ON3P SKIS Discussion

[Joey311]

I picked up the 187 WD110 earlier this year and was thinking, since winter's almost here I should mount some bindings on them. Most other skis seem to have a recommended line but I don't see "the line" on the WD 110. There are several lines at regular increments on the right ski but just a short tick mark under the serial number on the left.

Where's the factory recommended mount point for the 187 WD110?

EDIT: Search results say that the 187 WD110 mount point is -7.5cm. Does this mean I just measure -7.5cm from the center of the ski?

The line is stamped on the sidewall.

[BlazersTimbers503]

Anyone here on the 191 J110s and mount them behind recommended? I’m 6’4” 205 lbs looking to replace my Enforcer 104 Free’s with a similar 102-110 waist ski. Honestly, I love everything about the E104’s EXCEPT they get a little sketchy when charging at Mach 10. I’m looking for something comparable with less of a speed limit. I reached out to ON3P to see if the Woodsman or the Jeffrey would match what I’m looking for and they said the 191 Jeffrey 110 mounted -2 behind the line would be what they recommend. Does anyone else have their J110 mounted behind the line? Does the J110 have a speed limit? I’ve also seen some folks on here rave about the 192 M-Free 108’s… I’m wondering if a dude my size would find the speed limit on these as well? I’m looking for that unicorn ski (which the Enforcer 104 ALMOST is) that I can charge as hard as I want, but is also nimble and playful when it’s a chill day skiing with my wife. I’m not doing any switch skiing or park riding anymore, and this will be my daily driver West Coast ski. This will be the middle ski in my quiver, in between some Brahma no-snow skis and some fatty pow skis.


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[optics]

In my experience no Jeff matches the mf108 speed limit. Woodsman maybe?

[JuiceboxHero]

The line is stamped on the sidewall.

I can't believe I missed that. Thank you!

[scmartin69]

In my experience no Jeff matches the mf108 speed limit. Woodsman maybe?

My Woods didn't...

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[kid-kapow]

...You are obviously a great repository of information you've absorbed online...

You are right, I would've been rich if I had invested these sums in BitCoin instead of skis. Perhaps a bit less satisfied with my quiver and life in general, but def richer.

The skis I've owned over the past 5-7 years:
176 mag90 (never skied, sold)
181 mag90 (never skied, sold)
179 wren 88
179 wren 96
179 wren 96ti
179 wren 108 (first gen)
179 wren 108 (sec gen)
184 wren 108 (first gen)
179 wren 114
179 wren 114
182 BG 110
182 BG 118
184 BG108tour
184 BG 16/17 extra stiff (never skied, sold)
184 BG 16/17 (to be skied)
184 BG asym
184 C&D
189 C&D
182 WD96 (first gen)
182 WD102 50/50 (current gen)
182 WD 108 (first gen)
182 WD 108 tour
182 WD 110 (current gen)
182 WD 110 50/50 (current gen)
182 WD 116 (first gen)
176 K98
181 K108
181 k116 (custom stiffer)

Non ON3P
182 Rossignol Black ops current mount -2
129 Dynastar M Pro (mounted -2, to be skied)
185 Dynastar M-Free 99 (on the line)
185 Dynastar M-Free 99 (+1)
182 Dynastar M-Free 108 (on the line)
182 Dynastar M-Free 108 (+1.5, remounted +1)
192 Dynastar M-Free 108 (on the line, remoutend +1.5)
189 Dynastar M-Free 118 (+1.5)
189 Dynastar PR-OTO 118 (+1.5)
184 4FRNT Raven
187 4FRNT Hoji
186 SGN UrRakkar (never skied)
175 SGN Togga Carbon (never skied)
186 SGN Togga Carbon
184 LibTech Wunderstick 106
186 LibTech Wunderstick 118
4x 178 LibTech Freeride nas
171 LibTech POW NAS
2x 181 LibTech Pow NAS
176 LibTech FFF
182 LibTech UFO 95
182 LibTech UFO 115
177 Volkl Mantra 102
176 Volkl BMT 90
176 Volkl BMT 90
176 Volkl BMT 94 (never skied)
4x Volkl Mantra V Werks
177 Volkl Katana V Werks
186 Volkl MT 94
2x 176 Volkl BMT 108
3x 176 Volkl BMT 122
1x 186 Volkl BMT 108
2x 186 Volkl BMT 122
184 DPS Koala 103 (to be skied)
2x 184 DPS Koala 119
185 DPS Lotus 124 (to be skied)
177 Blizzard Bonafide (to be skied)
180 Blizzard Rustler 10
180 Blizzard Rustler 11 shift
180 Blizzard Rustler 11 kingpin (never skied)
177 Fischer Ranger 102 FR
177 Fischer Ranger 102 FR
182 Line Vision 108 (to be skied)
182 Line Vision 118 (to be skied)
184 Moment Wildcat 108
173 Praxis EXP
179 Extrem Opinion Carbon 98
186 Extrem Opinion Carbon 108

(some of the lenghts might be off and skis might have been forgotten - these were mostly from my memory alone -)

So perhaps not only info gained from reading about stuff online.

The point I am trying to make is not that I am kewl since I've owned all these skis, but that I am very aggressive in trying to learn something (quiver perfection), and that I most of the time go too far in said pursuit

And yes, my executive functions are not great some/most of the time. And clearly I have been single throughout this period in time.

And therein lies the rub; you may have reached peak internet echo chamber knowledge.

Meaning all additional answers “in here” will keep you none the wiser.

But it’s cool. You’re among friends.

I might be daft, but asking iggy "why" seem to me to be pretty far from internet echo chamber knowledge. I know, I know - email!

[CallMeAl]

Just got these mounted -5mm due to hole conflict.

KK, you get these when I fkn die so you can remount them at the other option, which was +16mm, and the world will keep turnin'

[kid-kapow]

KK, you get these when I fkn die so you can remount them at the other option, which was +16mm, and the world will keep turnin'

Thanks!

You didn't mount them with Pivots though, so no care

And for reference, I preferred first gen wood116 -1 with pivots (tried them +.5 witg pivots, on the line with Shifts), 108s on the line (tried +.5 (messed up the mount) pivots, on the line shifts and -1 pivots). I've only skied current gen and wood 96 first gen on the line, all with pivots.

[BlazersTimbers503]

You are right, I would've been rich if I had invested these sums in BitCoin instead of skis. Perhaps a bit less satisfied with my quiver and life in general, but def richer.

The skis I've owned over the past 5-7 years:
176 mag90 (never skied, sold)
181 mag90 (never skied, sold)
179 wren 88
179 wren 96
179 wren 96ti
179 wren 108 (first gen)
179 wren 108 (sec gen)
184 wren 108 (first gen)
179 wren 114
179 wren 114
182 BG 110
182 BG 118
184 BG108tour
184 BG 16/17 extra stiff (never skied, sold)
184 BG 16/17 (to be skied)
184 BG asym
184 C&D
189 C&D
182 WD96 (first gen)
182 WD102 50/50 (current gen)
182 WD 108 (first gen)
182 WD 108 tour
182 WD 110 (current gen)
182 WD 110 50/50 (current gen)
182 WD 116 (first gen)
176 K98
181 K108
181 k116 (custom stiffer)

Non ON3P
182 Rossignol Black ops current mount -2
129 Dynastar M Pro (mounted -2, to be skied)
185 Dynastar M-Free 99 (on the line)
185 Dynastar M-Free 99 (+1)
182 Dynastar M-Free 108 (on the line)
182 Dynastar M-Free 108 (+1.5, remounted +1)
192 Dynastar M-Free 108 (on the line, remoutend +1.5)
189 Dynastar M-Free 118 (+1.5)
189 Dynastar PR-OTO 118 (+1.5)
184 4FRNT Raven
187 4FRNT Hoji
186 SGN UrRakkar (never skied)
175 SGN Togga Carbon (never skied)
186 SGN Togga Carbon
184 LibTech Wunderstick 106
186 LibTech Wunderstick 118
4x 178 LibTech Freeride nas
171 LibTech POW NAS
2x 181 LibTech Pow NAS
176 LibTech FFF
182 LibTech UFO 95
182 LibTech UFO 115
177 Volkl Mantra 102
176 Volkl BMT 90
176 Volkl BMT 90
176 Volkl BMT 94 (never skied)
4x Volkl Mantra V Werks
177 Volkl Katana V Werks
186 Volkl MT 94
2x 176 Volkl BMT 108
3x 176 Volkl BMT 122
1x 186 Volkl BMT 108
2x 186 Volkl BMT 122
184 DPS Koala 103 (to be skied)
2x 184 DPS Koala 119
185 DPS Lotus 124 (to be skied)
177 Blizzard Bonafide (to be skied)
180 Blizzard Rustler 10
180 Blizzard Rustler 11 shift
180 Blizzard Rustler 11 kingpin (never skied)
177 Fischer Ranger 102 FR
177 Fischer Ranger 102 FR
182 Line Vision 108 (to be skied)
182 Line Vision 118 (to be skied)
184 Moment Wildcat 108
173 Praxis EXP
179 Extrem Opinion Carbon 98
186 Extrem Opinion Carbon 108

(some of the lenghts might be off and skis might have been forgotten - these were mostly from my memory alone -)

So perhaps not only info gained from reading about stuff online.

The point I am trying to make is not that I am kewl since I've owned all these skis, but that I am very aggressive in trying to learn something (quiver perfection), and that I most of the time go too far in said pursuit

And yes, my executive functions are not great some/most of the time. And clearly I have been single throughout this period in time.



I might be daft, but asking iggy "why" seem to me to be pretty far from internet echo chamber knowledge. I know, I know - email!

You might be able to answer my question! In your experience, what would have the highest speed limit between a 191 Jeffrey 110, a 192 Woodsman 110 or a 192 M-Free 108? Which of those is more playful and nimble than the others at slower speeds? I’m trying to find something similar to my 191 Enforcer 104 Free’s, but with a higher speed limit.


2016 Blizzard Brahma w/ Griffons - 187
2017 Moment Bibby Pro w/ STH2 16s - 190
2019 Nordica Enforcer 104 Free w/ STH2 16s - 190
2019 Line Sick Day 104 w/ Shifts - 186

[frosted flakes]

You are right, I would've been rich if I had invested these sums in BitCoin instead of skis. Perhaps a bit less satisfied with my quiver and life in general, but def richer.

The skis I've owned over the past 5-7 years:

Wow you’ve owned all of these in the last seven years or less? I need to buy more skis.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

You are right, I would've been rich if I had invested these sums in BitCoin instead of skis. Perhaps a bit less satisfied with my quiver and life in general, but def richer.

The skis I've owned over the past 5-7 years:
176 mag90 (never skied, sold)
181 mag90 (never skied, sold)
179 wren 88
179 wren 96
179 wren 96ti
179 wren 108 (first gen)
179 wren 108 (sec gen)
184 wren 108 (first gen)
179 wren 114
179 wren 114
182 BG 110
182 BG 118
184 BG108tour
184 BG 16/17 extra stiff (never skied, sold)
184 BG 16/17 (to be skied)
184 BG asym
184 C&D
189 C&D
182 WD96 (first gen)
182 WD102 50/50 (current gen)
182 WD 108 (first gen)
182 WD 108 tour
182 WD 110 (current gen)
182 WD 110 50/50 (current gen)
182 WD 116 (first gen)
176 K98
181 K108
181 k116 (custom stiffer)

Non ON3P
182 Rossignol Black ops current mount -2
129 Dynastar M Pro (mounted -2, to be skied)
185 Dynastar M-Free 99 (on the line)
185 Dynastar M-Free 99 (+1)
182 Dynastar M-Free 108 (on the line)
182 Dynastar M-Free 108 (+1.5, remounted +1)
192 Dynastar M-Free 108 (on the line, remoutend +1.5)
189 Dynastar M-Free 118 (+1.5)
189 Dynastar PR-OTO 118 (+1.5)
184 4FRNT Raven
187 4FRNT Hoji
186 SGN UrRakkar (never skied)
175 SGN Togga Carbon (never skied)
186 SGN Togga Carbon
184 LibTech Wunderstick 106
186 LibTech Wunderstick 118
4x 178 LibTech Freeride nas
171 LibTech POW NAS
2x 181 LibTech Pow NAS
176 LibTech FFF
182 LibTech UFO 95
182 LibTech UFO 115
177 Volkl Mantra 102
176 Volkl BMT 90
176 Volkl BMT 90
176 Volkl BMT 94 (never skied)
4x Volkl Mantra V Werks
177 Volkl Katana V Werks
186 Volkl MT 94
2x 176 Volkl BMT 108
3x 176 Volkl BMT 122
1x 186 Volkl BMT 108
2x 186 Volkl BMT 122
184 DPS Koala 103 (to be skied)
2x 184 DPS Koala 119
185 DPS Lotus 124 (to be skied)
177 Blizzard Bonafide (to be skied)
180 Blizzard Rustler 10
180 Blizzard Rustler 11 shift
180 Blizzard Rustler 11 kingpin (never skied)
177 Fischer Ranger 102 FR
177 Fischer Ranger 102 FR
182 Line Vision 108 (to be skied)
182 Line Vision 118 (to be skied)
184 Moment Wildcat 108
173 Praxis EXP
179 Extrem Opinion Carbon 98
186 Extrem Opinion Carbon 108

(some of the lenghts might be off and skis might have been forgotten - these were mostly from my memory alone -)

So perhaps not only info gained from reading about stuff online.

The point I am trying to make is not that I am kewl since I've owned all these skis, but that I am very aggressive in trying to learn something (quiver perfection), and that I most of the time go too far in said pursuit

And yes, my executive functions are not great some/most of the time. And clearly I have been single throughout this period in time.



I might be daft, but asking iggy "why" seem to me to be pretty far from internet echo chamber knowledge. I know, I know - email!

Would you describe yourself as “wound a little tight” and/or “ on the spectrum”?

That’s like 75 skis in the last 5-7 years, even if you skied 100 days a season it’s less than a week on each pair. I ski a fair amount usually 70+ days lift served with a 10-20 days touring and have had less than ten skis in use over the last 7 years. You’re not even giving skis enough time to adapt to their flavor.


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[kid-kapow]

Wow you’ve owned all of these in the last seven years or less? I need to buy more skis.

yes. I am rich in experience, poor in crypto!

You might be able to answer my question! In your experience, what would have the highest speed limit between a 191 Jeffrey 110, a 192 Woodsman 110 or a 192 M-Free 108?

I have not ridden either longer ON3P, but 192 M-Free 108s haul if you want them to. Not like a directional charger haul, bbut they want yu to go as fast as you can, all the time, being playful. I've labeled the 192 as the best ski ever in its segment - take it for what is worth, just an opinion.

But then again I did not find either Kartels or Woodsmans to lack for pace, it more has to do with how you like to drive your skis and how active / dynamic you want to be. Dynastars are better on groomers, ON3Ps have more float.

Would you describe yourself as “wound a little tight” and/or “ on the spectrum”?

Snicker. These observations would be even funnier if you'd know what I used to do and what I am currently in training to qualify as

I guess it is all relative, but one do not need a ton of time on a ski to figure it out, especially when one can bring it out across conditions.

And to be honest, the only skis from ON3P I regret selling before getting them across more conditions are the wren96s x2, and that I did not try with pivots -> kartel116s - and BG108tours, they were truly awesome, like fantastic. I have enough time of the rest of them to know how they ski. I spend a lot of time learning how to ski better by figuring out how to ski different skis in different conditions. That is actually one of the main drivers for gaining insights from reviews online - to short circuit my process.

And keep in mind, my objective is not to figure out how I can find how to ski each ski the best and keep it, but to figure out what brings forth the strengths/weaknesses in a specific design and contrast that to how I know that I prefer to ski. Aka, find the best ski for how I like to ski.

I learn a lot - ALOT - through this approach, it has def made me a (way) better skier. Aka poor in crypto, but rich in experiences.

That might but me on several spectrums, be it from manchild to too involved in seemingly trivial matters. We all have our outlets.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

yes. I am rich in experience, poor in crypto!



I have not ridden either longer ON3P, but 192 M-Free 108s haul if you want them to. Not like a directional charger haul, bbut they want yu to go as fast as you can, all the time, being playful. I've labeled the 192 as the best ski ever in its segment - take it for what is worth, just an opinion.

But then again I did not find either Kartels or Woodsmans to lack for pace, it more has to do with how you like to drive your skis and how active / dynamic you want to be. Dynastars are better on groomers, ON3Ps have more float.



Snicker. These observations would be even funnier if you'd know what I used to do and what I am currently in training to qualify as

I guess it is all relative, but one do not need a ton of time on a ski to figure it out, especially when one can bring it out across conditions.

And to be honest, the only skis from ON3P I regret selling before getting them across more conditions are the wren96s x2, and that I did not try with pivots -> kartel116s. I have enough time of the rest of them to know how they ski. I spend a lot of time learning how to ski better by figuring out how to ski different skis in different conditions. That is actually one of the main drivers for gaining insights from reviews online - to short circuit my process.

And keep in mind, my objective is not to figure out how I can find how to ski each ski the best and keep it, but to figure out what brings forth the strengths/weaknesses in a specific design and contrast that to how I know that I prefer to ski. Aka, find the best ski for how I like to ski.

I learn a lot - ALOT - through this approach, it has def made me a (way) better skier. Aka poor in crypto, but rich in experiences.

That might but me on several spectrums, be it from manchild to too involved in seemingly trivial matters. We all have our outlets.

This is pretty impressive, are you spancered by anyone?


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[kid-kapow]

This is pretty impressive, are you spancered by anyone?

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I can’t watch that in my country


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[gaijin]

Classic TRGs. Love it.

Hang in there, Kid.

I’m curious about this, too, regarding specifically Pivots. But not related to ON3s.

I have a stupid Baron demo on one of my skis that is on the line. I love the way it skis. A new Pivot mount moves me -1 or +2.

General consensus around here is +2. But going from a gigantic demo plate to a short Pivot makes me believe I’ll probably end up with a lot more tail.

Of course, I’ll demo first. Ha. IT'S A FUCKING DEMO BINDING!

But… no line will feel the same between these two bindings.

Also— I used to give KC, Bandit, Kid, et al. shit for never “getting to know their skis.”

But then I realized that every ski I’ve been on has felt intuitive from day 1. They do ski better with 10 days on them. But that’s just me learning their quirks and adjusting my stance rather than the ski’s general character. Of course I become a superstar on any pair of skis after day 100, but how pigeon-holed is that?

Hell, I didn’t even know how to slarve until I got on a 5-point. Then that slarving skill transferred over to my groomer zoomers. Completely changed my skill set and style. That stupid-ass shape made me want to start racing gates again... because it taught me how to drive a ski's base.

Some of us are idiots. We need to be punched in the face. We need to ski a lot.

From this point onward, it is no longer acceptable to say that anyone else is skiing too much.

[optics]

I’m feeling like kid kapow and aever should have a podcast. I would listen.

[gaijin]

I can’t watch that in my country
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So move.

[gaijin]

I’m feeling like kid kapow and aever should have a podcast. I would listen.

Unfortunately, you and I are the only two. Plus a few others.

[gaijin]

I'll just go ahead and quote myself because I'm an asshole.

From this point onward, it is no longer acceptable to say that anyone else is skiing too much.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

So move.

I like it here


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[beeeom]

Billy Goats ski better at -1 then they do at +1

they ski best at +1.5

[beeeom]

Just got these mounted -5mm due to hole conflict.

KK, you get these when I fkn die so you can remount them at the other option, which was +16mm, and the world will keep turnin'

They ski best at +1.5

[phatty]

I'm sure it's somewhere in here, but what are the differences between the '21 Jeff 116 and' 22 Jeff 118? Found a decent deal on 116s in good shape and thinking of pulling the trigger.

How will a fan of the 191 BG feel about the Jeff? One of my favorite skis ever was the '13 Bent Chetler but hated how it would fold. Love how the BGs pivot and plow through everything. The Jeffs would be in addition to my BGs.

Bumping this question back up as it got lost in the discussion of KKs ski testing and knowledge.

[Sessiøn]

Bumping this question back up as it got lost in the discussion of KKs ski testing and knowledge.

The 22 has more tip/tail taper and a little rounder flex. I have owned both. I do like the 22 better, but I also really liked the older version. Like you I loved my 13 BC when it was soft. But when Mt Hood starts doing Mt Hood things on "powder" days it folded like a wet napkin.If you can get a good deal on the 116 I would not hesitate.