad and Hamas fire at Israeli civilians have VERY high failure rates. There have been barrages where 20% fall on Gazan territory! Again, this is a win-win for the terrorists anyone who dies goes to paradise as a martyr, plus they can blame Israel! Based on the vids I watched, that is what happened with the hospital tragedy.

[east or bust]

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[ex-powderbroker]

Al Jazeera reported it and everyone took it from there even before Israel asked themselves if they’d done it.

[J. Barron DeJong]

https://x.com/marquardta/status/1714...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

Doesn’t really clear anything up.

[summit]

[summit]

Oh look, Hamas LIED about the hospital to raise hatred and disrupt the peace talks.

No bomb craters. No airstrike. No 500 dead. The hospital parking is damaged by falling Islamic Jihad rocket debris.


https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...25590873575600
@Osinttechnical
"And we now have footage of the (partially) burnt-out parking lot at the Ahli Hospital in Gaza.

Overall damage to the structures in the complex appears to be limited, a clay-tiled awning adjacent to the parking lot is still mostly intact."

Distinct lack of major blast overpressure damage.

[Cono Este]

No way summit, those home made pipe rockets never misfire. It was the Zionists!

They better start the ground war soon, the media is getting impatient, I think Erin Burnett has a Gala at the Met to get to.

So disgusting.