The TGR Skinny Ski Ski Tourers' Refuge Thread

[Tjaardbreeuwer]

Agree on Telemark Pyrenees. Real skiers, ship fast.
Not so sure on Trekinn. Have read several hoort stories about stuff not shipping or shipping wrong, and then no, or poor, response from customer service.

Still, a U spring seems low risk.

[hick]

Ok, I’ll give TP or Snowinn a try. Thanks for the feedback!


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[Jonathan S.]

Did you try Black Diamond?

[hick]

Did you try Black Diamond?

Didn’t call just checked on pro form and they’re website and they weren’t showing any. I’ll give them a call.


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[Jonathan S.]

The complete spare parts list is far more extensive than any order forms.

[Westcoaster]

Figured this is as good a place as any here to ask where folks are having luck finding replacement U springs for ATK Trofeo/ (BD 145) bindings. Looking for a steel 10 din spring. Hoping to find some state side and not have to order from Snowinn or TP. Not seeing them listed at Skimo, but I’ll give them a call also.


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spyderjon.

[CirqueScaler]

I was able to remount Dynafit Blacklight 88 (172) and Movement Alp Tracks 89 (169) for my boots today. Both are mounted +1 due to hole conflicts/resale considerations. Will be able to test them in the next few weeks, and I'm very excited. Comparison of their shape and mounts; the arrow on the Alp Tracks is the boot center.



Blacklights with Hagan Ultra WC (ATK SL World Cup) from stuntedalbatross (thank u!!) weigh 1319g
Alp Tracks with Helio 110 (ATK SL Lightweight World Cup) weigh 1230g

Not quite sure how to orient my quiver. The Voile Hyperchargers have been fantastic for tight trees and open faces both. Previously I had sort of oriented my quiver as race/spring/"daily driver"/powder, but I'm not sure what "daily driver" would entail. I was kicking around the idea of separating a quiver into (For Utah): race, spring, steep/stable powder, and low-angle powder.

[timmaio]

Blacklights with Hagan Ultra WC (ATK SL World Cup) from stuntedalbatross (thank u!!) weigh 1319g
Alp Tracks with Helio 110 (ATK SL Lightweight World Cup) weigh 1230g

FYI I don't think you are correct about those being SL Lightweight. The Lightweight version have a milled down U spring to get a lighter release value and I don't know any companies rebranding those particular versions. Also the picture seems to show a full strength U spring

[CirqueScaler]

FYI I don't think you are correct about those being SL Lightweight. The Lightweight version have a milled down U spring to get a lighter release value and I don't know any companies rebranding those particular versions. Also the picture seems to show a full strength U spring

Hmmm, that's interesting. I was just going off the pics on the ATK website and could only discern the rolling u-spring vs. a non-rolling u-spring. Do you have any pics of the SL Lightweight? I just have the bog standard Helio 110s.

[Jonathan S.]

FYI I don't think you are correct about those being SL Lightweight. The Lightweight version have a milled down U spring to get a lighter release value and I don't know any companies rebranding those particular versions. Also the picture seems to show a full strength U spring

Hmmm, that's interesting. I was just going off the pics on the ATK website and could only discern the rolling u-spring vs. a non-rolling u-spring. Do you have any pics of the SL Lightweight? I just have the bog standard Helio 110s.

The current version of the SL Lightweight has the rolling-in springs. Aside from the graphics and the lower-release/retention heel springs, exactly the same as the regular SL World Cup.

Agreed on the lack of any rebranding of that model variation.
But if looking to buy new or retrofit an older binding, can achieve the same combo on your own:
https://www.haganskimountaineering.c...o-race-binding
https://www.haganskimountaineering.c...ling-in-system
(The retrofitting is not technically demanding, yet is a little annoying. To provide a little bit of "encouragement" for the new springs, I used my grandfather's upholstery hammer, which also sees a lot of duty to leverage -- but not whack! -- binding toe pieces that might be a little skewed before the final torqueing.)

[Tailwind]

Not to abuse the ‘cross post’ but I posted a pair of k2 Wayback 88’s with skins in gear swap that only have a handful of days from when I purchased them last April. Asking $375 plus shipping for the skis and K2 Branded Pomocas. Might be a good setup for someone following this thread or a friend who only has wide get you’re trying to push toward a skinny setup.

They show as 1340 on my scale which is pretty solid for a 181cm that skis well.

[John_B]

Does anyone know what type of Pomoca skins those K2 skins are? I just got a set and am idly curious.

[Tailwind]

It’s a 70-30 blend. I’m not sure of the exact coatings but something like the climb pro-s but likely missing some of the ‘super’ coatings. So maybe just the climb pro?

Does anyone know what type of Pomoca skins those K2 skins are? I just got a set and am idly curious.

[CirqueScaler]

It’s a 70-30 blend. I’m not sure of the exact coatings but something like the climb pro-s but likely missing some of the ‘super’ coatings. So maybe just the climb pro?

Skimoco Q&A seems to indicate they are the climb pro 2.0. For what it's worth, they look exactly like the Voile skins, and neither company is particularly associated with that green color, so they could be the same. Skimoco Q&A on the Voile skins says they're most similar to the free pro 1.0 or the same "like s-glide but without the glide coating." Seems that the glide coating is a bit overblown. I had a day on like new s-glides last night. Grip well, I think better than old climb pro 2.0s I use on other skis. Both have comparable glide, although I could see the s-glides new being a bit better.

I really find the Pomoca skin lineup very confusing.

[John_B]

Skimoco Q&A seems to indicate they are the climb pro 2.0. For what it's worth, they look exactly like the Voile skins, and neither company is particularly associated with that green color, so they could be the same. Skimoco Q&A on the Voile skins says they're most similar to the free pro 1.0 or the same "like s-glide but without the glide coating." Seems that the glide coating is a bit overblown. I had a day on like new s-glides last night. Grip well, I think better than old climb pro 2.0s I use on other skis. Both have comparable glide, although I could see the s-glides new being a bit better.

I really find the Pomoca skin lineup very confusing.

Thanks for the explanation. That was a headache trying to figure out the Pomoca versions.

[NorCalNomad]

I'm in! Span both sides from heavy af inbounds to skimo toothpicks. Don't worry the frame bindings on enforcers was not something I put on there and only ever gone uphill with them once about 10 years ago.

[tgapp]

I'm in. Span both sides from heavy af inbounds to skimo toothpicks. [emoji3]

I should take a quiver pic but that's my attitude as well. Everything from heavy AF rigs to (not-quite-skimo) 1kg setups.

I find that in perfect snow, light skis are a blast. But I also find that in perfect snow, wider skis are a mega blast.

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[jacob_dbu]

I'm in! Span both sides from heavy af inbounds to skimo toothpicks. Don't worry the frame bindings on enforcers was not something I put on there and only ever gone uphill with them once about 10 years ago.

Are those WOVN skis?

[Benneke10]

You guys like Wovns? Here's my new pair

[NorCalNomad]

Are those WOVN skis?

Yup, two pairs! Got them last season from Peter selling off some blems/ protos pre them setting up the WOVN name. The skimo race skis are awesome, and fell way more confidence inspiring (much larger "sweet spot" for moving your weight fore-aft) on the way down than my old s-labs did.

[CirqueScaler]

Double wovn guy goddamn found the new thread chad-in-chief.

[CirqueScaler]

Also, I skied Movement Alp Tracks 89 for the first time last night. A little preliminary, but probably my favorite ski I've skied! Preliminary review:

Skied the 169 cm, black + metallic silver colorway (pic above). I am 5'8" and 150 lbs. F1 LT. Intermediate-advanced skier, self-taught. Skiing 4" of fluff on top of a soft, dense base, 10* - 35* trees. Pretty good snow, but definitely had the opportunity to ski bad snow and go over tracks as well. I mounted +1 because of hole conflicts.

- Very easy to ski. I've been having a ton of fun on my Voile Hyperchargers and the characterization that has been developing in my mind is "point and shoot." I go where I want to go with the turn shape that I want to use. Same with the Alp Tracks, and I'm pretty sure even better! The phrase in my mind last night was "you think and you're there." Not sure how to express this, but all of the things I try to do to be a good skier: staying centered; flicking my weight side to side over the ski; keeping my feet closer together in soft snow; keeping my hands in front and not overrotating... it was just a lot easier to do all of those things last night than I've ever felt before.

- Not just damp for the weight but oddly smooth for the weight. I have Aski Stealths, which I would consider "damp for the weight" (certainly damper than the other race ski I've skied, which was the red/white Hagan X-Race). For those skis, they are damp, but they are still light skis. Impacts feel deadened - like the first time I rode 25mm road bike tires at 100 psi vs. 23mm tires at 120 psi - but the tips still skate around because they don't have mass. On hard, chopped, icy groomer, I've tried to compensate for this by getting forward on the ski, which the Askis can take, but it still skates around. Intimidating at speed. I felt the same with the Backland 78 non-UL... skiing chop was just really difficult because you'd get bucked around so much.

The Alp Tracks are NOT that way. I skied over tracked powder, snowmobile tracks, and exit luge, and on all of those surfaces, the Alp Tracks surprised me by how non-jittery they were. There was a point at which I got into some heinous West-facing, frozen, semi-breakable crust. On some skis, I would feel like I'm clinging to my edge and my balance for dear life, and while it wasn't fun on the AT89, it didn't feel "dangerous" in the same way.

- Very large sweet spot and easy to stay balanced. I think I'm a decent skier, but I know I'm not the best. Not a ski racer! Self taught! I could control these skis easily when backseat (something I appreciate in the hyperchargers), and it was easy to get back to center.

- Great energy out of the turns and really quick edge-to-edge.

- Makes a variety of turn shapes. On different laps, I both put down wiggles and opened it up to arc down the slope. We weren't skiing anything too steep, and I'm not making a freeride video anytime soon, but I did not feel like the 17m radius held me back, and the ski was damp and smooth enough to withstand the speed.

- One deficiency I've noticed in my hyperchargers is that at times I'll hit something with the tips and the front will just buckle. I'm not sure if it's a problem with the ski or if I'm somehow blowing through my boot, but I'll get thrown off balance and pushed forward. Usually fine - I'll get back on top of the ski - but it's a little disconcerting. In places where I would have expected that to happen on my hyperchargers, it did not happen on the AT 89.

- All of this added up to: very confidence inspiring! I felt so comfortable on the ski within just a few turns. There was one point on my third run when I got bucked a little and was midair, but I felt totally serene when off-balance and was somehow confident that I could bring my balance back to center... and I did without trouble.

[NorCalNomad]

No one else that I'm aware of makes a stretchy power strap except Atomic. There was a recent Blister podcast with onenerdykid and he said Booster had some kind of patent that just expired, so Atomic is just now releasing their stretchy strap, but its super bulky and not appropriate for touring.

These are what you want, not stretchy but really nice, thin material with a cam strap https://skimo.co/dynafit-power-straps

Bit of a thread dig but @NFFlow Scarpa makes a Velcro stretch strap and I have one on my first gen Atomic Backlands and makes the boots feel WAY better. I'm honestly not too sold on static cam straps as it feels like the small tail on the webbing isn't enough purchase to really get proper tightness.

I need to dig around at work and see if there is any burly elastic around and make an elastic strap with a cam that has a good pull tab at the end of the static webbing.

[NWFlow]

Thanks! I'm going to maybe try just trimming some old boosters as well.

We'll see

[I've seen black diamonds!]

Stretchy power strap:

https://www.voile.com/voile-straps-2...xl-series.html

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