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    50 years to the day

    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Not at all. I deleted before he posted his response. I knew he would read it and intended it as a joke, not to add to the discussion. As far as "binary brained" goes you really don't know what you're talking about.
    Does disingenuous warmonger douchebag work better?

    You and summit should blow each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Not at all. I deleted before he posted his response. I knew he would read it and intended it as a joke, not to add to the discussion. As for "binary brained," you haven''t been paying attention.
    No worries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cono Este View Post
    Hey man, my grandad flew that raid. He said they started it when asked about it.

    Too bad they’re not fighting any kind of legitimate military, and the legitimate targets are beneath the ground and city.

    All this shit should have been dealt with when Hamas took over. Instead we built an iron dome, some walls, and told Israelis to live with it. The bleeding heart NGO’s didn’t help either.
    Yeah, I know there’s debate around the morals of Dresden, whether it was strategic, etc. That’s why I said ‘what most people think’ when they hear Dresden, which is just carpet bombing of a city without regard for civilians, or maybe even with the specific intent of killing civilians.

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    You’re downright giddy in the Ukraine thread and here. I’m not quoting all your posts.

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    Let's see an example then, troll? It's ok to admit you're wrong. Me making your argument back on page four of this thread:


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    Haaretz Blames Netanyah: “The disaster that befell Israel on the holiday of Simchat Torah is the clear responsibility of one person: Benjamin Netanyahu.”

    “The prime minister, who has prided himself on his vast political experience and irreplaceable wisdom in security matters, completely failed to identify the dangers he was consciously leading Israel into when establishing a government of annexation and dispossession, when appointing Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir to key positions, while embracing a foreign policy that openly ignored the existence and rights of Palestinians.”
    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/edit...f-6bfd1c880000

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Let's see an example then, troll?
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    I’m not quoting all your posts.
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    I knew Gaza was densely populated, but I don’t recall seeing the actual number (maybe I have, but forgot):

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong View Post
    Too much to comment on since I was away!

    Two things:

    I believe mcphee stated my position as being any bombing of Gaza would be a war crime. (Apologies if I have the wrong person, or misstating.) That isn’t my position. Indiscriminate bombing, a la Dresden (or at least what most people think of when they hear Dresden) is probably a war crime (probably because I haven’t gone to verify the law here), but even if not a war crime, I’d personally consider that immoral.

    But if it’s a legitimate strategic military target, then that gets into the decision process that was detailed in the thread from the Israeli soldier that I posted. I believe in that case it’s not necessarily a war crime (though again, haven’t checked the law) even if there is an expectation that civilians will be killed.

    The second thing is: once again today I find myself on the same side as Rod. Weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong View Post
    Yeah, I know there’s debate around the morals of Dresden, whether it was strategic, etc. That’s why I said ‘what most people think’ when they hear Dresden, which is just carpet bombing of a city without regard for civilians, or maybe even with the specific intent of killing civilians.
    Real war, rarely makes sense. They blew shit out of my granddads house, so when over targets, he’d toss a broken brick from the house out the window.

    These things spin out of control fast. I’ll probably regret my feelings now, as justified as they are, as much as we’ll regret not working something out in Ukraine sooner, as justified as that was. one more shoe drops and we’re in serious trouble.

    I started to think back to 2007, Obama, arab spring, Isis Ukraine, etc then I realized, 2001, and fucking Bush started the entire mess. He was the worst, hands down

    Something will change our trajectory, not sure we’ll like it.

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    I'm not sure what you mean by trajectory? This is what the multipolar world looked like before post-war America. Before the invasion of Iraq, as hard as it is to see from the vantage point of our lifetimes the world experienced a relatively long peace. Historians actually call this era the "Long Peace" because historically countries were routinely snuffed out of existence every few years by regional and major powers. WWII was a continuation of fighting in Europe, not an isolated event.

    Iraq was the U.S. starting a war, not interceding to stop one. And post-Iraq the U.S. refused to intervene when strongman politics in other countries took over. Opposite sides of the same coin. That's what the international rules based order was meant to stop. This was posted several times in the Ukraine thread and it's worth a watch not only in the context of the Russian invasion, which is an inversion of the rules based order, but also the Israel-Palestine conflict:



    When so many simmering conflicts go hot, it’s not just coincidence.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Peace
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    2 million people, starving and without water. Living in a place they cannot leave. Ordered to leave or die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean by trajectory? This is what the multipolar world looked like before post-war America. Before the invasion of Iraq, as hard as it is to see from the vantage point of our lifetimes the world experienced a relatively long peace. Historians actually call this era the "Long Peace" because historically countries were routinely snuffed out of existence every few years by regional and major powers. WWII was a continuation of fighting in Europe, not an isolated event.

    Iraq was the U.S. starting a war, not interceding to stop one. And post-Iraq the U.S. refused to intervene when strongman politics in other countries took over. Opposite sides of the same coin. That's what the international rules based order was meant to stop. This was posted several times in the Ukraine thread and it's worth a watch not only in the context of the Russian invasion, which is an inversion of the rules based order, but also the Israel-Palestine conflict:



    When so many simmering conflicts go hot, it’s not just coincidence.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Peace

    Iraq speaks for itself. Like I said before, Iran should have been the priority.

    I’m talking about mostly about whatever led to rise of Isis, Hamas the effects of the Arab spring, lots mistakes now in my opinion, by 44. Even Ukraine, kicking the can down the road and simultaneously killing the wrong people. You’re smarter than me, just seems like a mess.

    Two carriers now?I think our entire mideast policy is about to go down the tubes.

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    Great video on what the IDF is up against with the Hamas tunnels. You can see where all our money went. Probably the biggest net work ever made.

    https://youtu.be/RhQvILxOoEg?si=VZ-kUqr-nEOR4NVk


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    From Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories:

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    Hamas President and leader praises Egypt for not opening the border to Gazans who want to escape the war zone:


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    He says that grom the comfort of living in Qatar. Fucker is a millionaire that charges a 20% tax on all items entering the Gaza Strip. Many of his family members have received special treatment in Israeli hospitals. He’s just as guilty of not more guilty for any civilian deaths in Gaza as are the IDF. It’s really quite amazing the amount horrible leadership in the Muslim world. Almost every major political figure is extremely corrupt, wealthy and keeps the majority of their country living under in a police state.

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    A Middle East history since Ottomans. I.e. the war period. I.e. the last century. Probably the next century.
    I come away with a much better understanding of all the conflicts there in my lifetime.
    40 minutes. Posted 3 months ago. Channel is RealLifeLore


    My summary:
    The Ottomans suppressed ethnic tensions. With the post-WW1 dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, latent ethnic tensions became inflamed. Additionally, about half the world's oil, a primary resource necessary for war-making, was subsequently discovered in the region. So, without an outside master, the locals have reasons to fight. And oil creates more reasons. Oil brings the interest of every nation with global power ambition.

    Video covers who did what when, where the ethnicities are, and where the oil is. Creator sorta points to bad borders drawn 100 years ago, but shows clearly that's one issue among many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cono Este View Post
    Great video on what the IDF is up against with the Hamas tunnels. You can see where all our money went. Probably the biggest net work ever made.

    https://youtu.be/RhQvILxOoEg?si=VZ-kUqr-nEOR4NVk

    This is likely a stupid idea and wouldn't work....BUT Gaza is on the ocean. Can they find entrances to the tunnel systems and pump millions of gallons of sea water into the tunnel system?

    Obviously, they are not all connected to each and maybe the ground isn't porous enough for seepage between the tunnel systems...but just a random idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gretch6364 View Post
    This is likely a stupid idea and wouldn't work....BUT Gaza is on the ocean. Can they find entrances to the tunnel systems and pump millions of gallons of sea water into the tunnel system?

    Obviously, they are not all connected to each and maybe the ground isn't porous enough for seepage between the tunnel systems...but just a random idea.
    I bet here a 1000 miles of tunnels. Decades worth. Everything is done beneath ground. Where all the money went. They’ll bring in heavy equipment, engineers etc. they’ll be guys still down there In 10:yrs, like a rising sun soldier in the jungle.

    I’ll get shit for this, but you can’t ever let the terrorists, take that land back. IDF will lose allot of men. They didn’t want to do this, but their hand was forced. Same as it was in previous war, and why they kept land. Something not taught at Berkeley.

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    50 years to the day

    1000s of miles of tunnels, in a stretch of land 25 miles long by 5 miles wide. Yeah I guess it’s possible.

    I’m confused, Cono pleads for peace and thirsts for blood.

    Nice little jab at the libs in Berkeley, you owned them for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by riser4 View Post
    Holy shit. That guy should be forced to chew off his own fingers.

    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn View Post
    1000s of miles of tunnels, in a stretch of land 25 miles long by 5 miles wide. Yeah I guess it’s possible.
    Given that there are multiple levels I'd say it's definitely possible. It never ceases to amaze me how small Gaza is.

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