BLM closes 1/3 of Moab OHV trails to OHVs and e-bikes

[grinch]

The irony is that you have more in common with Cono than anyone and you’re either to stupid or willfully ignorant to get it.

T-ball is a good analogy for your ability to have an argument or debate about anything it seems. Would it be too hard to admit that you like ebikes because it allows you to ride things that you would otherwise not be able to or would wreck you? Because that’s what you and Summit are really explaining when trying to convince people that “ebikes are just as hard”! This in spite of several posters here and people that I know in real life being honest and just saying, “I ride them because it’s easier”.

Carry on with your alternative facts, you should move to the US and go full MAGAtard.


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Project much

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[brutah]

But the whole, I'm just gonna rides the trails that I'm currently prohibited from because I'm right and your wrong because I've got a special fun whip and you don't, ain't gonna fly. You're gonna burn it down for everyone.

This is basically why people hate e-bikes. They don’t follow the rules, they break em because they think they don’t apply to their motorized vehicle because they still have to pedal a little. The result will be less access for everyone.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

This is basically why people hate e-bikes. They don’t follow the rules, they break em because they think they don’t apply to their motorized vehicle because they still have to pedal a little. The result will be less access for everyone.

This falls on deaf ears. People can’t help themselves, we’re selfish creatures.

It is getting harder to spot the high end ebikes, the manufacturers are getting pretty good at camouflage.


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[geomorph]

TGR is so predictable. Take something we can all agree on, (SxS suck and that first map posted is a crime against cartography) and turn it into a 7 page spray fest about ebikes.

[toast2266]

TGR is so predictable. Take something we can all agree on, (SxS suck and that first map posted is a crime against cartography) and turn it into a 7 page spray fest about ebikes.

We're in the bike forum. Are you surprised that the people in the bike forum are more interested in discussing bikes (and ebikes) than side by sides?

[grinch]

This is basically why people hate e-bikes. They don’t follow the rules, they break em because they think they don’t apply to their motorized vehicle because they still have to pedal a little. The result will be less access for everyone.

This falls on deaf ears. People can’t help themselves, we’re selfish creatures.

It is getting harder to spot the high end ebikes, the manufacturers are getting pretty good at camouflage.


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So you genius's are saying that when everyone is riding emtb's and emtb/mtb participation numbers have increased, because of emtb, we will have less of a voice?
That hasnt been the case thus far. Trailbuilders and cycling associations have the biggest influence. Builders are on emtb's. Cycling assoc work crews are on emtb's. Governing bodies have decided emtb's are mtb's. Numbers gave the influence. Emtb owns your mixed up ass. Keep grabbin yo ankles bitches. Dry dirt and chunder ahead and we're runnin the train

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[muted reborn]

We're in the bike forum. Are you surprised that the people in the bike forum are more interested in discussing bikes (and ebikes) than side by sides?

Ah, I didn't see that it's the bike forum. Not sure how that gives you all permission to be tools though, ha.

[grskier]

We're in the bike forum. Are you surprised that the people in the bike forum are more interested in discussing bikes (and ebikes) than side by sides?

ugh, you're so predictable.


that's why we can never solve the worlds biggest problems on this forum.

[summit]

It is getting harder to spot the high end ebikes, the manufacturers are getting pretty good at camouflage.

If you can't tell its an ebike, and soon most bikes on the trail are ebikes... well... you can't stop what's coming.

[grinch]

Thats where he's at now.
#conological order

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[XXX-er]

not really 50 or a dentist
but nothing wrong with red lining my heart at 160bpm
even with a remodeled one and some new pieces and parts

sitting around with no cardio is worse for you just tour around the usa and you can see top notch health on display ever day everywhere

east of here the fastest road or mtnbike/ road bike rider in town period a guy who won a lot of races, 40 something, good enough to be spancered, smart guy well liked no fuck up tendancies seemingly at random dropped dead last year on his trainer so redlining the heart might not be good for everyone

I wouldn't have believed it but actualy ride an e-bike in zone 2 and you will lose weight whereas you won't lose weight at redline

what else can we say about america that hasn't already been said

[Foggy_Goggles]

soon most bikes on the trail are ebikes

Isn't this gonna hinge on where they are or are not "allowed". This is presumption. And the logic that there is gonna some type of revolution it will become an immoveable force because "everyone is doing it" is laughable. How's that going for SxSs in Moab?

E bikes are awesome
SxS are awesome

Humans are the challenge

Like seriously Bruh! Is that where this is at? "There is gonna be so many of us, that we are gonna do whatever the fuck we want!". Who comes next, Class 2 are 3, Stark Vargs, pitbikes, 450s, SxSs.

I respect the conversation and appreciate alternate perspectives but this is Entitles Karen By any Means Possible Tempertantum 101 Bullshit and you know it.

[joetron]

So you genius's are saying that when everyone is riding emtb's and emtb/mtb participation numbers have increased, because of emtb, we will have less of a voice?
That hasnt been the case thus far. Trailbuilders and cycling associations have the biggest influence. Builders are on emtb's. Cycling assoc work crews are on emtb's. Governing bodies have decided emtb's are mtb's. Numbers gave the influence. Emtb owns your mixed up ass. Keep grabbin yo ankles bitches. Dry dirt and chunder ahead and we're runnin the train

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When are you gonna grasp that your little northern BC bubble is not reflective of what is happening in the USA?
Hell, depending on where you are in the state of Colorado, there are vastly differing rates of usage and acceptance.


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[XXX-er]

When are you gonna grasp that your little northern BC bubble is not reflective of what is happening in the USA?
Hell, depending on where you are in the state of Colorado, there are vastly differing rates of usage and acceptance.


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and thank dog for that ^^ but I'm the smug Narthern BC guy, try to keep up eh

I think the grinch is down east

[grinch]

When are you gonna grasp that your little northern BC bubble is not reflective of what is happening in the USA?
Hell, depending on where you are in the state of Colorado, there are vastly differing rates of usage and acceptance.


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Thats another conoesque circle back to talking point. If you are going to compile facts as theyve developed thus far world wide , the evolution that i mentioned is indeed the case. Emtb sales are replacing mtb sales and adding numbers on top of the otherwise mtb entrants.Yes the US has lagged behind and is slow on that evolutionary ladder but its still evolving in that exact same direction. Your sales must give some indication of that

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[brutah]

If you can't tell its an ebike, and soon most bikes on the trail are ebikes... well... you can't stop what's coming.

Yep, they just flat out ban all bikes, motorized or not. And it’s much easier to regulate when there’s a ban on all bicycles than trying to just id those with motors

[grinch]

Haaaaaaa good luck with your battle

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[Dantheman]

Yep, they just flat out ban all bikes, motorized or not. And it’s much easier to regulate when there’s a ban on all bicycles than trying to just id those with motors

Oh, come on. It's not like there's a perfectly analogous situation where BLM has just done that exactly that for anything with a motor. Oh, wait....

[Foggy_Goggles]

Yep, they just flat out ban all bikes, motorized or not. And it’s much easier to regulate when there’s a ban on all bicycles than trying to just id those with motors

Even a bit of awareness around this as being a possibility, however remote, would be refreshing. "I've got this awesome shiny think and I'm gonna use it no matter what!". Logic will not constrain me!

So its just like a bike except its faster, requires less physical fitness but more skill, and travels at higher speed and its taking over! But user groups like horsey people and hikers that have traditionally been a bit leery of bikes are not gonna feel in anyway threatened by this faster bike because it functionally looks the same and has no throttle and is quiet, have we talked about the quiet motor? Put the noisy ones and the ones with the go button, ban the fuck outta those!

I have no idea what actuall Class 1 E Bike advocacy looks like, but if this is it, you are fucked!

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I think e-bikes are cool, keep using them where they aren’t allowed and all bikers will suffer loss of access. I’m having a hard time understanding why certain people can’t even have a conversation about it. Even when you make it clear that you have no problem with ebikes on trails where they are currently allowed but point out that ebike use on non motorized FS and BLM trails isn’t allowed, you just get called a hater and that their class I bikes aren’t motorized. It’s baffling.


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[Conundrum]

Is it possible to justify ebike usage with "It's fun"?

[skaredshtles]

Is it possible to justify ebike usage with "It's fun"?

Absolutely.

But not on trails that they aren't allowed.

[summit]

All the foaming at the mouth anti-ebike folks who "actually really like ebikes," except not, are all hinging on this presumption that the 2 actual emtb supporters here are encouraging violating bans.

Except like most of the strawmen they put up, this strawman argument was never actually made.

Then why do I ride my normal mtbs most of the time? Also 95% of the emtb I see on no emtb trails are rentals, but usually the only way I know it's an emtb is they are climbing faster than expected or descending slower than expected.

But OMG Teh P0aCH1ngzzzz! is trotted out between "ebikes are easy and scary and ebikers are lazy and jerks" BS to justify the certain impending ban on all bikes. That or classic slippery slope scare tactics. Fucking hilarious. You'd better figure out who the enemy actually is. If it is emtbs that are the enemy and also soon most bike riders on trails are going to be on emtbs that you cannot tell are emtbs, then you as a biking advocate had better fucking figure out a new enemy and a new strategy.

My point of putting this thread in the bike forum was about whether it was right to ban ebikes and whether that is a loss. The best the warrior advocates can come up with is "ebikes are like fucking a fat chick, easy fun but don't tell nobody cuz it will ruin your dating prospects." Let's see how that works out in the next decade (hint, it won't).

Next we can talk about "unsanctioned trails." Oh wait... nope... because the first rule of unsanctioned trails is what again? Oh but... that's different, right?

[S_jenks]

I gotta say grinch, it’s pretty amusing to see how easily you get riled up over e-bikes. This is far from the only occasion in this forum, and it almost always devolves into you slinging insults and posting snarky one-liner replies. The sensitivity and behavior reminds me of Benny a little bit.

Just don’t go scorched earth on us!

[toast2266]

Is it possible to justify ebike usage with "It's fun"?

Ebikes are fun.

Ebikers are a pack of idiots.

The same goes for SxS's.