The TGR Skinny Ski Ski Tourers' Refuge Thread

[Climbers Right]

Was the 2019 the slightly longer radius version? I've got the 2018 and it's super soft. Mount is -6.5 though so about as forward as these types of skis get. The other tracers in the line are like -10 though.

[Benneke10]

Just checked, I was talking about the 2020 version. Just looked at the new version and it looks pretty appealing.. 20.5m radius in 172 is one of the longest sidecuts available for a sub-90mm wide ski, good prices available, and the white color is sweet

[NWFlow]

^yeah the price is what got me looking at it. Hopefully the 182 skis short, but if the mount point is actually -6.5 it's maybe worth a shot??

[NWFlow]

But maybe the backland 85 UL is actually what i am looking for

[I've seen black diamonds!]

I have some new MTN Explore 88's in 178 I'd sell for $350 shipped if anyone is interested.

[Climbers Right]

The newer longer radius version of the tracer is intriguing. Longer radius and stiffer than the older version looks nice.
These are going cheap since they are being replaced with the Locator series next year. The teaser says deep, low rocker which would be awesome if combined with a slightly more forward mount for my shitty skiing self. I find that mount point better for getting the tips around and staying balanced in sketchy hop turns. I've tried mounting forward on other skis but then with my very short boot length I've had the sidecut and larger amounts of camber under my heel. To say it feels wrong is an understatement.

For the 88 the specs all line up with the tracer 88 which had a different build from the rest of the tracer series. I'm wondering if they just rebranded that version. Awaiting the rocker photos from somewhere, else I'm getting the tracer 88 as a more peak bagging ski as the $400 price is way more tolerable than $1000+ for the Moonlight skis Benneke10 had me gushing over. That's just too much for a sight unseen/no demo ski for my taste

[Benneke10]

To be clear I have absolutely no experience with Moonlight I’m just curious. The Tracer 88 does look like it could potentially be a poor man’s Moonlight Mission, very similar specs to the 50/50 layup version and I like that the Armada comes in a 172

[NWFlow]

But we haven't determined a mount point? Maybe i should just order a pair at 300 euros and report back. I even have an extra pair of alpinists somewhere that should be mounted on something

[Jeb McHardman]

Anyone have any thoughts on the Scarpa F1 LT vs the La Sportiva Skorpius CR? They seem like two of the best options in the "light but not a skimo boot" category. The F1 is obviously a bit lighter, but I've heard the Skorpius may ski a bit better. Is there a noticeable difference in downhill quality? Is it enough to warrant a 200 g weight penalty? For reference, I'm 5'10", 165 lb and like to ski steep, committing terrain in variable conditions. I would be using the boots with Blizzard Zero G 85s and Hagan Boost 94s for ski mountaineering objectives and long traverses

[Benneke10]

Anyone have any thoughts on the Scarpa F1 LT vs the La Sportiva Skorpius CR? They seem like two of the best options in the "light but not a skimo boot" category. The F1 is obviously a bit lighter, but I've heard the Skorpius may ski a bit better. Is there a noticeable difference in downhill quality? Is it enough to warrant a 200 g weight penalty? For reference, I'm 5'10", 165 lb and like to ski steep, committing terrain in variable conditions. I would be using the boots with Blizzard Zero G 85s and Hagan Boost 94s for ski mountaineering objectives and long traverses

I have owned both, sold the F1 LTs and ski the Skorp exclusively. Scarpas are a little lighter and walk better, but the Skorp fits me a lot better with a tighter midfoot, tighter heel pocket and wider forefoot. The Skorp also has a more progressive flex (prob due to the tongue, which also makes to walk worse). Also the weight difference with stock liners was less than 100g for a 28 F1 LT and 27.5 Skorp (~1100g vs 1200g, I guess I got a heavier pair of scarpas).

[dub_xion]

From everything I’ve read, Skorps can handle just about any width of ski, whereas people skiing the F1 LT on wider (like 100mm+??) feel they’re pushing its limits and keep it to soft snow on wider skis.

Still sussing out my Skorps, but plan on using them for anywhere from 90-122mm skis and not really concerned at all (for bc-only use)

Anyone have any thoughts on the Scarpa F1 LT vs the La Sportiva Skorpius CR? They seem like two of the best options in the "light but not a skimo boot" category. The F1 is obviously a bit lighter, but I've heard the Skorpius may ski a bit better. Is there a noticeable difference in downhill quality? Is it enough to warrant a 200 g weight penalty? For reference, I'm 5'10", 165 lb and like to ski steep, committing terrain in variable conditions. I would be using the boots with Blizzard Zero G 85s and Hagan Boost 94s for ski mountaineering objectives and long traverses

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[tgapp]

From everything I’ve read, Skorps can handle just about any width of ski, whereas people skiing the F1 LT on wider (like 100mm+??) feel they’re pushing its limits and keep it to soft snow on wider skis.

Still sussing out my Skorps, but plan on using them for anywhere from 90-122mm skis and not really concerned at all (for bc-only use)






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Yeah, honestly, they really are different classes of boots. Skorps ski as well as you could realistically want from a touring boot (for my weight and ski ability level anyway), while F1LTs are great-skiing weight weenie boots. No experience with the F1LT but plenty of time (50+ days) on the Alien RS - I love the Alien but would only ski it on sub 100mm skis, and even then, on soft snow. On the other hand, the Skorp is a solid go-anywhere, do-anything boot.

Put another way: the Skorp is a lightweight, highly walkable freeride boot, the F1LT is a race+/speedtour boot that skis well for it's weight class.

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[NWFlow]

I ski the skorpius almost exclusively as well, but would refrain from calling it a freeride boot. It's certainly a step up in ski ability from a pair of Fischer travers i have, but there's a very noticeable speed limit. However, i have been able to ski fairly large skis with them in good conditions. This doesn't work in poor conditions, for me at least. I struggled to get mine to fit and had some warranty issues, but now i love mine.

[Backward_Banana]

I'd echo that. I have skiied: LS Spectre 2.0, ZGTP Scout, Skorpius. Skorpius skis better than the Spectre and walks better (which already walked well). ZGTP doesn't walk nearly as well, but with a tour wrap it skis like a real downhill boot. There's a pretty significant difference between them, in my opinion. Not to say that you can't ski big skis in the Skorpius, but I find myself skiing differently between the two boots. For getting airborne, the ZGTP is the way to be.

Not that I think anyone is arguing that, just wouldn't call the Skorp a freeride boot compared to the full spectrum of boots out there.

[Jeb McHardman]

Thanks for all the input--very helpful. I have other boots (Fischer Ranger Free 130 and ZGT Scout with Tour Wrap) for my bigger skis, so I'm not worried about how this boot will work with anything larger than a 95 waist. I guess what I'm asking is if the F1 is enough boot to enjoyably ski steep, firm snow with relatively skinny and light skis. Clearly a subjective question, but I'm interested in folks experiences

[BFD]

Thanks for all the input--very helpful. I have other boots (Fischer Ranger Free 130 and ZGT Scout with Tour Wrap) for my bigger skis, so I'm not worried about how this boot will work with anything larger than a 95 waist. I guess what I'm asking is if the F1 is enough boot to enjoyably ski steep, firm snow with relatively skinny and light skis. Clearly a subjective question, but I'm interested in folks experiences

I just bought a pair and do not like the forward lean. May take some time to get used to it. But the boot can perform as you asked.

[tgapp]

Not that I think anyone is arguing that, just wouldn't call the Skorp a freeride boot compared to the full spectrum of boots out there.

Nah, this is fair.

I'm also 150lbs and I don't drive the shovels hard usually, so for me, the Skorp does everything I need an aggressive/heavier boot to do.

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[riff]

I’m late to the party but agree with the comparisons here. I’m 180#, and own both the F1LT and Skorp. Skorps are only a bit over 100gr heavier, walk nearly as well, and ski substantially better. Also, no Boa or gaiter to fail on the skorps. I thought I’d keep using my F1LTs occasionally, but turns out not.


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[L82thegate]

Have skied the F1's with Dynastar vertical eagles. Very light ski and 170cm. It's a nice set-up I wouldn't hesitate to ski in steep / challenging conditions given soft snow. On frozen, light and short aren't going to give you love so I keep conditions in mind. Volcano trips are their rightful niche.

[Benneke10]

PSA: Alien RS 27.0 for $220, they look like excellent condition if they've been used at all https://lonepinegearx.com/collection...ski-boot-c739c

[Jeb McHardman]

PSA: Alien RS 27.0 for $220, they look like excellent condition if they've been used at all https://lonepinegearx.com/collection...ski-boot-c739c

Nice. I picked them up. Figured I can pass them on if they don't work out

[CirqueScaler]

Does anyone regularly tour on genuine race bindings? I'm talking <110g bindings like the Plum R99, the ATK World Cups (Revolution or SL), Dynafit/PG or Low Techs, etc.

Wondering if they have durability or usability problems.

[climberevan]

No flat mode, and Ti U-springs are not durable. I have ATK WC SL on a set of smaller skis, but I wouldn't use them daily.

[Jonathan S.]

I never need flat mode in any context, so that is not a concern with full-on race bindings.
Ti heel pin notching though is definitely a drawback. But the new ATK heel pins solve that problem. I would love to use my Hagan-branded race bindings on all my touring setups.
The Dynafit race heel pins are very short. The prior generation thought, before adopting the PG heel, was all metal, and with steel pins swapped in, I've been using them for touring.
Plum R99 definitely not for touring! (The regular Plum race design, definitely yes.)

[climberevan]

Huh. Most of my ski days start and end with 2-3 miles of flat walking. The tiny rise of the race bindings is tolerable with Alien RS, but I'd really like a flat mode and would use those skis a lot more with it.