If only there was something we could do...

[leroy jenkins]

from a tumbling bullet

Which is still nowhere near as big as the wound channels and organ disrupting internal shock waves as from a proper rifle round ala 308.

[riser4]

Just sharing my experiences blowing shit up as a teenager
I have a single shot 20ga, with only #7
Never had any concern with a B&E at my place. A baseball bat by the front door maybe...
The Mayonnaise Militia thinks they're gonna be all COD on an intruder, not concerned about misses that hit other houses
The gun nutz are the ones that are concerned about what shot's in their sawed off 12ga, not me

Pick up a box of #4.

[SumJongGuy]

Which is still nowhere near as big as the wound channels and organ disrupting internal shock waves as from a proper rifle round ala 308.

How about 50 of them in 30 seconds?

[Cisco Kid]

.22 to your ear hole is clean. If that's your metric

[k2skier112]

Which is still nowhere near as big as the wound channels and organ disrupting internal shock waves as from a proper rifle round ala 308.

Why didn't the military stick with 30 cal then?

[SumJongGuy]

Why didn't the military stick with 30 cal then?

Less tactical.. Heavier to schlep around.. Carry 8-10 mags of .223 versus 4-5 mags of 308?? Makes for a longer rampage amirite??

[k2skier112]

Yup. I've heard all the pros and cons, but I'd like to hear the gun "enthusiasts" opinion on what Jesus Will be Packing when he returns. Will he be super human strong and carry a 50 cal? Stick with the military decision on 22 cal? Enquiring minds need to know

[m2711c]

why would he be returning?

[k2skier112]

To own the Libs, duh

[stuckathuntermtn]

So much for protect and serve. Should their slogan be abuse and subjugate?


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Yes, the police in America are basically a legitimized protection racket in a system that criminalizes poverty.
Also, can one of you ammosexuals explain to me how having a gun to protect your home works when you're not home? Usually the best time to steal someone's shit is when they're not home. Or at least when they're not watching. Is there some kind of automated system I don't know about? Does it use AI to murder the neighborhood children and/or deer?

[riser4]

Yes, the police in America are basically a legitimized protection racket in a system that criminalizes poverty.
Also, can one of you ammosexuals explain to me how having a gun to protect your home works when you're not home? Usually the best time to steal someone's shit is when they're not home. Or at least when they're not watching. Is there some kind of automated system I don't know about? Does it use AI to murder the neighborhood children and/or deer?

Don't ever leave home. Duh.

[frorider]

Protect and serve still applies, it’s just a shift in the beneficiary

Pithy. +1

[SumJongGuy]

Yup. I've heard all the pros and cons, but I'd like to hear the gun "enthusiasts" opinion on what Jesus Will be Packing when he returns. Will he be super human strong and carry a 50 cal? Stick with the military decision on 22 cal? Enquiring minds need to know

why would he be returning?

My go to response to the evangelical Pharisees is.... "He already returned and left with the Righteous.. leaving you judgmental hypocritical idiots behind."

[SumJongGuy]

Just sharing my experiences blowing shit up as a teenager
I have a single shot 20ga, with only #7
Never had any concern with a B&E at my place. A baseball bat by the front door maybe...
The Mayonnaise Militia thinks they're gonna be all COD on an intruder, not concerned about misses that hit other houses
The gun nutz are the ones that are concerned about what shot's in their sawed off 12ga, not me

Measured our 1450 sg ft ranch. 32' across dining to living room. 28' from entry way to end of hall. 20-30' is probably average

Ya admit it's hella fun. Went to a gun show with a buddy in the mid 90s right before Brady Ban. He bought an AK clone and 500 rounds of ammo, 2 big magazines. We went to his dad's farm and shot up some junk cars he had there. Good times. I think he sold that gun awhile ago.

No issues with having something like that way out in the country. Just GTFO with it in the trunk of your car or behind the seat in your bro dozer..

[sb]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ewSzFhysV6g

[ex-powderbroker]

« Police say a gunman in a bulletproof vest has opened fire on the streets of Philadelphia, killing five people and wounding two boys before he surrendered to responding officers. The shootings took place over several city blocks, and dozens of spent shell casings were found. «

huh, surrendered

[MagnificentUnicorn]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ewSzFhysV6g

Wrong thread, take it to the guns thread so you and the other limp dicks can rejoice


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[SumJongGuy]

Nobody buys these highly efficient killing machines without at least a slight notion that it's nice to have the capability to go on a rampage should they so decide to someday. Otherwise there'd be a huge market for some kind of non lethal plastic bullet rounds that work great for target practice and making a lot of noise but not so great for said mayhem...

And, any use against the United States government/military or local law enforcement is treason regardless of whether or not you agree with the direction that government has gone.. You would be in violation of The Constitution.... 2nd A was never intended to allow for revolt against the US federal government. It was to allow for the slave patrols and defending the USA against other nations..

[anotherVTskibum]

And, any use against the United States government/military or local law enforcement is treason regardless of whether or not you agree with the direction that government has gone.. You would be in violation of The Constitution.... 2nd A was never intended to allow for revolt against the US federal government. It was to allow for the slave patrols and defending the USA against other nations..

It's treason if you lose. It's rebellion against tyranny if you win.

In the context of the late 18th century, I was under the impression that part of the rationale behind the second amendment was to allow for state-level citizen militias (yes, analogous to the modern National Guard) as they had proven so important in the early days of the Revolution and would be an effective check against the federal government turning into some sort of monarchy or dictatorship. Is that revisionist?

[Buster Highmen]

In the context of the late 18th century, I was under the impression that part of the rationale behind the second amendment was to allow for state-level citizen militias (yes, analogous to the modern National Guard) as they had proven so important in the early days of the Revolution and would be an effective check against the federal government turning into some sort of monarchy or dictatorship. Is that revisionist?

Yes.

My understanding is that the intention was to bolster defenses against foreign invasions and give the States control over their militias.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The "security of a free State" is referenced, not tyranny. IN practice, the Whiskey Rebellion is a case.

Under Article I § 8 of the Constitution, the states transferred to Congress the power "to provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel Invasions" and "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia."

https://www.theatlantic.com/national...rnment/241298/

[SumJongGuy]

It's treason if you lose. It's rebellion against tyranny if you win.

In the context of the late 18th century, I was under the impression that part of the rationale behind the second amendment was to allow for state-level citizen militias (yes, analogous to the modern National Guard) as they had proven so important in the early days of the Revolution and would be an effective check against the federal government turning into some sort of monarchy or dictatorship. Is that revisionist?

False, the state level militias were only allowed to handle slave revolts (word State added just before it was ratified) but primarily so they would be ready to rock should we be attacked by another OUTSIDE threat. The original words were actually "for the security of the free COUNTRY. Southern states objected for fear calling up the militias might be a back door way to force emancipation.. True story.

“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person.”

https://medium.com/the-new-leader/de...t-bfe06dc06946

[nickwm21]

That whole debate is stupid when the “tyrannical government” has a few thousand AH-64 Apaches.


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[Ted Striker]

Plus the newly formed United States was broke. The colonial dollar was close to worthless (literally the OG Money Printer Go Brrr) and they owed France a ton of money. The last thing Franklin wanted was to increase the federal payroll.

[Ted Striker]

Bulletproof vest guy is a bit of a head scratcher. Like 'don't kill me because I want to go to pound me in the ass prison'?

"Three of the dead victims were men who ranged in age from 20 to 59... a fourth deceased victim was a male believed to be between 16 and 21. Two boys were injured, a 2-year-old and a 13-year-old"

339 mass shootings so far in 2023, and today only the 185th day of the year. Even money there's another one tonight.

This country is circling the fucking drain.

[mcski]

That whole debate is stupid when the “tyrannical government” has a few thousand AH-64 Apaches.


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Buht…WOLVERINES!!! It worked then on the commies!