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[toast2266]

Considering adding a water bottle cage inside the front triangle of a bike that is not designed for this (Canfield Riot). Whether or not even the tiniest bottle will fit is one thing, but does anyone have recommendations for a strap-on water bottle cage that stays put on a mountain bike? What about this Fidlock thing? https://www.jensonusa.com/Fidlock-15...Uni-Base-Smoke

No experience with strap on cages, but if you were feeling ambitious you could put a couple rivnuts in to make a proper bottle mount. I wouldn't worry about drilling a couple holes in the downtube on a frame like the Riot; that thing's burly. You'd probably need to rustle up an angle drill to make the holes though.

[Toddball]

No experience with strap on cages, but if you were feeling ambitious you could put a couple rivnuts in to make a proper bottle mount. I wouldn't worry about drilling a couple holes in the downtube on a frame like the Riot; that thing's burly. You'd probably need to rustle up an angle drill to make the holes though.

I probably will try this if I can track down the tools to do it. Not worried about drilling my frame, just don't want to spend a lot of money on tools I might never use again.

[Danno]

My wife took her Pivot Mach 4 (probably circa 2010) into a shop, they said her brakes were too squishy and old for them to be able to do anything, and new brakes would be $600.

That seems utterly insane to me. I'm wondering if they saw high end brakes (maybe XT?) on her bike and priced out new XT brakes? Surely there are more affordable options to keep a 12 year old bike on the trail, right?

EDIT: I'm not specifically asking for what brakes she should get, just trying to figure out if the shop is completely off base (ie go to another shop) or if getting replacement brakes for a 12 yo bike, albeit one that was high end back then, really should cost anywhere near $600.

[SKIP IN7RO]

My wife took her Pivot Mach 4 (probably circa 2010) into a shop, they said her brakes were too squishy and old for them to be able to do anything, and new brakes would be $600.

That seems utterly insane to me. I'm wondering if they saw high end brakes (maybe XT?) on her bike and priced out new XT brakes? Surely there are more affordable options to keep a 12 year old bike on the trail, right?

Magura MT5 and maybe upgrade to the HC if those levers suit her style more

[VTskibum]

Danno that’s insane! I have a bunch of brakes from that age w a ton of miles still running great. You should be able to find many new or used 2-piston brakes for a fraction of that depending on how much you want to spend.

Running some cheapo 2 piston Shimanos on my dirt jumper I got for $125.


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[smmokan]

My wife took her Pivot Mach 4 (probably circa 2010) into a shop, they said her brakes were too squishy and old for them to be able to do anything, and new brakes would be $600.

That seems utterly insane to me. I'm wondering if they saw high end brakes (maybe XT?) on her bike and priced out new XT brakes? Surely there are more affordable options to keep a 12 year old bike on the trail, right?

EDIT: I'm not specifically asking for what brakes she should get, just trying to figure out if the shop is completely off base (ie go to another shop) or if getting replacement brakes for a 12 yo bike, albeit one that was high end back then, really should cost anywhere near $600.

Let me guess, U-bikes?

You can find plenty of decent brake sets for under $300 for her bike. $600 is just them trying to take advantage of you.

[teledad]

My wife took her Pivot Mach 4 (probably circa 2010) into a shop, they said her brakes were too squishy and old for them to be able to do anything, and new brakes would be $600.

That seems utterly insane to me. I'm wondering if they saw high end brakes (maybe XT?) on her bike and priced out new XT brakes? Surely there are more affordable options to keep a 12 year old bike on the trail, right?

EDIT: I'm not specifically asking for what brakes she should get, just trying to figure out if the shop is completely off base (ie go to another shop) or if getting replacement brakes for a 12 yo bike, albeit one that was high end back then, really should cost anywhere near $600.

It doesn't seem that far off, assuming they were going to replace the rotors as well. A new set of XT brakes (levers+calipers) are around $400, another $100 for rotors, $100 for service (mostly shortening cables and rebleeding unless her bike has internal routing for the rear). SLX will be around $100 less. You could drop down to something like Alivio to save money but that'll be a big drop in performance from 2010 era XT (which I think would have been M775).

[Danno]

smmokan, nope, Sports Garage.

She's not a hard charger, she rarely rides and hasn't had to replace anything ever I think, and sinking 600 into parts for a bike that old seems silly. Good to know that there are cheaper options, just like I suspected (and told her). But this is her deal, I'll just pass the info along.

[J. Barron DeJong]

My wife took her Pivot Mach 4 (probably circa 2010) into a shop, they said her brakes were too squishy and old for them to be able to do anything, and new brakes would be $600.

That seems utterly insane to me. I'm wondering if they saw high end brakes (maybe XT?) on her bike and priced out new XT brakes? Surely there are more affordable options to keep a 12 year old bike on the trail, right?

EDIT: I'm not specifically asking for what brakes she should get, just trying to figure out if the shop is completely off base (ie go to another shop) or if getting replacement brakes for a 12 yo bike, albeit one that was high end back then, really should cost anywhere near $600.

New Deore M6100 brakes can be found for under $100 per end online, probably $120 from the shop though. Rotors may not have to be replaced if they aren’t too worn/warped, and as long as the brake track is wide enough for the new pads.

Are shops charging $100 to install pre-bled brakes these days? Fuck me. (And yeah, I know they need to be cut and likely re-bled, but still….)

[El Chupacabra]

AFAIK Alfine brakes just have a longer lever, but same master cylinder and caliper as SLX. So here's a cheap option:

https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...s.php?id=75189

[toast2266]

My wife took her Pivot Mach 4 (probably circa 2010) into a shop, they said her brakes were too squishy and old for them to be able to do anything, and new brakes would be $600.

That seems utterly insane to me. I'm wondering if they saw high end brakes (maybe XT?) on her bike and priced out new XT brakes? Surely there are more affordable options to keep a 12 year old bike on the trail, right?

EDIT: I'm not specifically asking for what brakes she should get, just trying to figure out if the shop is completely off base (ie go to another shop) or if getting replacement brakes for a 12 yo bike, albeit one that was high end back then, really should cost anywhere near $600.

What brakes are currently on the bike? I have a hard time believing a bleed and some fresh pads wouldn't get the brakes back to being reasonably functional.

[Danno]

What brakes are currently on the bike? I have a hard time believing a bleed and some fresh pads wouldn't get the brakes back to being reasonably functional.

Don't know, don't have the bike, but they're whatever came stock in 2010 for a bike that maybe retailed for 4k?

[Dantheman]

What brakes are currently on the bike? I have a hard time believing a bleed and some fresh pads wouldn't get the brakes back to being reasonably functional.

Sounds like the old brakes are XTs. I too have a hard time believing that 2010 XTs that haven't been ridden that much wouldn't be totally fine with a bleed and new pads, at least for someone who rides like Danno's wife.

[skaredshtles]

Sounds like the old brakes are XTs. I too have a hard time believing that 2010 XTs that haven't been ridden that much wouldn't be totally fine with a bleed and new pads, at least for someone who rides like Danno's wife.

I'm agreeing with this... shop probably doesn't want to futz with them because there's always the possibility that they'll open a can of worms if they fuck with them.

[XXX-er]

My wife took her Pivot Mach 4 (probably circa 2010) into a shop, they said her brakes were too squishy and old for them to be able to, do anything, and new brakes would be $600.

That seems utterly insane to me. I'm wondering if they saw high end brakes (maybe XT?) on her bike and priced out new XT brakes? Surely there are more affordable options to keep a 12 year old bike on the trail, right?

EDIT: I'm not specifically asking for what brakes she should get, just trying to figure out if the shop is completely off base (ie go to another shop) or if getting replacement brakes for a 12 yo bike, albeit one that was high end back then, really should cost anywhere near $600.

I could probably make them work so could more than a few reading this but for how long ?

maybe the shop doesnt wana work on a 12yr old set of brakes and have to guaranty the fix, can you really blame them ?

so the shop quotes high, hopes she goes somewhere else or maybe sell her new brakes which they can guarranty

but the shop can't afford to lose money is my take

[muted reborn]

I could probably make them work so could more than a few reading this but for how long ?

maybe the shop doesnt wana work on a 12yr old set of brakes and have to guaranty the fix, can you really blame them ?

so the shop quotes high, hopes she goes somewhere else or maybe sell her new brakes which they can guarranty

but the shop can't afford to lose money is my take

No, the shop is run by a bunch of clowns, this all could be worked out and explained easily to the customer and also different options can be given too if they cared about this foreign concept of 'customer service'.

Also women often get treated differently in bike shops very very often, they might have targeted her as a sucker.

[Jtlange]

smmokan, nope, Sports Garage.

She's not a hard charger, she rarely rides and hasn't had to replace anything ever I think, and sinking 600 into parts for a bike that old seems silly. Good to know that there are cheaper options, just like I suspected (and told her). But this is her deal, I'll just pass the info along.

Thats pretty surprising for them. I find them to be really straight shooters typically.

[XXX-er]

who knows what they really said and what she actulay heard or what the brakes actualy look like after 12 yrs ?

[Dee Hubbs]

Rear Brake Flush and Bleed 45 mins
Front Brake Flush and Bleed 45 mins
Pad Install 24 mins
Test ride and bed in brakes 10 mins.
So we are at 124 mins of labour at minimum, national average is $83.51/ hour.
Labor is $172.58
Shop consumables = $3.45
Brake pads Front $36
Brake Pads Rear $36

So $250 at minimum to service the brakes.
Add another $90 for rotors if needed.
So $340 with rotors.

Most likely why they quoted a replacement, you're more than halfway towards new brakes of equal level (old XT for new XT).

[simple]

who knows what they really said and what she actulay heard or what the brakes actualy look like after 12 yrs ?

This guy gets it. Danno needs to spend some big money to keep his Boulder status. Buy a new bike. Saw one at the shop for $12,900 the other day. Not even an ebike

[MTT]

No shit.
I need a ride from Verdi Nevada to the Salt Lake City airport. Right now

I have to be driven there. Right now!!! I will pay cash. Not kidding

[rideit]

I would just get some SLX or Deore, depending on how aggro she is.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Rear Brake Flush and Bleed 45 mins
Front Brake Flush and Bleed 45 mins
Pad Install 24 mins
Test ride and bed in brakes 10 mins.
So we are at 124 mins of labour at minimum, national average is $83.51/ hour.
Labor is $172.58
Shop consumables = $3.45
Brake pads Front $36
Brake Pads Rear $36

So $250 at minimum to service the brakes.
Add another $90 for rotors if needed.
So $340 with rotors.

Most likely why they quoted a replacement, you're more than halfway towards new brakes of equal level (old XT for new XT).

Are people actually paying shops $250 every time they need some new pads and a bleed?

Like, if I buy a Specialized Rockhopper for $800, and I go back to the shop for service two years later and they tell me it’s going to be $250 just to replace the brake pads, I’m going to wonder WTF they’re smoking.

[XXX-er]

This guy gets it. Danno needs to spend some big money to keep his Boulder status. Buy a new bike. Saw one at the shop for $12,900 the other day. Not even an ebike

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Yes, my experiance as a result of reading the " I love my wife but JHC " followed by " Tammy Wynette " threads, has-been husband experiance, also dealing with literally thousands maybe tens of thousands of mostly female HW end losers in another life


another thing to consider is that a new set of brakes is going to be a generational leap in performance over a 12 yr old set of brakes, a new bike will shift a generation better, big wheels will roll over stuff easier, everything about a new bike will be a generation better SO I agree a new bike is probably what is needed


but then new bike procurment will also be problematic for the reasons listed somewhere in " I love my wife but " and/ or the tammy Wynette thread

[VTskibum]

Not sure I agree w the generationally better. Yes 4 piston XT are light years stronger than 2 piston XTs, but old serviced XT vs new (2 piston) XT isn’t really an improvement.

Am running XTRs m985 race circa 2011? And they feel amazing, clearly not as powerful as even my new 4pot Deores, but modulation and all is great for it’s intended purpose on my XC singlespeed.


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