Ukraine

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I’m enjoying all the posters here that are calling for immediate military intervention. How many of you have been in combat? I know there’s a few including myself. I doubt that those calling for intervention have been in combat and won’t be heading over there if it comes to that.


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[ex-powderbroker]

Fuck Putin:
https://twitter.com/joelmgunter/stat...19377328504835

[rideit]

the resistance is spreading:
https://twitter.com/tadeuszgiczan/st...521602560?s=21

Turkey also denied requests for a couple of warships to pass...

Erdogon is a shit-weasel.

[Timberridge]

Can an entire country’s economy be operated via bitcoin?

Who knows. We're not done experimenting with massive debt obligations and wanton gov't spending of fiat currencies yet.

[gretch6364]

I’m enjoying all the posters here that are calling for immediate military intervention. How many of you have been in combat? I know there’s a few including myself. I doubt that those calling for intervention have been in combat and won’t be heading over there if it comes to that.

Agreed. Jumping into a war with Russia is incredibly unwise. The biggest problem, IMHO, is Russia stands almost zero chance against the US in a traditional war. The US annual defense spending is more then 10 times what Russia has been spending. The US has 11 nuclear air craft carriers for fuck sake, plus subs, planes and drones...not to mention geographic isolation from Europe. Putin knows this, he will nuke US cities. What is happening to the Ukrainian people is freaking awful, but stepping in militarily to stop it is not worth millions of us citizens lives and large swaths of uninhabitable lands in North America.

Sorry, but I don't think it makes sense to risk nuclear war with Putin over the current situation in Ukraine.

Fuck Putin

[AK47bp]

Fuck Putin:
https://twitter.com/joelmgunter/stat...19377328504835

Just terrible.

I hope enough of these fighting age civilians survive the bombardments to maintain a vengeful insurgency.

“Rise up fallen fighters, rise and take your stance again, he who fight and run away, live to fight another day”

Heathen.

https://youtu.be/DipcpBDFU_8



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[ex-powderbroker]

Georgia to apply for EU membership tomorrow.

FUCK YOU PUTLER

[Timberridge]

The biggest problem, IMHO, is Russia stands almost zero chance against the US in a traditional war. The US annual defense spending is more then 10 times what Russia has been spending. The US has 11 nuclear air craft carriers for fuck sake, plus subs, planes and drones...not to mention geographic isolation from Europe.

And yet a bunch of Taliban with AK's and mortars held their ground for a decade + against both armies. A "modern" war, where you only try to eliminate the people shooting back at you and hard targets, is unwinnable.

Georgia to apply for EU membership tomorrow.

FUCK YOU PUTLER

If so, I'm guessing the approval will be delayed a bit.

I wonder how Bmills feels about this?

[Benny Profane]

Can an entire country’s economy be operated via bitcoin?

It was quite successful in Freedonia, I am told.

[Benny Profane]

And yet a bunch of Taliban with AK's and mortars held their ground for a decade + against both armies. A "modern" war, where you only try to eliminate the people shooting back at you and hard targets, is unwinnable.

Let's no forget aver a dozen suicidal maniacs killing over 3000 people in NYC armed with box cutters.

[LongShortLong]

I’m enjoying all the posters here that are calling for immediate military intervention. How many of you have been in combat? I know there’s a few including myself. I doubt that those calling for intervention have been in combat and won’t be heading over there if it comes to that.

Some have been intervening for decades. Read this ->

Posted by bike forun friends, likely posted here already but I have better things to do than scan 40 pages of Bunny Blather, DJG shit this morning


politico.com/world-war-iii-already-there

Combat extends far beyond the trench and bayonet. We have this illusion the front line is far away - the front line is everywhere. Putin's a bully. Don't fall for the DARVO shit.

eta: He's the same as Hitler and Hirohito. He's been fighting WWW3 for 2 decades already. We're losing

[BmillsSkier]

I wonder how Bmills feels about this?

I'm OK with it if it gets me easy access to the Alps.

[californiagrown]

Some have been intervening for decades. Read this ->

Combat extends far beyond the trench and bayonet. We have this illusion the front line is far away - the front line is everywhere. Putin's a bully. Don't fall for the DARVO shit.

I believe the point being made is that there is a vast ocean of terrible, awful difference between enduring some economic pain and suffering from sanctions blowback, compared to the absolute hell of intense war combat. People saying that gas prices so high they cant get to work, or will have to go hungry to pay bills, and those costs are unnacceptable, will then turnaround and support the US starting combat operations against Russia, etc.

Its a cognitive dissonance of the equating or inflating their experienced economic suffering to the suffering that would be experienced in combat against russia.

[LHutz Esq]

I wonder if the Russia's proposed "negotiations" (read surrender terms) will result in anything now.

Basically, if Ukraine negotiates something they can live with does the West just go ... ok back to the way things were a couple sanctions here, refuse to sell some Latvian produced Russian labeled vodka there, or do we agree that this fucker and his cronies need to continue to feel real economic pain?

If Ukraine is forced to surrender, (and I would not blame them one bit if they did - I am not the one getting bombed so have no right to judge) do we have to accept Russia back into the global community or are they North Korea now?

[fatnslow]

I wonder if the Russia's proposed "negotiations" (read surrender terms) will result in anything now.

Basically, if Ukraine negotiates something they can live with does the West just go ... ok back to the way things were a couple sanctions here, refuse to sell some Latvian produced Russian labeled vodka there, or do we agree that this fucker and his cronies need to continue to feel real economic pain?

If Ukraine is forced to surrender, (and I would not blame them one bit if they did - I am not the one getting bombed so have no right to judge) do we have to accept Russia back into the global community or are they North Korea now?

I think the real problem is Russia has a bit of leverage with Europe's massive dependency on their natural gas so some sort of a amicable solution would be ideal for everyone. One thing I know for sure is rich folks don't like losing money and when billionaires are looking at becoming millionaires things can change fast. In ANY country there are a group of people that can swing things quickly and it's not the plumbers union or the poor sap standing in line trying to withdraw a couple hundred rubles to get vodka and bread for the night.
How long Putin is around and what does the next guy look like is really the big question. We American's look at corruption very differently but in reality we just call it lobbying here.

[skaredshtles]

I’m enjoying all the posters here that are calling for immediate military intervention.

I've got 3 draft-aged men. Just one of the many reasons this whole thing dismays me...

[MTT]

And then theirs this

It doesn’t say anything to me about what is happening in Ukraine just makes me question anything on mass media. I did not run it down but when I do. It’s almost always true

[highangle]

And yet a bunch of Taliban with AK's and mortars held their ground for a decade + against both armies. A "modern" war, where you only try to eliminate the people shooting back at you and hard targets, is unwinnable.

Dam bro, are you completely unaware that the steppe of Eastern Europe is a quite different place than the Hindu Kush? And that Putin is launching katyushas at the First World rather than trying to democratize a 3rd World social space in a shitfinger tribal zone? fuck

[Hood26]

Absolutely historic GA Reso and Vote Strongly Condemns Russia. Only DPRK, Cuba, Syria, and Belarus voting against with Russia.

[CarlMega]

And then theirs this

Lulz. Ok. So what "legacy media" ran that image?

[riser4]

Erdogon is a shit-weasel.

Shit-weasels Randy, shit-weasels.

[riser4]

I think the real problem is Russia has a bit of leverage with Europe's massive dependency on their natural gas so some sort of a amicable solution would be ideal for everyone. One thing I know for sure is rich folks don't like losing money and when billionaires are looking at becoming millionaires things can change fast. In ANY country there are a group of people that can swing things quickly and it's not the plumbers union or the poor sap standing in line trying to withdraw a couple hundred rubles to get vodka and bread for the night.
How long Putin is around and what does the next guy look like is really the big question. We American's look at corruption very differently but in reality we just call it lobbying here.

Which is why most lobbying should be illegal.

[BC13]

Dam bro, are you completely unaware that the steppe of Eastern Europe is a quite different place than the Hindu Kush? And that Putin is launching katyushas at the First World rather than trying to democratize a 3rd World social space in a shitfinger tribal zone? fuck

I was an avid WWII buff growing up. I read everything I could get my hands on. When Russsia was allowed to go into Georgia, it made me think of Europes response to Hitler going into the Sudetland (none) Austria (none) and Poland (with the Russians!)( effectively none). Appeasement empowered Hitler. Nobody wanted war 20 years after WWI ended. Appeasement got them WWII.

I dont know what the answer is at this point. It appears Putin might have bitten off more than Russia can chew in Ukraine. Ukraine may bleed the Russian army and Putin's ability to stay in power.

Perhaps little green men is the way to go.

I am wondering if some of the west's standoff guided munitions can be fitted to the Soviet era aircraft the Ukraniand posess. That 40 mile russian convoy would be smoking char if the U.S.A could unleash the Apaches and A 10s along with a couple of B 52 flights standing off letting munitions fly.

Clearly the Ukranians dont have equipment to mimic A10s and Apaches, but do they have any old russian Bears that can be equipped to drop smart bombs from standoff positions? I doubt it, and the Bears are 65 or 70 year old prop planes that must make the easiest targets ever created for any anti air system. It just seems if the west could Jerry rig a couple of delivery wagons to offload 50 tons of munitions, it could really impact the next few weeks of this war.

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[ötzi]

I'd start duct taping pow's to lampposts in Kyiv and Kharkiv if it was me.

Reason # 453645 I'm not in charge.

[highangle]

Lulz. Ok. So what "legacy media" ran that image?

A quick DDG image search shows "World Socialist Web Site" dot org.


Even better question is who told the Judy Conway bot the second pic was Kyiv? I'm thinking it's the Judy Conway bot itself...