Ukraine

[dunfree]

Russian soldiers just don't want to fight for Putin, and have seemingly created a culture of inflating combat readiness morale etc to please superiors, all the way up.

think of it as a pyramid of graft going all the way up. Putin steals tens of billions, the oligarchs steal billions , the generals millions, the officers thousands, the conscripts time. Everyone robbing the future for today

[liv2ski]

I was watching a Bill Maher re-run last night and he reminded me of how the West fucked up our opportunity at having a solid relationship with Russia when communism finally collapsed. If there are major changes in Russia down the road (Putin's dead) I sure hope the West will this time open up a dialogue and aid to/with Russia to help it get away from its isolationist past, open up and join the rest of the free world.
The example Bill made was how shitty Germany was treated after WWI which gave us Hitler to how we treated Germany & Japan after WWII which gave us great democratic partners.
Once this is done with, I hope we can bring Russia into the fold of free and democratic countries.

[rideit]

For a few years at least.
.

I have always heard that phrase as dripping with pathos, as in, ‘sleeping with the devil’.
An Ill-fated marriage of convenience.

[MakersTeleMark]

I have always heard that phrase as dripping with pathos, as in, ‘sleeping with the devil’.
An Ill-fated marriage of convenience.

Is it OK if I root for Auburn even though I don't give a shit about football?

[rideit]

I dunno, is the co-ed looking for a daddy figure stacked and hot?

[frorider]

I tried to explain this to a Republican friend this weekend while discussing Ukraine. He looked at me like I am some crazy liberal radical.

Shrug.

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It’s a simple matter of public record, and has nothing to do with liberal politics. If I’m in one of those conversations, I’ll ask if they are in the mood to have a discussion based on established facts that have received bipartisan review. If they hesitate to say Yes, then I’ll change the subject.

I’ve had mixed success :lol:

[SumJongGuy]

I tried to explain this to a Republican friend this weekend while discussing Ukraine. He looked at me like I am some crazy liberal radical.

Shrug.

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Ask them about that "perfect" phone call about "the favor".

[oldnew_guy]

Really good On The Media on NPR discussing Ukraine. Discussed Open source intelligence via public satellite and social media, white nationalist connections, what Putin means when we says he is going to deNazify Ukraine, etc.

Worth a listen.

[Benny Profane]

I was watching a Bill Maher re-run last night and he reminded me of how the West fucked up our opportunity at having a solid relationship with Russia when communism finally collapsed. If there are major changes in Russia down the road (Putin's dead) I sure hope the West will this time open up a dialogue and aid to/with Russia to help it get away from its isolationist past, open up and join the rest of the free world.
The example Bill made was how shitty Germany was treated after WWI which gave us Hitler to how we treated Germany & Japan after WWII which gave us great democratic partners.
Once this is done with, I hope we can bring Russia into the fold of free and democratic countries.

Well, look what we're doing to the sub human Afghanistan citizens right now, It's fucking criminal. We owe those people reparations, and we just took all their money to pay 9/11 "victims", We deserve another Bin Laden.

[MontuckyFried]

Upcoming South Park episode has Putin in it. This should be good...

https://youtu.be/5yWVhcPd0xY

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[MontuckyFried]

Apparently the premise is he's mad he can't get a boner since he's getting older so has to take over a country to get hard. Or something like that.

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[leroy jenkins]

I have always heard that phrase as dripping with pathos, as in, ‘sleeping with the devil’.
An Ill-fated marriage of convenience.

It so often is, but it can be just beautifully simple, perhaps in more ideological terms.

The enemy of authoritarianism is the friend of freedom. I guess thats pretty philosophical and mastubatory rather than tactical and practical, but I think it only gets really murky when its like, any enemy of any threat to me is worth supplying with weapons.

[leroy jenkins]

Upcoming South Park episode has Putin in it. This should be good...

https://youtu.be/5yWVhcPd0xY

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Ahh of course it does. It will be relaxing at least to see these real world problems reduced down to cartoon yucks with an icing of satire.



So in regards to actual strategic goals Putin might accomplish, cutting Ukraine off from the sea seems likely. It seems obvious to me now, but you gotta get your head into the mindset of putin that just hurting ukraine is the objective, even if russia doesn't gain from a few more miles of coastline and already have ports, I do think there is natural gas in the southwest of the country though, so perhaps some of the areas he could take.

[rideit]

Maybe Benny deserves some poverty?

[leroy jenkins]

I don't like to chime in on these kinds of arguments, but this is legitimately a fucked up thing to write.

No one deserves terrorism.

Or that kind of fashion sense.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I don't like to chime in on these kinds of arguments, but this is legitimately a fucked up thing to write.

No one deserves terrorism.

Be sure to vote!


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[KQ]

Random thought:

Wonder what Kim Jong-un thinks about this whole thing.

[highangle]

I was watching a Bill Maher re-run last night and he reminded me of how the West fucked up our opportunity at having a solid relationship with Russia when communism finally collapsed. If there are major changes in Russia down the road (Putin's dead) I sure hope the West will this time open up a dialogue and aid to/with Russia to help it get away from its isolationist past, open up and join the rest of the free world.
The example Bill made was how shitty Germany was treated after WWI which gave us Hitler to how we treated Germany & Japan after WWII which gave us great democratic partners.
Once this is done with, I hope we can bring Russia into the fold of free and democratic countries.

I guess Yeltsin shouldn't have tapped a fucking KGB guy to succeed him, then?

[4matic]

$6 prints on gasoline here. It is transition season so that adds to it.

[dunfree]

No one deserves terrorism.

You can’t imagine Benny on an eternal bullwheel?

[huckbucket]

VISA and Mastercard out. Cards won't work there and any card issued there won't work anywhere else in the world. Guess it's Amex or nothing.

[dunfree]

VISA and Mastercard out. Cards won't work there and any card issued there won't work anywhere else in the world. Guess it's Amex or nothing.

what about discover?

[dunfree]

I guess Yeltsin shouldn't have tapped a fucking KGB guy to succeed him, then?

before that the us didn’t bend the place over to Chicago boys who decided that turning profits into yachts and soccer players and art not in Russia would magically benefit average Russians

[frorider]

I don't like to chime in on these kinds of arguments, but this is legitimately a fucked up thing to write.

No one deserves terrorism.

Old guy yelling at cloud = we ignore him

Bless his heart.

[Flounder]

$6 prints on gasoline here. It is transition season so that adds to it.

After getting stuck with 10 other cars behind a bro dozer going 45-50 today and flooring it whenever you could pass, I’m ready for $8 gas to get those shitheads off the road. If it helps fuck Putin, even better.