Ukraine

[4matic]

I don't understand what the end game is with sanctions. Do we let up sanctions if Putin magically withdrawals all troops?Does Russia need to pay reparations before sanctions are removed? Do we wait for regime change? Does the west even want to deal with a power vacuum in a Nuclear armed Russia?

I heard today that 25% of the worlds wheat comes from Ukraine and Russia. Commodity prices for food are going to go through the roof and there is a very real risk of famine in Africa and the middle east.

We will let them sell commodities at some point as long as it's unconditional.

[uglymoney]

No reason to go politics in this thread
But it should not be lost on you that a government with to much control created these oligarchs and the situation we are currently discussing here.

It isn't lost on me that we were a few votes away from becoming another Russian like autocracy. And Trump is still walking free. And Musk is trying to assert his greatness.

Democracy is fragile and these men of massive wealth are more than happy to take the reins of power from the people. They are in fact the ones pushing for less power by the people because they want to fill the vacuum.

Putin is illustrating to the less imaginous among us how dangerous this actual is. So no. I'm absolutely not going to celebrate Musks dickwave.

America made him great, and let his industrial genius shine. Because we are a land of laws and competitive capitalists that have to live within those laws, created by the people. Not the other way around.

Fuck him.

[leroy jenkins]

I don't understand what the end game is with sanctions. Do we let up sanctions if Putin magically withdrawals all troops?Does Russia need to pay reparations before sanctions are removed? Do we wait for regime change? Does the west even want to deal with a power vacuum in a Nuclear armed Russia?

I heard today that 25% of the worlds wheat comes from Ukraine and Russia. Commodity prices for food are going to go through the roof and there is a very real risk of famine in Africa and the middle east.

Putins got to pay for this war somehow.

[highangle]

Putins got to pay for this war somehow.

1. Gulag demonstrators and set them to work in the mines - free raw materials
2. Make skilled factory workers work for Imperial Food Credits - free armaments
3. Bomb Baby Bomb
4. Profit!!!

[KQ]

As Russia is trying to cut off the flow of information in Ukraine by attacking its communications infrastructure, British news outlet BBC is revisiting a broadcasting tactic popularized during World War II: shortwave radio.
The BBC said this week that it would use radio frequencies that can travel for long distances and be accessible on portable radios to broadcast its World Service news in English for four hours a day in Kyiv, the Ukrainian capital, and in parts of Russia.

“It’s often said truth is the first casualty of war,” Tim Davie, director-general of the BBC, said in a statement. “In a conflict where disinformation and propaganda is rife, there is a clear need for factual and independent news people can trust.”

[billyk]

Wonder how many people in Ukraine (or anywhere else, for that matter) have access to a shortwave receiver to listen to those broadcasts. I have one sitting on a shelf somewhere, but I’m a kook.

[MTT]

I don’t think a majority of people globally really trust established mass media outlets

That would be great if the bbc were to broadcast truth to power. But why would they be trusted even when saying things you like hearing.

Kinda sad that they destroyed their credibility and now when needed??

[rideit]

WTF? How and when did the BBC ruin their credibility? Yellowcake?

[MTT]

Let see what happens. I think many have access to internet that is not over filtered.

I don’t believe we live in an age where a government can stop the quick flow of information among a population.

There will be information right wrong and all the sublties in between

People will figure it out. What they do with it will be interesting to discover

[rideit]

Have you heard of China, (now) Russia, Cuba, Myanmar, North Korea?

[eleeskiing]

he is just another power hungry mushroom headed dick oligarch. Fuck him. when they start pulling the purse strings of history with nobody to account to, their power must be checked down by the people.
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I come here for the information. I stay for the prose.
Ugly money, I know you’re talking about Elon here, but it really could describe any mushroom headed dick (Or “crazy baldhead’ as it were) sociopathic penis compensator, from Bezos to Rumsfield to, the most sociopathic of all, Vladimir Pud-tin.

KQ, sending love to your friend and her family.

[huckbucket]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/02/energ...ion/index.html

This is the most accurate discussion I have seen on what’s really happening with oil prices. Buckle up boys and girls it’s going to get expensive. Big oil has absolutely no incentive to increase production. They are making more money by doing nothing.


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Maybe book those airlines tickets now ....

[bigdude2468]

Maybe book those airlines tickets now ....

The oil rig count would seem to indicate they are punching holes in the ground. As of earlier this week the rig count was 650, up 247 from one year ago..

[Benny Profane]

I'm reminded of the old saying, Sam Colt made all men equal, but, maybe it should be changed to Oppenheimer instead.

[Casey E]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/04/b...formation.html

Past the paywall:

“In much of the world, Russia is losing the information war over Ukraine. In China, though, it’s winning big.”

“Hours after Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, the Chinese Communist Party tabloid, Global Times, posted a video saying that a large number of Ukrainian soldiers had laid down their arms. Its source: the Russian state-controlled television network, RT.

Two days later, China’s state broadcaster Central Television Station (CCTV) flashed a breaking news alert, quoting Russia’s parliamentary speaker, that President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine had fled Kyiv. CCTV then created a related hashtag on the Twitter-like platform Weibo that was viewed 510 million times and used by 163 media outlets in the country.

On Feb. 28, as Russia became an international pariah, the Russian state-owned news agency Sputnik shared a message of strength with its 11 million Weibo followers. The Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman, Sputnik said, said Russia still had friends in the world, especially “a real giant” like China.

“Add oil, Russia,” Sputnik’s Weibo follower @fengyiqing cheered on, using a Chinese expression of support. “All the people in the world who love justice are friends of Russia.”

In 2015, Mr. Xi and Mr. Putin decided the two countries should strengthen their cooperation in media. Since then, they’ve held a Sino-Russian media forum each year, aiming to “redefine the map of the international discourse.”

Last November, a RT executive said at the forum that major Chinese media outlets quoted RT.com on average 2,500 times a week in 2021..

The fog of disinformation thickens when Chinese state media portrays Russia’s war as an anti-fascism effort. After Russia’s defense minister announced this week that his country would host the first international anti-fascism conference in August, the CCTV posted a one-paragraph story, then created a Weibo hashtag. Within 24 hours, it had 650 million views and was used by 90 media outlets. Many commenters called Ukraine and the United States fascist countries.

Chinese media is also propagating Russian disinformation that Ukraine has been using civilians as human shields. In its prime-time news program on Feb. 26, CCTV quoted President Putin as making that allegation. A few days later the nationalistic news site, guancha.com, ran a banner headline that said the Russian military was going only after military targets, while the Ukrainian military was using civilians as human shields.

Taken collectively, Chinese online users are seeing a quite different war from much of the world.

While videos circulated outside China purportedly showing Ukrainians’ kind treatment of Russian prisoners of war, the trending social media topic in China was that captured Russians had endured Nazi-like torture. Both CCTV and the People’s Daily, the official newspaper of the Communist Party, created hashtags echoing the same, based on a briefing by the Russian defense ministry. They had combined views of more than 200 million.”

And so on….



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[leroy jenkins]

It isn't lost on me that we were a few votes away from becoming another Russian like autocracy. And Trump is still walking free. And Musk is trying to assert his greatness.

Democracy is fragile and these men of massive wealth are more than happy to take the reins of power from the people. They are in fact the ones pushing for less power by the people because they want to fill the vacuum.

Putin is illustrating to the less imaginous among us how dangerous this actual is. So no. I'm absolutely not going to celebrate Musks dickwave.

America made him great, and let his industrial genius shine. Because we are a land of laws and competitive capitalists that have to live within those laws, created by the people. Not the other way around.

Fuck him.

And biden has criminilized dissent.

Oh thats right if you're scared of Trump you're supposed to not be scared of Biden. Thats how they take our freedoms. Left, Right, Left right left, on to tyranny.

[glademaster]

Shut the fuck up, you fucking moron.

[dunfree]

And biden has criminilized dissent.

Oh thats right if you're scared of Trump you're supposed to not be scared of Biden. Thats how they take our freedoms. Left, Right, Left right left, on to tyranny.

can you republicans for one fucking second realize how fucking stupid you are? You little bitches are whining about masks while they are dieing, you gun fondling limp dicked performative grievance narcissist.

[rod9301]

I'm reminded of the old saying, Sam Colt made all men equal, but, maybe it should be changed to Oppenheimer instead.

What's your point?

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[Benny Profane]

Dur.

[huckbucket]

Shit. Even I got Bunny’s point … and it’s a good one.

[huckbucket]

can you republicans for one fucking second realize how fucking stupid you are? You little bitches are whining about masks while they are dieing, you gun fondling limp dicked performative grievance narcissist.

Can we please criminalize stupidity?

[Benny Profane]

Well, they couldn't cancel Rogan, but now they have a distant war to go full retard over. It's not what you say anymore, it's what you refuse to say to make the morals police happy.

https://jonathanturley.org/2022/03/0...condemn-putin/

[leroy jenkins]

can you republicans for one fucking second realize how fucking stupid you are? You little bitches are whining about masks while they are dieing, you gun fondling limp dicked performative grievance narcissist.

Republican? Who are you even talking to? (looks over shoulder) I've never voted anything but dem in my entire life.


Man, proving my point.

I really cannot understand how anyone in this country can just fear the other side of the political spectrum, and not the growing bipartisan support of authoritarianism. They get you to cheer losing your rights because you think you're 'winning' over the 'other side' when in fact we are all losing.

[dunfree]

Shit. Even I got Bunny’s point … and it’s a good one.

nukes only matter if you can deliver them, and right now it should be obvious that russias ability to deliver them is questionable. Yeah, Russia can murder civilians, pay dipshits to feed bunny’s propaganda, but actual war?