It's hotter than a whore house on nickel night

[Marshall Tucker]

all things considered, it ain't been too bad here in the southeast. Regular rains are keeping the temps down I guess. I seen it much worse this time of year.

[XXX-er]

Climat change in the wine making industry is google worthy cuz when climate is too hot what end up getting growed is cough syrup

Consider a 200 yr old winery in a region in France is only allowed to grow the grape their region is famous for

eg: champagne grapes have to be grown in champagne for the wine to be called champagne and those grapes may no longer work

problems

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Climat change in the wine making industry is google worthy cuz when climate is too hot what end up getting growed is cough syrup

Consider a 200 yr old winery in a region in France is only allowed to grow the grape their region is famous for

eg: champagne grapes have to be grown in champagne for the wine to be called champagne and those grapes may no longer work

problems

Oh, I thought we were talking about the heat in the inland NW and it’s impact on the vineyards here.


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[The AD]

Consider a 200 yr old winery in a region in France is only allowed to grow the grape their region is famous for

You sure about that?

[TahoeJ]

Most of the vineyards in WA are in the hottest and driest part of the state. I don’t think the grapes will suffer too much, it’s not much hotter than normal.

This. Northern California and central France are both pretty hot climates. Earlier in this thread when I talked about golfing in 114 degree weather... that was in Sonoma. Right down the road from a shit ton of grapes used for sparkling.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

This. Northern California and central France are both pretty hot climates. Earlier in this thread when I talked about golfing in 114 degree weather... that was in Sonoma. Right down the road from a shit ton of grapes used for sparkling.

What’s funny is that most wine grapes grown in CA are in the Central Valley where it’s even hotter.


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[Buster Highmen]

You sure about that?

Yup. Read about AOC (Appelation Originale Controlee)

[neufox47]

What’s funny is that most wine grapes grown in CA are in the Central Valley where it’s even hotter.


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Yea but most of that is for <$10 a bottle wine. Napa is Napa in part due to its warm days and cool nights. Too many days of super hot and warm nights will spoil a harvest. Grapes ripen too quickly and end up too jammy. Without fog it is difficult to grow a high end Pinot. Those are some of the ways climate change is impacting wine making.

30 years from now Vancouver Island might be the prime Pinot spot.

[Buster Highmen]

Regions where pinot noir is grown are threatened by climate change.

Cotes des Nuits in the Cotes d'Or in Burgundy, France for example, where it's warm, but not 110 warm, is where Romanee Conti is grown and bottled and sold at $10000+ a bottle.
No fog there.
Littorai, Kistler, Peay and Hirsch are close to the coast and rely on a temperate clime.

Sauternes relies on botrytis fogs along the Garonne in Bordeaux.

It's not volume that matters, but type.


Don’t think the future looks bleak under current climate change scenarios? Maybe this will change your mind. Imagine grabbing a bottle of red Burgundy, and instead of Pinot Noir, it was made from Mourvedre and Grenache. You travel toward the coast—Bordeaux—hoping to find an intense red made from Cabernet Sauvignon and Merlot. Nope. Just more Mourvedre. A new study released this week suggests this tale could become fact, not a mix of science fiction and horror, as increasing temperatures may force winemaking regions to swap grape varieties to combat vineyard losses....

For instance, in Burgundy, laws dictate that Pinot Noir is the primary grape, so a future of Mourvedre would require more than just planting new vines.


https://www.foodandwine.com/news/win...undy-mourvedre

[liv2ski]

Yea but most of that is for <$10 a bottle wine.

Nope, some of my favorite reds are grown where the days can be damn hot. I had a wine guy at a tasting room tell me the hot days made the grapes load up on sugar to produce the jammy fruit forward wines I like. Drink a bottle of Tobin James Fat Boy and you will see what I mean. Jack Creek to the west grows some of the best Pinot & Syrah grapes/wine I have ever had. O and this ain't 2 buck chuck pricing.

[The AD]

Yup. Read about AOC (Appelation Originale Controlee)

I thought that dictated geographic region of origin rather than variety of grape grown?

Edit: I stand corrected

There are a series of rules and regulations that go along with being classified as an AOC wine. This includes restrictions as to the specific geological area where the fruit is grown and the wine was made; along with the type of allowable grape variety planted in the vineyard.

https://www.thewinecellarinsider.com...pellation-law/

[Buster Highmen]

I thought that dictated geographic region of origin rather than variety of grape grown?

See my previous post above. Pinot noir is the specified grape for bourgogne rouge, village rouge, premier cru rouge and grand cru rouge.

Other grapes can be grown, but they can't be called these names.

I still am not drinking any fucking merlot.

[The AD]

Got it. The vintner can grow whatever grapes he/she desires, but to be labeled per AOC it needs to conform to those regulations, which may specify varietal(s) allowed.

[Buster Highmen]

Got it. The vintner can grow whatever grapes he/she desires, but to be labeled per AOC it needs to conform to those regulations, which may specify varietal(s) allowed.

Yup.
Anyway, those that follow wine writing are pretty familiar with the topic of climate change and effects on historic wine regions like burgundy, bordeaux, rhone, chateauneuf dp, sauternes, champagne, barolo, brunello, etc.

To think that CA & Oregon wines are exempt from the effect is mundus vult decepi.

[ntblanks]

I still am not drinking any fucking merlot.

ha.

even as one of three grapes in a claret?

[AK47bp]

Great raisin making weather though.


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[dan_pdx]

I've heard that some of the Oregon pinot growers are switching parts of their vineyards to syrah, which prefers warmer temps, and planting pinot on hillsides or other places they can find a cooler microclimate. Not great given that we're most known for pinots.

If we're going to have more of these Las Vegas summers, the PNW is not as attractive as it used to be.

[Buster Highmen]

ha.

even as one of three grapes in a claret?

Nope.
Never did it for me, even in Chateau Margaux or Lafite. Never had a Petrus or Le Pin though.

[PNWbrit]

If we're going to have more of these Las Vegas summers, the PNW is not as attractive as it used to be.

Talking of Vegas. It's likely that the PNW will break the Vegas all time high temperature of 117 today. Which is nearly unbelievable to contemplate.

[Buster Highmen]

I've heard that some of the Oregon pinot growers are switching parts of their vineyards to syrah, which prefers warmer temps, and planting pinot on hillsides or other places they can find a cooler microclimate. Not great given that we're most known for pinots.

Fucking travesty

[TahoeJ]

Yup.
Anyway, those that follow wine writing are pretty familiar with the topic of climate change and effects on historic wine regions like burgundy, bordeaux, rhone, chateauneuf dp, sauternes, champagne, barolo, brunello, etc.

To think that CA & Oregon wines are exempt from the effect is mundus vult decepi.

Oh it's definitely an issue. I was just saying super hot days aren't really the biggest issue for grapes - we've always had those. Frankly, right now it's the lack of water / drought that's more of a concern. That and smoke taint.

[refried]

72* with a slight breeze right now, the closest weather station is 68*, it's still hot in the sun but bearable in the shade. I put a big umbrella from my rafting gear over the (now cool) hot tub so it's useable during the day again (who the fuck thought a black hot tub was a good idea?).

[Buster Highmen]

Oh it's definitely an issue. I was just saying super hot days aren't really the biggest issue for grapes - we've always had those. Frankly, right now it's the lack of water / drought that's more of a concern. That and smoke taint.

You can disagree with what I've read regarding heat and grapes.

I mean, 90F - 100F isn't uncommon in burgundy for example, but it's not sustained. If it were sustained, my understanding, like in the article linked above, is that it will end the type of grape and wines produced in those regions.

Imagining American pinot regions to be an exception is our exceptionalism.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Yup.
Anyway, those that follow wine writing are pretty familiar with the topic of climate change and effects on historic wine regions like burgundy, bordeaux, rhone, chateauneuf dp, sauternes, champagne, barolo, brunello, etc.

To think that CA & Oregon wines are exempt from the effect is mundus vult decepi.

Except you can grow any vine in the US wherever. They’re not bound by some archaic old world law. So you can choose the place for a varietal that’s best suited for it. It’s really just snobbery. It’s not exceptionalism in this case


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[Buster Highmen]

Except you can grow any vine in the US wherever. They’re not bound by some archaic old world law. So you can choose the place for a varietal that’s best suited for it. It’s really just snobbery. It’s not exceptionalism in this case

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You can have your snoots about aging your firewood. But here. you're really out of your element, assholery aside.

You can't grow any vine where ever.
The point is that the places that used to grow grapes in a particular way may no longer be able to.