Ukraine

[riser4]

I do love me daily kos. https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/...tail=emaildkre

[toast2266]

And then theirs this

It doesn’t say anything to me about what is happening in Ukraine just makes me question anything on mass media. I did not run it down but when I do. It’s almost always true
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What mass media outlet reused / relabelled the Serbia picture?

[frorider]

I do love me daily kos. https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/...tail=emaildkre

That’s just a cut and paste of the Politico interview we discussed a few pages back.

For a hot second I thought daily kos was relevant again.

[LeeLau]

used russian t-72 tank fully functional

[frorider]

“I know what I’ve got, no lowballs “

[highangle]

I was an avid WWII buff growing up. I read everything I could get my hands on. When Russsia was allowed to go into Georgia, it made me think of Europes response to Hitler going into the Sudetland (none) Austria (none) and Poland (with the Russians!)( effectively none). Appeasement empowered Hitler. Nobody wanted war 20 years after WWI ended. Appeasement got them WWII.

I dont know what the answer is at this point. It appears Putin might have bitten off more than Russia can chew in Ukraine. Ukraine may bleed the Russian army and Putin's ability to stay in power.

Perhaps little green men is the way to go.

I am wondering if some of the west's standoff guided munitions can be fitted to the Soviet era aircraft the Ukraniand posess. That 40 mile russian convoy would be smoking char if the U.S.A could unleash the Apaches and A 10s along with a couple of B 52 flights standing off letting munitions fly.

Clearly the Ukranians dont have equipment to mimic A10s and Apaches, but do they have any old russian Bears that can be equipped to drop smart bombs from standoff positions? I doubt it, and the Bears are 65 or 70 year old prop planes that must make the easiest targets ever created for any anti air system. It just seems if the west could Jerry rig a couple of delivery wagons to offload 50 tons of munitions, it could really impact the next few weeks of this war.

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As summit already pointed out, that column has lots of SAMs and AA and manpads defending it from the air.

Were I attacking it, I'd start with hellfire and EW drones on wild weasel missions, concentrating on the front of the column and at any resupply efforts. With enough assets, I could essentially lay siege to that column through rasputitsa, and maybe even starve them to the point they abandon their mission and their equipment.

I wonder how difficult it is to make decoy drones? Run'em out of surface to air assets...keep them inside their coffins 24/7...

[KQ]

I haven't read this thread and I'm trying to not get myself mired in a pattern of overconsuming info as I've done in the past with other things like politics, the pandemic, weather events etc. etc. because it's proven to adversly affect my health. That said, if these haven't already been posted here or they were and some have missed them perhaps you might give them a read.

Fiona Hill: Putin tried to warn Trump he would go nuclear, but Trump didn't understand the warning

Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, though, is not mostly about NATO, in Hill’s assessment. It’s not even entirely about restoring the borders of the Soviet Union. Hill thinks Putin is looking back further in time.

“I’ve kind of quipped about this, but I also worry about it in all seriousness—Putin’s been down in the archives of the Kremlin during COVID looking through old maps and treaties and all the different borders that Russia has had over the centuries,” she said.

“He’s said, repeatedly, that Russian and European borders have changed many times. And in his speeches, he’s gone after various former Russian and Soviet leaders, he’s gone after Lenin and he’s gone after the communists, because in his view they ruptured the Russian empire, they lost Russian lands in the revolution, and yes, Stalin brought some of them back into the fold again, like the Baltic States and some of the lands of Ukraine that had been divided up during World War II, but they were lost again with the dissolution of the USSR. Putin’s view is that borders change, and so the borders of the old Russian imperium are still in play for Moscow to dominate now.”

Domination doesn’t necessarily mean occupying or annexing another country. “You can establish dominance by marginalizing regional countries, by making sure that their leaders are completely dependent on Moscow, either by Moscow practically appointing them through rigged elections or ensuring they are tethered to Russian economic and political and security networks,” Hill noted. “You can see this now across the former Soviet space,” including Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Belarus, with Ukraine being “the country that got away.”

Putin’s determination to break Ukraine could mean occupation, but, Hill said, “What Putin wants isn’t necessarily to occupy the whole country, but really to divide it up. He’s looked at Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and other places where there’s a division of the country between the officially sanctioned forces on the one hand, and the rebel forces on the other. That’s something that Putin could definitely live with—a fractured, shattered Ukraine with different bits being in different statuses.”

The Russia Hawk in the White House
Nobody ever expected Fiona Hill to become a Trump adviser. She ended up staying far longer than anyone predicted — including her.


‘Yes, He Would’: Fiona Hill on Putin and Nukes

Hill spent many years studying history, and in our conversation, she repeatedly traced how long arcs and trends of European history are converging on Ukraine right now. We are already, she said, in the middle of a third World War, whether we’ve fully grasped it or not.

“Sadly, we are treading back through old historical patterns that we said that we would never permit to happen again,” Hill told me.

Those old historical patterns include Western businesses who fail to see how they help build a tyrant’s war chest, admirers enamored of an autocrat’s “strength” and politicians’ tendency to point fingers inward for political gain instead of working together for their nation’s security.

But at the same time, Hill says it’s not too late to turn Putin back, and it’s a job not just for the Ukrainians or for NATO — it’s a job that ordinary Westerners and companies can assist in important ways once they grasp what’s at stake.

GAK! I think my BP is up already! I'm out! Enjoy reading.

[MTT]

Interesting conversation going on in congress right now related to our rules of engagement

A reference and comparison to 1948 Berlin was brought up. That goes to some interesting places

We deliver anything we want to Ukraine on Ukrainian soil if Russia shoot’s at Americans in Ukraine Russia is declaring was on the USA or nato.

Would they do that?

[Mazderati]

Of course the smooth brain doesn't address his shitpost and moves on to another shitpost.

[MTT]

Apparently he was in Kyiv to document the invasion?

https://www.newsmax.com/world/global...Anjuyq9vkKLhWw

[jono]

I'd start duct taping pow's to lampposts in Kyiv and Kharkiv if it was me.

Reason # 453645 I'm not in charge.

This makes two of us. Maybe best we aren't in charge, but if ever there was a time to justify human shields I think this is it.

Keep letting them talk to their moms, though. And their friends, and their neighbors and....

[MTT]

What mass media outlet reused / relabelled the Serbia picture?

I asked for that very thing. Exactly where did that meme come from?

[ex-powderbroker]

From the Russians, da

[rideit]

“China, do you copy? Over.”

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[MTT]

The cheap Russian ammunition has officially dried up. I was going to buy some, it was 25c more per round than last week and there was not much

So we’re back to that mess again

[ex-powderbroker]

vibes bro. freedom isn’t free as they say

[Yukonrider]

We deliver anything we want to Ukraine on Ukrainian soil if Russia shoot’s at Americans in Ukraine Russia is declaring was on the USA or nato.

Or what if this no-fly zone actually passes and we shoot down a Russian jet

In my mind that, or the opposite would lead to a shooting war between NATO and Rus. Something we DO NOT want.

[frorider]

South Africa sanctions resulted in Mandela’s election, let’s force Russia to name Navalny prez.

[frorider]

The cheap Russian ammunition has officially dried up. I was going to buy some, it was 25c more per round than last week and there was not much

So we’re back to that mess again

Have you tried Molotov cocktails instead? Less range, but…

[LHutz Esq]

Interesting conversation going on in congress right now related to our rules of engagement

A reference and comparison to 1948 Berlin was brought up. That goes to some interesting places

We deliver anything we want to Ukraine on Ukrainian soil if Russia shoot’s at Americans in Ukraine Russia is declaring was on the USA or nato.

Would they do that?

I am morbidly interested in this as well actually.

So hypothetically - there is a big line of Russian equipment etc.

The Turkish drones seem to be doing an effective job in blowing up Russian things.

Presumably the US drones are better.

US seems willing to send arms to UA, give them real time intel on troops movements and what not and to assist in the training of their troops - but not "engage in a conflict" with Russian forces as Biden said in the STOTUS speech.

US drones are arms, while an American flying one from wherever they do that sort of thing would be likely be engaging in a conflict with Russian troops. Would an American say training a Ukrainian pilot in real time how to fly one be engaging in a conflict?

War is fuzzy and what not.

[MTT]

Russia President/ Prime minister. They have both. There were term limits on both
Putin has been both. President and prime minister. But he’s always the one calling the shots. Am I getting that right?

And he installs the president of neighbors countries so they do what he says. Until Ukraine. And now we get this

[MTT]

I think US drones being operated by a usaf gammer in Fallon NV. Is a fair target cuz it don’t bleed.

But can the Russians look at a drone blowing up Russians in Ukraine be interpreted as USA attacking Russia

Like fire up the nukes. Start sinking each other’s shipping in international waters. Fucking war.

I won’t be surprised if we do the drone thing. I’m sure Russia is operating drones from outside the Ukraine.

We really crossed this line anyway when we voted to supply Ukraine with arms in 2014. To fight separatists in Crimea. = to fight Russians in Ukraine

[jackattack]

Apparently he was in Kyiv to document the invasion?

https://www.newsmax.com/world/global...Anjuyq9vkKLhWw

Does anyone have eyes on Louis ck? How was the show????

[Falcon3]

Russia President/ Prime minister. They have both. There were term limits on both
Putin has been both. President and prime minister. But he’s always the one calling the shots. Am I getting that right?

And he installs the president of neighbors countries so they do what he says. Until Ukraine. And now we get this

Correct. Putin and Dmitry Medvedev have been swapping back and forth for a long time, before Putin had consolidated enough power for the legislature to basically grant him a lifetime position, but the real power has always been Putin. Medvedev is a puppet riding his coattails.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-putins-batman

[ill-advised strategy]

The cheap Russian ammunition has officially dried up. I was going to buy some, it was 25c more per round than last week and there was not much

So we’re back to that mess again

Hot Russian mail order brides are also skyrocketing