If only there was something we could do...

[CarlMega]

This is normal.

Florida Man Who Shot at Pool Cleaner Covered by Stand Your Ground Laws

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-man...d-laws-1809194

[ex-powderbroker]

another scaredy cat shooting. house and property not under threat, doesn’t identify target, should not have a gun. period.

i wonder if that shooter could still be charged or if the justice system just goes “no harm no foul” all the way up.

[AK47bp]

We need to make America tough again.

A country of fat asses that can’t physically handle a good ole fashioned fight now just skip the gym and buy a gun instead.

Such pussies everywhere. If you are scared of your own shadow everything you do can be justified as self defense in your own weak brain.

The snowflakes are ruining it.

[californiagrown]

This is normal.

Florida Man Who Shot at Pool Cleaner Covered by Stand Your Ground Laws

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-man...d-laws-1809194

Im wondering why someone would choose an AR15 for home defense, unless you lived alone, out in the country? With that kind of power its not out of the realm to put a round through the intruder, through a wall or two and into your family member in the next room. Or in this case, when you mag dump your AR15 while aiming at man height into your suburban backyard, youre putting a lot of neighbors in danger. Any chance they can sue for criminal negligence, etc?

[m2711c]

some people are quite susceptible to effective marketing materials.

[TBS]

Im wondering why someone would choose an AR15 for home defense, unless you lived alone, out in the country? With that kind of power its not out of the realm to put a round through the intruder, through a wall or two and into your family member in the next room. Or in this case, when you mag dump your AR15 while aiming at man height into your suburban backyard, youre putting a lot of neighbors in danger. Any chance they can sue for criminal negligence, etc?

While the shooter may not get hauled up on criminal charges, he can still be liable for any damage caused by his actions - such as medical costs borne by the pool guy, or building repairs from stray rounds.

[bennymac]

Im wondering why someone would choose an AR15 for home defense, unless you lived alone, out in the country? With that kind of power it’s not out of the realm to put a round through the intruder, through a wall or two and into your family member in the next room. Or in this case, when you mag dump your AR15 while aiming at man height into your suburban backyard, youre putting a lot of neighbors in danger. Any chance they can sue for criminal negligence, etc?

If you don’t use an AR15 when shooting someone did you really even shoot anyone?

It’s got what patriots crave.

[californiagrown]

If you don’t use an AR15 when shooting someone did you really even shoot anyone?

It’s got what patriots crave.

AR15s are fun to shoot. I like loud bangs, big explosions, etc. I'm simple like that, so I see the allure in owning one and being able to shoot and explode soda cans of colored water out at the redneck range/gravel pit. But in terms of actual usefulness to an everyday person not in a warzone, they are pretty awful. Maybe im just a function over form kinda person though.

[Cisco Kid]

AR is a testament to the awesome power of American style marketing. Same folks smoked Marlboro's for the same reason. To feel eel cool and tough. Marlboro man was cool and tough. Joe Camel was a joke.

[bennymac]

AR15s are fun to shoot. I like loud bangs, big explosions, etc. I'm simple like that, so I see the allure in owning one and being able to shoot and explode soda cans of colored water out at the redneck range/gravel pit. But in terms of actual usefulness to an everyday person not in a warzone, they are pretty awful. Maybe im just a function over form kinda person though.

Driving off road in a heavily modified rock crawler can be a lot of fun.

Driving around town peacocking in one with flags hanging off it while you go get your groceries? Seems like different motives at play.

Not sure if this analogy holds up though - just spitballing

(This isn’t a dig at you)

[JimmyCarter]

Driving off road in a heavily modified rock crawler can be a lot of fun.

Driving around town peacocking in one with flags hanging off it while you go get your groceries? Seems like different motives at play.

Not sure if this analogy holds up though - just spitballing

(This isn’t a dig at you)

But if you want a quiver of one for target practice, killing terrorists, or taking out Girl Scouts selling cookies at your door, your options are pretty limited

[bennymac]

Don’t forget posing for Christmas cards, overthrowing the government, and killing thieves at close range at Dunkin Donuts

[Phall]

Im wondering why someone would choose an AR15 for home defense, unless you lived alone, out in the country? With that kind of power its not out of the realm to put a round through the intruder, through a wall or two and into your family member in the next room. Or in this case, when you mag dump your AR15 while aiming at man height into your suburban backyard, youre putting a lot of neighbors in danger. Any chance they can sue for criminal negligence, etc?

Ease of operation, more rounds in mag, and ease of accuracy. Many videos on Youtube on AR v. 9mm pistol vs. 12ga shotgun in home defense scenarios (5/10 sheets of drywall penetration tests) moral of the story is all of those penetrate 10+ layers of drywall, so it's more of a competency thing than the fact that one will penetrate farther than the other.

[anotherVTskibum]

AR15s are fun to shoot. I like loud bangs, big explosions, etc. I'm simple like that, so I see the allure in owning one and being able to shoot and explode soda cans of colored water out at the redneck range/gravel pit. But in terms of actual usefulness to an everyday person not in a warzone, they are pretty awful. Maybe im just a function over form kinda person though.

I'd argue that the AR is not only fun to shoot, but it's relatively easy to shoot with reasonable accuracy. With a normal (556/223) round, it barely kicks, while a lot of other rifle designs (and different calibers) are more demanding in that regard. I suspect that was probably part of the selection process, as the design is based on infantry use, where being able to train gun jongs to a reasonably competent level as efficiently as possible is important.

And yes, it can be a quiver of one for a very wide range of uses; I've got friends who have used them for deer hunting (with an appropriate magazine) and wild boar, aside from the other uses already mentioned.

For home defense in a non-rural setting, yes, it's way down the list. If you want one rifle for everything from deer to post-apocalyptic role playing, I'm not sure what else would come out ahead.

That's back to a best for one individual vs best for the many case, though: while it might make a good quiver of one gun for an individual, widespread civilian ownership of ARs and other semiautomatic rifles is clearly not a net win for society.

[SumJongGuy]

Nothing else comes ahead of it on the list for I've lost my shit and want the best instant mayhem precision human killing machine.. tools

[bennymac]

[riser4]

.22 lr, a blue tarp, a suppressor, and a good shovel.

[californiagrown]

Ease of operation, more rounds in mag, and ease of accuracy. Many videos on Youtube on AR v. 9mm pistol vs. 12ga shotgun in home defense scenarios (5/10 sheets of drywall penetration tests) moral of the story is all of those penetrate 10+ layers of drywall, so it's more of a competency thing than the fact that one will penetrate farther than the other.

You're saying an AR with any easily available round chambered has the same penetration power and danger to your housemates and neighbors as a 20 gauge shotgun using birdshot? I'm not a firearm expert so I'm open to being proven wrong, but that just doesn't make sense.

[Cisco Kid]

Should I be pissed that my freedom was taken when they came for my lawn darts? Man, those things were awesome fun.

[riser4]

Should I be pissed that my freedom was taken when they came for my lawn darts? Man, those things were awesome fun.

Tru dat. What would be fun would be a cannon that shot lawn darts.

[Phall]

Birdshot out of a 20, or 12, no, Buck shot or slugs is a different story, which is what most folks would use as home defense rounds


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[Cisco Kid]

Ya know, I've been reading that deciding on a weapon to use offensively is a lot less complicated. Almost anything will do.

[k2skier112]

You're saying an AR with any easily available round chambered has the same penetration power and danger to your housemates and neighbors as a 20 gauge shotgun using birdshot? I'm not a firearm expert so I'm open to being proven wrong, but that just doesn't make sense.

The knock down power on a .223/5.56 relies on the bullet tumbling when it hits, they don't go straight through a human like the .308/7.62 can
From personal experience with a 20 ga, anything smaller than a BB load loses knock down power over 20-30 feet(ish)

[SumJongGuy]

Neither one is holding the weapon properly.

And, 00 is nowhere near as armor piercing (tactical vest piercing) as .223s are. It's not even close the damage they do compared to buck shot. Velocity, distance, penetration, etc.. the collateral damage from stray .223s is going to be way worse than from buck shot.

[riser4]

Birdshot out of a 20, or 12, no, Buck shot or slugs is a different story, which is what most folks would use as home defense rounds


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#4 shot. If you read Patriot Games.