ON3P SKIS Discussion

[robnow]

eh? ON3Ps are measured straight pull and are usually very true to lenght.

The industry norm of measuring the sole length pre press is idiocy imho, though letting marketing people seemingly randomly assign lengths to fit into a specific slot is even dumber.

Atomic will even make the Backland and Maverick/Maven with a 99 actual width, call the Unisex 100 and the Women’s 98…all for marketing purposes.

[PNW-skier78]

I am sure someone has already posted about this but this is looong thread……anyone spent a season on the woodsman 110 and if so what are their thoughts on them.


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[Brasso]

I am sure someone has already posted about this but this is looong thread……anyone spent a season on the woodsman 110 and if so what are their thoughts on them.


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Skied on the 187cm quite a bit last year. I'll end up echoing a lot of what people post about the Woods and how it compares to the Wren a bit. (I have the Wren 108 in 189cm as well.)

The WD110 is an absolute blast in any soft snow, whether it be a fresh dusting or spring slush. Its tail is easier to pivot, slash, and smear than the Wren (not that the Wren's is hard to do so, but it likes to go down the fall line), and doesn't give up very much in terms of directional skiing stability. I think they make a really great DD for our climate and am very happy I spent the extra dough on customs last year.

I wouldn't take them out on a firm day.

[scmartin69]

I have an ON3P dilemma...
I bought a pair of Woodsman 108s 187cm last year and honestly I just haven't gotten along with them. They are "fine", easy to pivot and damp, but the tail seems dead coming out of the turn. I haven't really had a chance to take them out in their ideal conditions, 4-6" of fresh, but I'm continuing on my hunt for the perfect 108. They're the grizzly corns which I hate to get rid of.
That said, I just picked up a pair of Wrenegade 108s, I'm expecting the same dampness but more pop? Am I barking up the wrong tree?
For context I have a pair of OG Billy Goats and the rest of my quiver is Moment, Commander 98, DW, WC, WC108.

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[phatty]

I have an ON3P dilemma...
I bought a pair of Woodsman 108s 187cm last year and honestly I just haven't gotten along with them. They are "fine", easy to pivot and damp, but the tail seems dead coming out of the turn. I haven't really had a chance to take them out in their ideal conditions, 4-6" of fresh, but I'm continuing on my hunt for the perfect 108. They're the grizzly corns which I hate to get rid of.
That said, I just picked up a pair of Wrenegade 108s, I'm expecting the same dampness but more pop? Am I barking up the wrong tree?
For context I have a pair of OG Billy Goats and the rest of my quiver is Moment, Commander 98, DW, WC, WC108.

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MFree 108. Damp enough and a blast in most conditions. Paired with a BG is the quiver of many mags.

[Bandit Man]

Just scored these beauties on Craigslist. Pretty minty one mount '19 asym custom 189 BGs. The search is over, beyond excited to get these on some cascade snow this season.

Nice find. The 189 BG116 is hard to beat.

But if you have ever skied the non-Asym 191, you’d
know there is really one BG to rule them all. [emoji6]

[Bandit Man]

I have an ON3P dilemma...
I bought a pair of Woodsman 108s 187cm last year and honestly I just haven't gotten along with them. They are "fine", easy to pivot and damp, but the tail seems dead coming out of the turn. I haven't really had a chance to take them out in their ideal conditions, 4-6" of fresh, but I'm continuing on my hunt for the perfect 108. They're the grizzly corns which I hate to get rid of.
That said, I just picked up a pair of Wrenegade 108s, I'm expecting the same dampness but more pop? Am I barking up the wrong tree?
For context I have a pair of OG Billy Goats and the rest of my quiver is Moment, Commander 98, DW, WC, WC108.

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BG lover here who had similar thoughts on the Woodsman 108 187 here in the PNW. Good ski but not great at anything in particular. I felt the same way about the tail. Not loose enough in 4-6” and kind of dead. Based on my experience with 189 Wrens, those weren’t the answer either.

I’m with Phatty…192 MFREE 108. The playful charger that skis like a narrow Billy Goat, but with better all-Mtn manners. They are on par (perhaps better) than the WD108 on groomers and firm off-piste and WAY better in deep snow.

[lrn2swim]

Nice find. The 189 BG116 is hard to beat.

But if you have ever skied the non-Asym 191, you’d
know there is really one BG to rule them all. [emoji6]

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[Doremite]

I have an ON3P dilemma...
I bought a pair of Woodsman 108s 187cm last year and honestly I just haven't gotten along with them. They are "fine", easy to pivot and damp, but the tail seems dead coming out of the turn. I haven't really had a chance to take them out in their ideal conditions, 4-6" of fresh, but I'm continuing on my hunt for the perfect 108. They're the grizzly corns which I hate to get rid of.
That said, I just picked up a pair of Wrenegade 108s, I'm expecting the same dampness but more pop? Am I barking up the wrong tree?
For context I have a pair of OG Billy Goats and the rest of my quiver is Moment, Commander 98, DW, WC, WC108.

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Definitely give the Wrens 108s a try. I find them to be more directional and quicker to accelerate than the Woodsman 108. Not sure they will fully tickle your itch but different enough from the Woodsman to continue on with the experiment. I prefer Wrens but may not provide the variation the MFrees would (never skied them myself). Meaning they will likely more similarly to the WD than the MFrees.

I find the Wren 96 to outperform the WD 96 in firmer conditions as well. I can’t say for certain if the tail alone is at play but there is certainty less tail rocker on the Wren v WD. I know what I like but less capable of attributing those preferences to ski design as others in these parts.

I typically don’t gravitate to more tail rocker, even in pow skis. WDs are about my limit and the Wrens bring it closer to my preferred tail presence. I like to be in more control vs feeling too loose. The Wren mount point also just seems to work better for me given my ski style.

[CallMeAl]

Am I barking up the wrong tree?

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I’m afraid so. Sounds like you are looking for a ski with a shorter radius like the Dynastar mentioned, not a longer one.

[Bandit Man]

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Those do look really sweet. They are probably the best “well-rounded” BG. I’ve had lots of good days on mine over the years. The 191’s are just a special vintage for those of use in the PNW. A bit under appreciated and gone too soon. ☹️

[2FUNKY]

Those do look really sweet. They are probably the best “well-rounded” BG. I’ve had lots of good days on mine over the years. The 191’s are just a special vintage for those of use in the PNW. A bit under appreciated and gone too soon. ☹️

The new 187 is what I wanted the old 191 to be. The new 187 flex is spot on, stiffer and well rounded with no hinge. More slice and precise. Doesn’t get sluggish in the turn and accelerates better out of the turn. My quiver is really dialed or they would be added.


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[lrn2swim]

Those do look really sweet. They are probably the best “well-rounded” BG. I’ve had lots of good days on mine over the years. The 191’s are just a special vintage for those of use in the PNW. A bit under appreciated and gone too soon. [emoji3525]

Oh, did I mention they have green sidewalls too?

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[division.bell]

Not sure who needs to see this but, some pillow fights up for sale in Seattle area on CL. https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/spo/7542651756.html

Sorry if this is h to e wrong thread.

Those are mine.

They're now for sale at mag discount in Gear Swap for anyone interested. Or curious.

[Chunter]

I had some OG Kartel 106's that I loved everything about and they were my perfect do it all ski. I then sold them and got some Wrenegade 96's as my skiing style evolved to more groomer ripping and side hit blasting with less tree skiing and park but I didn't vibe with them at all. I don't think I drive skis as much as I think, I miss being able to ski switch every now and then, and I just don't feel as confident on them as I did on the old Kartels.

I want to sell the Wrens now but...do I go Woodsman or do I go back to what I know in a Jeffrey or Moment Wildcat for a daily driver? I fear the Woodsman might still be more Wren-style then Kartel for my centered style even though on paper the Woodsman will do everything I want when going fast on groomers, jumping cat tracks, and shredding low-tide pow days. Thoughts on what to do?

[Doremite]

I had some OG Kartel 106's that I loved everything about and they were my perfect do it all ski. I then sold them and got some Wrenegade 96's as my skiing style evolved to more groomer ripping and side hit blasting with less tree skiing and park but I didn't vibe with them at all. I don't think I drive skis as much as I think, I miss being able to ski switch every now and then, and I just don't feel as confident on them as I did on the old Kartels.

I want to sell the Wrens now but...do I go Woodsman or do I go back to what I know in a Jeffrey or Moment Wildcat for a daily driver? I fear the Woodsman might still be more Wren-style then Kartel for my centered style even though on paper the Woodsman will do everything I want when going fast on groomers, jumping cat tracks, and shredding low-tide pow days. Thoughts on what to do?

To my understanding Woodsmans are more Wren than Kartel/Jeff. I haven’t skied the Kartel or Jeffery but I don’t find a huge difference between the Wren and Woodsman. Differences exist but it is nuanced. I don’t believe the Woodsman was designed to be a go-between of the Wren and Jeffery. More so a slightly more playful, slightly more forgiving Wren. Your Wren dislike problems likely not solved by the Woodsman. Maybe but maybe not.

[Bandit Man]

Woods are a lot closer to Wrens. Go back to Kartel/Jeffrey and find your happy place.

[Ver iz ze money LePowski?]

I know this isn’t necessarily the right thread but I’m looking for some assistance on my jong question and I’m striking out elsewhere.

I am looking to get a 3rd mount on a pair of 191 Bear Claw Billy Goats. 2nd owner. Mount #1 Large Salomon Guardian at 310 bsl. Mount #2 Dynafit Beast 14 at 300 bsl. I’m tired of schlepping the weight around and am looking to mount a pair of alpine bindings on them at 301 bsl. Which alpine binding is going to be my best bet for a final mount? I am just looking for the least overlap and am not tied to any binding. Is there hope or am I fucked? I don’t particularly enjoy skiing the beasts inbounds and these need to see more action than they currently are.


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[Bandit Man]

I know this isn’t necessarily the right thread but I’m looking for some assistance on my jong question and I’m striking out elsewhere.

I am looking to get a 3rd mount on a pair of 191 Bear Claw Billy Goats. 2nd owner. Mount #1 Large Salomon Guardian at 310 bsl. Mount #2 Dynafit Beast 14 at 300 bsl. I’m tired of schlepping the weight around and am looking to mount a pair of alpine bindings on them at 301 bsl. Which alpine binding is going to be my best bet for a final mount? I am just looking for the least overlap and am not tied to any binding. Is there hope or am I fucked? I don’t particularly enjoy skiing the beasts inbounds and these need to see more action than they currently are.


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Download the paper mounting templates for the bindings you are considering and figure it out. That is what I do. I suspect you are going to have the most issues with the toe holes.

[jackattack]

I know this isn’t necessarily the right thread but I’m looking for some assistance on my jong question and I’m striking out elsewhere.

I am looking to get a 3rd mount on a pair of 191 Bear Claw Billy Goats. 2nd owner. Mount #1 Large Salomon Guardian at 310 bsl. Mount #2 Dynafit Beast 14 at 300 bsl. I’m tired of schlepping the weight around and am looking to mount a pair of alpine bindings on them at 301 bsl. Which alpine binding is going to be my best bet for a final mount? I am just looking for the least overlap and am not tied to any binding. Is there hope or am I fucked? I don’t particularly enjoy skiing the beasts inbounds and these need to see more action than they currently are.


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Download this pdf and hide/show the layers you’re interested in to find a reasonable option.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zc7...w?usp=drivesdk

[Chunter]

To my understanding Woodsmans are more Wren than Kartel/Jeff. I haven’t skied the Kartel or Jeffery but I don’t find a huge difference between the Wren and Woodsman. Differences exist but it is nuanced. I don’t believe the Woodsman was designed to be a go-between of the Wren and Jeffery. More so a slightly more playful, slightly more forgiving Wren. Your Wren dislike problems likely not solved by the Woodsman. Maybe but maybe not.

Woods are a lot closer to Wrens. Go back to Kartel/Jeffrey and find your happy place.

Thanks for the help! Think I'm leaning more towards the Wildcats as they seem a little bit more all-mountainy than the Jeffrey's and I like both companies equally enough. Maybe worst case ($-wise) I keep the Wrens also and learn how to make them work.

[fleaches]

I know this isn’t necessarily the right thread but I’m looking for some assistance on my jong question and I’m striking out elsewhere.

I am looking to get a 3rd mount on a pair of 191 Bear Claw Billy Goats. 2nd owner. Mount #1 Large Salomon Guardian at 310 bsl. Mount #2 Dynafit Beast 14 at 300 bsl. I’m tired of schlepping the weight around and am looking to mount a pair of alpine bindings on them at 301 bsl. Which alpine binding is going to be my best bet for a final mount? I am just looking for the least overlap and am not tied to any binding. Is there hope or am I fucked? I don’t particularly enjoy skiing the beasts inbounds and these need to see more action than they currently are.


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If nothing else works, get some demos and mount them wherever you are free from hole issues and adjust both the toe and heel so they are centered for your bsl.

I did this on some Swiss cheese super goats and still have plenty of demo movement for friends to use them.

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[Brasso]

I know this isn’t necessarily the right thread but I’m looking for some assistance on my jong question and I’m striking out elsewhere.

I am looking to get a 3rd mount on a pair of 191 Bear Claw Billy Goats. 2nd owner. Mount #1 Large Salomon Guardian at 310 bsl. Mount #2 Dynafit Beast 14 at 300 bsl. I’m tired of schlepping the weight around and am looking to mount a pair of alpine bindings on them at 301 bsl. Which alpine binding is going to be my best bet for a final mount? I am just looking for the least overlap and am not tied to any binding. Is there hope or am I fucked? I don’t particularly enjoy skiing the beasts inbounds and these need to see more action than they currently are.


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I was eyeballing the Binding Pattern PDF, and it looks like you can mount an FKS/Pivot with no issues. You might have to bump the toe piece forward a couple mm, but the heel piece is totally conflict-free.

[Ver iz ze money LePowski?]

Download this pdf and hide/show the layers you’re interested in to find a reasonable option.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zc7...w?usp=drivesdk

I was eyeballing the Binding Pattern PDF, and it looks like you can mount an FKS/Pivot with no issues. You might have to bump the toe piece forward a couple mm, but the heel piece is totally conflict-free.

Super helpful. Thanks all!


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[ls13]

So after several years of unsuccessfully trying to ski icy steeps and hard bumps with my wider ON3P's, I'm going to stop the self criminations and look for a lower rise low tide resort ski, and save my wider ON3P's for 3d snow days. Any favorites of these on this forum? Thinking J Ski Fast Forward, Armada Declivity 92, etc.