ON3P SKIS Discussion

[Viva]

On that note…

If anyone wants to sell a pair of Wren 96’s or 102’s in a 189cm I’d be interested.

I'll sell you my Wren 102 Tis from last season. 189 is too long for me. Drilled once for P14s at 327 BSL. Custom black top (to match my dark soul). I doubt that I skied these more that ten times.

While we are discussing wren 102s has anyone compared to mantra 102 or mindbender 99. Hopefully can justify picking up some new low tide sticks this summer.

Yeah, I bought the 99 Mindbender towards the end of last season. Skied it a few times at Wolfy. Very nice ski, but I prefer my 96 Wrens from two seasons ago. Now my 96 Wrens is special- no metal, but I ordered them with carbon stringers. So, not as heavy as Ti, but a wee bit more dampness than the standard. Fuckin' love these skies! The Mindbender did not out-perform them is any way, shape, or form. BTW, those mindbenders (186 cm?) are for sale, too.

[undertow2]

Any noticeable performance differences w the Ti? I also have 98s and 108s of the same generations and adore both. 102Ti curios.

D, so you have the 98 and 108 and are by far my favorite skis - just got back from a 3 day ski trip and only brought the 102tis - all I have to say is get it…. Fing off the charts…! Did not think I would find a ski better than the 108 and no comparison…. So calm and just skied everything better than the 98 and 108 - made skiing all conditions easy…. Get it…! I bought custom 102 Woods and it is a good ski and thought it would replace my 108s and the 102tis smoked’em…




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[mr_pretzel]

The new jeffrey110 is the best it has ever been. It is much more accepting of larger turns than previous generations and just trucks through stuff. Also floats extremely well for a 110. Scott nailed this one.

[sf]

After a proper tune the WD102s are skiing very well.

Easy going, poppy etc. Will update original review at some point, but this could very well be the Rustler 10.5 people are looking for.

Unless planning to ski park, don't size down on length or lay up

[Doremite]

D, so you have the 98 and 108 and are by far my favorite skis - just got back from a 3 day ski trip and only brought the 102tis - all I have to say is get it…. Fing off the charts…! Did not think I would find a ski better than the 108 and no comparison…. So calm and just skied everything better than the 98 and 108 - made skiing all conditions easy…. Get it…! I bought custom 102 Woods and it is a good ski and thought it would replace my 108s and the 102tis smoked’em…




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Not what I wanted to hear but thanks for the input. …..or is it????

[PeachesNCream]

The new jeffrey110 is the best it has ever been. It is much more accepting of larger turns than previous generations and just trucks through stuff. Also floats extremely well for a 110. Scott nailed this one.

Anyone been on the new 118? Same sort of updates/compliments?

[Norseman]

I didn't expect this but I'm gonna flip these new 192 goats. They turned out to be more than a slight beef-up of my beloved 191s and not quite what I was after.

The flatter tail makes em track straighter and faster. They would be better suited to a bigger guy on a bigger mountain.

Drilled once for Pivot/CAST @ 313mm. I'll get a FS ad up soon but send me a PM with early interest.

[Sessiøn]

Anyone been on the new 118? Same sort of updates/compliments?

I have owned the 118's since last spring. The way I described them is they truck, but they don't ski like a truck. Very nimble, but stable when you want to make long turns and go fast. Skied multiple legit waist deep days in conditions ranging from pure blower to cascade concrete. It's the best iteration of the widest ON3P jib/freestyle/twin ski so far.

[PeachesNCream]

I have owned the 118's since last spring. The way I described them is they truck, but they don't ski like a truck. Very nimble, but stable when you want to make long turns and go fast. Skied multiple legit waist deep days in conditions ranging from pure blower to cascade concrete. It's the best iteration of the widest ON3P jib/freestyle/twin ski so far.

Nice. How do they do when conditions aren't waist deep? Would you take them out when there's 6 inches? Looking at a 2 ski quiver in in north idaho with these and a DW104

Edit: I don't spin or flip but I like a playful ski

[Doremite]

I didn't expect this but I'm gonna flip these new 192 goats. They turned out to be more than a slight beef-up of my beloved 191s and not quite what I was after.

The flatter tail makes em track straighter and faster. They would be better suited to a bigger guy on a bigger mountain.

Drilled once for Pivot/CAST @ 313mm. I'll get a FS ad up soon but send me a PM with early interest.

Tragic

[Sessiøn]

Nice. How do they do when conditions aren't waist deep? Would you take them out when there's 6 inches? Looking at a 2 ski quiver in in north idaho with these and a DW104

Edit: I don't spin or flip but I like a playful ski

I would definitely ride them in 6 inches. And have. Again, super nimble for their size, but also very stable.

[ls13]

How do I know if I’m man enough to ski cat camo?
😼

[Ørion]

How do I know if I’m man enough to ski cat camo?
[emoji78]

Ride the cat camo skis and you'll become man enough

[carlh]

Dollars and mount on the cat camo wrens and the mindbenders?

[RudyGarmisch]

It may be February but there’s an early corn harvest in WA. Goat Tours were a pain in the ass cramponing up a narrow skin track but the corn slarving was fantastic.

[Muggydude]

Had my first day in the resort with my 184cm billygoat 108 tours. I’ve been on them a few days doing some mellow backcountry tours with the pup so far before this, where they did great (not too heavy on the up, great on the way down). Just haven’t skied much the last couple seasons.

But today I got to push them real hard in the resort. Pretty much soft groomers at steamboat, some good mogul runs too.

I was honestly surprise how well they did on groomers. Really liked short/shallow/quick turns and carves, and could slash and slide with ease. I did not really find their speed limit bombing down the steeper runs, much stabler than I thought they’d be. Bit of chatter on the few icy spots (my heavy core Praxis piste jibs definitely shined in comparison there), but also quite respectable regardless. Didn’t like to hold an edge as well as the piste jibs either, or certainly my old Brahmas, but I prefer to slide and slash a bit more than carve anyways.

Overall, they did way better in Resort than I expected, and way better on hardpack. Particularly for a 1800g ski at 108mm underfoot. I’m curious, are the new 182cm BGs actually 2cm shorter than my 184s, or just labeled differently now?


I’d bet the normal layup Billygoat 110 would be a great west coast one ski quiver.

[kid-kapow]

ain't that the truth . BG108tours are freaking great. I think they are the best slush ski I have been on, sooo much fun - true hero ski.

I’m curious, are the new 182cm BGs actually 2cm shorter than my 184s, or just labeled differently now?

The 182s are 179s that have grown 2 cm in the rockered section, 1 cm in the tails and like BG118s have the woodsman rocker lines. I like to think of the 187s as the "new" 184.

BG110s feel a bit different than BG108s due to increase in camber and shorter ee. I have yet to ski them in the conditions I bought mine for - spring corn/slush - so the direct comparison between BG108tours and BG110 stock layup will have to wait.

First impressions after a few days on the BG110s are that the fronts feel light and nimble, yet the tails are perhaps even more supportive than BG108tours. I found BG108tours to come alive when you attack and slash/slarve/skid your way down the mountain - something they do really, really, really well - and I kinda expect the 110s to ski somewhat similarly. I prefer BGasym 184s to BG110 182s in deeper fresh (duh) due to them being heavier and wider (more supportive tails to push against when doing flicks/slashes).

I've kinda been wondering if I should've gotten the BG110s in 187 (something I would have done had I know the +2/+1 thingy), or if that ski with their longer length together with increase in grip due to more camber and supportive flex would have been too much ski for me. I have no problems envisioning that BG110 187s can charge pretty damn hard off piste in shallow and variable, let alone 192s.

[Marko888]

I've kinda been wondering if I should've gotten the BG110s in 187 (something I would have done had I know the +2/+1 thingy), or if that ski with their longer length together with increase in grip due to more camber and supportive flex would have been too much ski for me. I have no problems envisioning that BG110 187s can charge pretty damn hard off piste in shallow and variable, let alone 192s.

I’ve got 8-10 days in on my stock layup 182 BG110’s and feel the same way… would have bought 187’s if I had known the stretched-179 thing…. This being said, I find them to be very similar to my 184 ASYM 116’s. Balance feels interchangeable so super easy to go back and forth. The 110 is much quicker, and is a joy in tight trees & fresh snow. I agree re the strong tail… my Woods102’s tails feel too soft in comparison. I notice the sweet spot is smaller when on the groom getting back to the lift but I can still go reasonably fast on them, but need to sort of ski them from the bindings back & not drive the shovel. My pair are pretty light at 2080/2105 grams…wish they were heavier. In lighter, non-maritime pow, I prefer the extra grip of the 110 tail over my ASYMS. The 184 is still king in heavier snow and chop…especially as it firms up, as the 110 gets pushed around more. For my skiing, I could likely consolidate to just the 110 in a 187…but I’d request the heaviest pair available. I think the stock 110 in a 187 would be golden.

[kid-kapow]

I’ve got 8-10 days in on my stock layup 182 BG110’s and feel the same way…

yeah, my experience thus far is more or less the same. I have not found the tails of the new Woods too soft, though to be fair - we've had so much good snow around my neck of the woods latelt that I have hardly skied them as of late.

As for the sizing thing, that was me being dumb and making assumptions (sizes shifting down, not up). I should have just asked Iggy how the new sizing worked out before ordering.

Also, that means that the shorter length - 177 - ought to be fairly approachable for shorter and lighter riders, with the rounder flexed and much lighter tour version being even more approachable (for those who want a BG118 for their significant other).

I have found BG118 182s to be pretty easy going, even if they have the more supportive tails on harder snow. BGasyms are still a fair bit stiffer throughout. BG118 182s are noticably more easygoing than BGasyms 184s, especially during slarves. I find that my lesser weight and puny strength mean that I have to be mindful of keeping the asyms going downhill at the end of the slarve - if not the shovels/RES section will engange too much and my puny strength will not be able to keep them in the slarve aka not something to do when I am tired. Whereas BG118's softer rockered setions make them able to slarve for however long you want them to. Both ski great, just a bit differently - though I suspect that is mainly a sizing thing, not asym vs non-asym+less tail splay differences.

[Muggydude]

Good stuff. I thought the 184cm length was perfect for me, I’m about 5’10 215lbs these days (pandemic wasn’t the most kind haha). I find I’m gravitating back towards the low 180 range these days as far as favorite ski sizes. 182cm Praxis Quixote, 184cm Praxis Piste Jibs, 184cm BG108T. Still have my big boy sticks for deep days, 191 C&D, 191 Praxis Lhasa Pows, 189 Kusalas


Overall it makes my life way easier that they’re so good in resort, I live out in NorCal now (don’t even talk to me about the season Tahoe is having) - so I have left my two-ski touring setup (184 BG108T and Praxis/PM Gear UL Veneer Kusalas) behind in Denver with my family. With my Frankentour bindings (let’s me use Attack Demos on the down, and plum toe pieces only (+ risers) on the way up) - I truly can use both the skis as an excellent backcountry two-ski quiver, and when just using the full attack bindings they’re quite good in resort.

Hawx Prime XTDs with intuition tour liners round out the perfect 50/50 setup for me. Don’t have to bring boots, skis, or poles when I fly out here to ski [emoji108]


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[DumbIdeasOnly]

Heads up here in case of interest to someone, I finally got a day on my 2019-2020 Cease and Desists earlier this season. While they are definitely good skis, I didn't love them as much as I had hoped I would in open terrain with clean pow. They are going on gear swap and I'll post pics there later tonight, one mount for STH2 bindings at a 325 bsl. Edges/bases etc minty as you would expect (pictures will be posted).

Edit: 189 length

[Marko888]

I’m 5’-10” 188#… I think a fair bit heavier than kid-kapow… thus my different observations re 182 Woodsman102 feeling soft in the tails.

[Ørion]

Wife was jealous of my ON3Ps and I ended up snagging a screaming deal on a used pair of 2019 Jessies.

Looks like the previous (2nd) owner moved the toes back but kept the heels in place from the first mount. After adjusting to fit my wife's boots, she's about 2.5cm back from the recommended line.

For those with Jessie (or, presumably, Jeffrey) knowledge, how would one expect that to affect the experience?

She's no park rat and never rides switch, just appreciates a looser feel than dedicated carvers and wanted more weight underfoot that her lightweight Armada Victa 93s. "Worst" case scenario is a remount, which obviously isn't the end of the world, but she's eager to try them out and I don't want to have her accidentally hate them simply due to the current mount.

[kid-kapow]

Looks like the previous (2nd) owner moved the toes back but kept the heels in place from the first mount. After adjusting to fit my wife's boots, she's about 2.5cm back from the recommended line.

For those with Jessie (or, presumably, Jeffrey) knowledge, how would one expect that to affect the experience?

If we are talking in terms of movement from recommended, my fully-comfortable-if-it-fits-your-style would be:

Jeffrey/Jessie = +/- 2cm (a ton of people are skiing Jeffreys +4cm which pains me)

2.5cm - aka 5mm aft of the rrecommended range - or or so behind the line is not going to ruin the ski, even if they will probably ski even better mounted slightly closer to center.

I would give it a go and if she kinda likes em at -2.5 then perhaps remount them within the range, if she loves them - keep as is. If she hates them, remount then too

[PeachesNCream]

Wife was jealous of my ON3Ps and I ended up snagging a screaming deal on a used pair of 2019 Jessies.

Looks like the previous (2nd) owner moved the toes back but kept the heels in place from the first mount. After adjusting to fit my wife's boots, she's about 2.5cm back from the recommended line.

For those with Jessie (or, presumably, Jeffrey) knowledge, how would one expect that to affect the experience?

She's no park rat and never rides switch, just appreciates a looser feel than dedicated carvers and wanted more weight underfoot that her lightweight Armada Victa 93s. "Worst" case scenario is a remount, which obviously isn't the end of the world, but she's eager to try them out and I don't want to have her accidentally hate them simply due to the current mount.

Jefferys have a large sweet spot. Before the woodsman, many people rode jefferys mounted back. Similar to her, I don't ski switch but like a loose playful ski. I've got demo bindings on my jefferys and liked them at -2, I prefer on the line but if an existing mount was there I'd be happy with that as well and many people prefer mounted back. I'd let her try them at the existing mount before remounting