Yeah, I know there’s debate around the morals of Dresden, whether it was strategic, etc. That’s why I said ‘what most people think’ when they hear Dresden, which is just carpet bombing of a city without regard for civilians, or maybe even with the specific intent of killing civilians.
You’re downright giddy in the Ukraine thread and here. I’m not quoting all your posts.
I knew Gaza was densely populated, but I don’t recall seeing the actual number (maybe I have, but forgot):
https://x.com/mattyglesias/status/17...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg
Real war, rarely makes sense. They blew shit out of my granddads house, so when over targets, he’d toss a broken brick from the house out the window.
These things spin out of control fast. I’ll probably regret my feelings now, as justified as they are, as much as we’ll regret not working something out in Ukraine sooner, as justified as that was. one more shoe drops and we’re in serious trouble.
I started to think back to 2007, Obama, arab spring, Isis Ukraine, etc then I realized, 2001, and fucking Bush started the entire mess. He was the worst, hands down
Something will change our trajectory, not sure we’ll like it.
I'm not sure what you mean by trajectory? This is what the multipolar world looked like before post-war America. Before the invasion of Iraq, as hard as it is to see from the vantage point of our lifetimes the world experienced a relatively long peace. Historians actually call this era the "Long Peace" because historically countries were routinely snuffed out of existence every few years by regional and major powers. WWII was a continuation of fighting in Europe, not an isolated event.
Iraq was the U.S. starting a war, not interceding to stop one. And post-Iraq the U.S. refused to intervene when strongman politics in other countries took over. Opposite sides of the same coin. That's what the international rules based order was meant to stop. This was posted several times in the Ukraine thread and it's worth a watch not only in the context of the Russian invasion, which is an inversion of the rules based order, but also the Israel-Palestine conflict:
When so many simmering conflicts go hot, it’s not just coincidence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Peace
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2 million people, starving and without water. Living in a place they cannot leave. Ordered to leave or die.
Iraq speaks for itself. Like I said before, Iran should have been the priority.
I’m talking about mostly about whatever led to rise of Isis, Hamas the effects of the Arab spring, lots mistakes now in my opinion, by 44. Even Ukraine, kicking the can down the road and simultaneously killing the wrong people. You’re smarter than me, just seems like a mess.
Two carriers now?I think our entire mideast policy is about to go down the tubes.
Great video on what the IDF is up against with the Hamas tunnels. You can see where all our money went. Probably the biggest net work ever made.
https://youtu.be/RhQvILxOoEg?si=VZ-kUqr-nEOR4NVk
From Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories:
https://x.com/btselem/status/1713541...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg
Hamas President and leader praises Egypt for not opening the border to Gazans who want to escape the war zone:
He says that grom the comfort of living in Qatar. Fucker is a millionaire that charges a 20% tax on all items entering the Gaza Strip. Many of his family members have received special treatment in Israeli hospitals. He’s just as guilty of not more guilty for any civilian deaths in Gaza as are the IDF. It’s really quite amazing the amount horrible leadership in the Muslim world. Almost every major political figure is extremely corrupt, wealthy and keeps the majority of their country living under in a police state.
A Middle East history since Ottomans. I.e. the war period. I.e. the last century. Probably the next century.
I come away with a much better understanding of all the conflicts there in my lifetime.
40 minutes. Posted 3 months ago. Channel is RealLifeLore
My summary:
The Ottomans suppressed ethnic tensions. With the post-WW1 dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, latent ethnic tensions became inflamed. Additionally, about half the world's oil, a primary resource necessary for war-making, was subsequently discovered in the region. So, without an outside master, the locals have reasons to fight. And oil creates more reasons. Oil brings the interest of every nation with global power ambition.
Video covers who did what when, where the ethnicities are, and where the oil is. Creator sorta points to bad borders drawn 100 years ago, but shows clearly that's one issue among many.
This is likely a stupid idea and wouldn't work....BUT Gaza is on the ocean. Can they find entrances to the tunnel systems and pump millions of gallons of sea water into the tunnel system?
Obviously, they are not all connected to each and maybe the ground isn't porous enough for seepage between the tunnel systems...but just a random idea.
"We had nice 3 days in your autonomous mountain realm last weekend." - Tom from Austria (the Rax ski guy)
I bet here a 1000 miles of tunnels. Decades worth. Everything is done beneath ground. Where all the money went. They’ll bring in heavy equipment, engineers etc. they’ll be guys still down there In 10:yrs, like a rising sun soldier in the jungle.
I’ll get shit for this, but you can’t ever let the terrorists, take that land back. IDF will lose allot of men. They didn’t want to do this, but their hand was forced. Same as it was in previous war, and why they kept land. Something not taught at Berkeley.
1000s of miles of tunnels, in a stretch of land 25 miles long by 5 miles wide. Yeah I guess it’s possible.
I’m confused, Cono pleads for peace and thirsts for blood.
Nice little jab at the libs in Berkeley, you owned them for sure
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